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Weber State hires a high school coach?

Griz til I die said:
Still though. Zero collegiate coaching experience at any level of College Football? The guy has spent his entire career coaching high school. And now he's a D1 head coach? Imagine if the Griz hired a guy like this. We'd be having the biggest meltdown anyone has ever seen.
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I guess it shows the difference between programs. So if it does work, you think the Griz should consider HS coaches moving forward?
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
I guess it shows the difference between programs. So if it does work, you think the Griz should consider HS coaches moving forward?
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No I don't think the Griz should ever consider it regardless of how it goes for Weber. Unlike Weber where he will probably be given some runway, UM has zero runway. It's the ultimate pressure cooker of a job. Plus what high school coach in MT would even be worthy of a look for the job? There aren't any. I guess if Weber wants to take that risk then fine, let them. UM is a completely different job.
 
Griz til I die said:
No I don't think the Griz should ever consider it regardless of how it goes for Weber. Unlike Weber where he will probably be given some runway, UM has zero runway. It's the ultimate pressure cooker of a job. Plus what high school coach in MT would even be worthy of a look for the job? There aren't any. I guess if Weber wants to take that risk then fine, let them. UM is a completely different job.
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Why would it be limited to a Montana high school?
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
So?
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So at least from a player development perspective there isn’t a reason to take a coach from a big shot high school particularly one that already has experience recruiting. Scheme and strength and conditioning are probably on a different level in college but he can make sure to hire a good staff of assistants to handle that.
 
Griz til I die said:
What high school coach in America would you consider a good hire for the Griz?
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Someone from an area with more high school talent than Montana such as Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, LA or Phoenix would probably be more useful from a talent recruiting perspective using their connections.
 
5280Griz said:
So at least from a player development perspective there isn’t a reason to take a coach from a big shot high school particularly one that already has experience recruiting. Scheme and strength and conditioning are probably on a different level in college but he can make sure to hire a good staff of assistants to handle that.
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What does that have to do with you prior comment?
 
Cowboys84 said:
A zero percent chance, but a name to throw out there is Steve steele, he has led his team to 7 state consecutive titles and has a head coaching job in his past in the NAIA..
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South Dakota doesn’t have as much football talent to get from connections from other high schools as a lot of other states.
 
SinCityGriz2005 said:
I know I'm getting trolled for this one. We are all pretty savvy on here. The "traditional" path is usually
High‑school coach to small‑college Head/Asst Head coach (or successful Division II/III) to FCS/FBS head coach.

Gus Malzahn won state titles at two Arkansas high schools, then became a college coordinator and then head coach at Arkansas State, and finally Auburn.

Art Briles was a high school assistant HC at two high schools, then head coach at three more, including Stephenville (home to Tarleton) before becoming a college assistant and then head coach at Houston and Baylor.

Chad Morris coached at five different high schools, including again, Stephenville, before moving up to a college assistant and then head coach at SMU and Arkansas

The list goes on, Chip Kelly, Lovie Smith, Doug Pederson, Tommy Tuberville, Urban Meyer, Bill Snyder, Paul Johnson.

We could argue that the scale and complexity of college staffs, recruiting, roster management, compliance, and media obligations are far larger and more specialized than typical high‑school programs, but the national powerhouse high schools are anything but typical.

They recruit. They have big staffs, media obligations, travel, NIL.

Also, while typical high‑school records don’t translate cleanly against the FCS level opponents, it could be argued they could stack up against most D2, and definitely D3, NAIA, and JUCO levels.

Finally, in today's high school football landscape, coaches are exposed to the same issues as college coaches now. They have to be able to game plan for nationally ranked teams, travel across the United States several times, again, they have to deal with recruiting, NIL (see Ohio and the court cases here) nd high‑level staff management because the people sending their kids to these schools are highly visible people (Snoop and Bishop Gorman for one example, Spencer Rattler & Netflix, Etc).

High School football in Montana is still an amateur game. You go outside of Montana and it's a big business with millions of dollars involved. Look at Mater Dei, Bishop Gorman, De La Salle, Westlake, IMG, Don Bosco, Buford, Katy, St. Thomas Aquinas, Edna Karr, and Dematha just to name a few (I'm a nerd. I love following high school football too).

You don't think the people who helped to build the 2 Billion Katy ISD stadium, don't have those teams interests and success in mind? C'mon man.

Deion Sanders started at Katy before going to an FCS school. Yeah you can say well, he's Deion and played in the NFL. So did a lot of other players but they aren't coaching in the Big12 two stops later are they? (even if he sucks).

Let's see how the guy does. I wish him the best of luck against everyone but UM.
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Sin city hit this out of the park! Some of these high school coaches are dealing with more talent, NIL money and travel then some bottom tier FCS schools. The jump isn't what it used to be.
 
SinCityGriz2005 said:
I know I'm getting trolled for this one. We are all pretty savvy on here. The "traditional" path is usually
High‑school coach to small‑college Head/Asst Head coach (or successful Division II/III) to FCS/FBS head coach.

