Wayne Tankle - Once again people, not head coaching material

[colsteveaustin]

I am eagerly awaiting your response.

This one is easily and quite readily answered - particularly if you are honest with yourself. Do you think that Huse would be sitting at 7-11 with the same group? Absolutely no chance.

Tankle has clearly lost the players, has proven that he cannot manage a game nor an overall program construct, and has simply been the beneficiary of all of those parasitic years. He will continue to put Montana basketball in the can, just as I predicted some time ago. Results matter. Tankle does not produce them.

If you feel the need to defend a coach who clearly is in over his head please do so. However, when he is sitting at the bottom of the standings once again next year perhaps even you will finally realize that the "thanks for the service" experiment was woefully conceived from its inception.

 

[griz8791]

. . . has simply been the beneficiary of all of those parasitic years. . .

Parasitic? Wouldn't it be enough just to ask if the results show he's the right guy for the job, or even argue that the results show he's not the right guy for the job?

 

[Montana Gym Rat]

Here's the deal....

Is Tinkle in over his head? Probably. It's hard to refute that with the results up to this point.

However...
- This is his 2nd year of head coaching. At any level! Enough counting chicks before the eggs hatch.

- There are no natural leaders on this squad. As a matter of fact, its pretty obvious that there are a few players who don't have the right attitude. Discipline is the coach's responsibility, but execution is the player's.

- There are certain aspects of every job that somebody has to experience before they become adept at that job. It doesn't matter how naturally talented you are at that job.

- The recruiting class was pretty solid, but the JC pieces needed for this year fell through. It's a lesson for the coaching staff to have backup plans for the future.


Give the guy some time to understand and implement the way he wants to run the program. If it doesn't work after 4-5yrs, I'd bet Wayne himself would say that he's not the guy for the job.

If you think that you are frustrated with the basketball team right now, how would you feel if you were the one ultimately responsible? I guarantee WT is the most frustrated person in Missoula about Griz BBall right now.

 

[Grizfan-24]

Cole,

Did you get jilted by Wayne in a past life?

Just wondering because you spew out the same vitrol without any substance at all. Anyone, and I mean anyone can take issue with coaches the way it does.

If you know coaching and I assume you do. Two things are vastly different between the Wayne Tinkle and the Pat Kennedy era. Number one, those kids on the floor do compete. Wayne Tinkle does care. There is a difference between incompetence and not being able to execute on the floor.

I am not sure you get the difference. This team doesn't seem like it is poorly coached, it seems like at times they just can't execute. Come up with a free throw, get a rebound, close out a ballhandler. Those are execution things not coaching.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't get him to drink.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I am eagerly awaiting your response.

This one is easily and quite readily answered - particularly if you are honest with yourself. Do you think that Huse would be sitting at 7-11 with the same group? Absolutely no chance.

Tankle has clearly lost the players, has proven that he cannot manage a game nor an overall program construct, and has simply been the beneficiary of all of those parasitic years. He will continue to put Montana basketball in the can, just as I predicted some time ago. Results matter. Tankle does not produce them.

If you feel