Gus Malzahn won state titles at two Arkansas high schools, then became a college coordinator and then head coach at Arkansas State, and finally Auburn.

Art Briles was a high school assistant HC at two high schools, then head coach at three more, including Stephenville (home to Tarleton) before becoming a college assistant and then head coach at Houston and Baylor.

Chad Morris coached at five different high schools, including again, Stephenville, before moving up to a college assistant and then head coach at SMU and Arkansas

The list goes on, Chip Kelly, Lovie Smith, Doug Pederson, Tommy Tuberville, Urban Meyer, Bill Snyder, Paul Johnson.

We could argue that the scale and complexity of college staffs, recruiting, roster management, compliance, and media obligations are far larger and more specialized than typical high‑school programs, but the national powerhouse high schools are anything but typical.

They recruit. They have big staffs, media obligations, travel, NIL.

Also, while typical high‑school records don’t translate cleanly against the FCS level opponents, it could be argued they could stack up against most D2, and definitely D3, NAIA, and JUCO levels.

Finally, in today's high school football landscape, coaches are exposed to the same issues as college coaches now. They have to be able to game plan for nationally ranked teams, travel across the United States several times, again, they have to deal with recruiting, NIL (see Ohio and the court cases here) nd high‑level staff management because the people sending their kids to these schools are highly visible people (Snoop and Bishop Gorman for one example, Spencer Rattler & Netflix, Etc).

High School football in Montana is still an amateur game. You go outside of Montana and it's a big business with millions of dollars involved. Look at Mater Dei, Bishop Gorman, De La Salle, Westlake, IMG, Don Bosco, Buford, Katy, St. Thomas Aquinas, Edna Karr, and Dematha just to name a few (I'm a nerd. I love following high school football too).

You don't think the people who helped to build the 2 Billion Katy ISD stadium, don't have those teams interests and success in mind? C'mon man.

Deion Sanders started at Katy before going to an FCS school. Yeah you can say well, he's Deion and played in the NFL. So did a lot of other players but they aren't coaching in the Big12 two stops later are they? (even if he sucks).

Let's see how the guy does. I wish him the best of luck against everyone but UM.
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2 more schools to add to this list are Hamilton and Chandler High School. Both are public high schools in Chandler a few miles apart on Arizona Avenue. Both schools could compete with any high school in America public or private in any given year.
 
Griz til I die said:
Still though. Zero collegiate coaching experience at any level of College Football? The guy has spent his entire career coaching high school. And now he's a D1 head coach? Imagine if the Griz hired a guy like this. We'd be having the biggest meltdown anyone has ever seen.
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Agreed. But our bar is much, MUCH higher.
 
For years, people in Minnesota wanted Mike Grant, the son of legendary NFL Vikings HC Bud Grant and, HC of Eden Prairie High School in Minnesota, where he has won 12 state titles and has 400+ wins, to be hired as the HC of the Minnesota Golden Gophers. This was back before all of the media and NIL and staffs of 40+. It all ended when Mike Grant said that he didn't want the job because it was far more complex than being a high school coach. Granted Minnesota is in the Big Ten but at the time it was only the Big Ten not the Big 18 it is now with it's own TV network. I'm not saying it can't work but it's a higher bar to go from being a high school HC to a college HC. High school HC is like being a regional director of an enterprise. College HC is like being the CEO an enterprise.
 
GriznMN said:
For years, people in Minnesota wanted Mike Grant, the son of legendary NFL Vikings HC Bud Grant and, HC of Eden Prairie High School in Minnesota, where he has won 12 state titles and has 400+ wins, to be hired as the HC of the Minnesota Golden Gophers. This was back before all of the media and NIL and staffs of 40+. It all ended when Mike Grant said that he didn't want the job because it was far more complex than being a high school coach. Granted Minnesota is in the Big Ten but at the time it was only the Big Ten not the Big 18 it is now with it's own TV network. I'm not saying it can't work but it's a higher bar to go from being a high school HC to a college HC. High school HC is like being a regional director of an enterprise. College HC is like being the CEO an enterprise.
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Using your analogy, I would say some of the more successful HS coaches who jumped immediately to college HCs are like unicorns. But, sometimes, unicorns exist. Some people are just built different. Denny Washington wasn't some brilliant business mind. He WAS gifted at finding the best talent and built his empire on them. Look at Bill Gates, Henry Ford, Zuckerberg, Dell, Jobs, and to think out of the Billions of people on this earth, these people should not have been successful, but they were. I am interested to see how he does, and tbh I hope he is crazy successful, except against UM.
 
I have friends that coach in UT and this guy is legit awesome. He will hire some experienced staff members and do just fine in a couple of years. He will get some really good UT kids that should go somewhere else and make Weebs respectable again soon.
 
Griz til I die said:
Still though. Zero collegiate coaching experience at any level of College Football? The guy has spent his entire career coaching high school. And now he's a D1 head coach? Imagine if the Griz hired a guy like this. We'd be having the biggest meltdown anyone has ever seen.
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this is true. If it was UM, I am certain there would be more than one stroke or aneurysm.
 
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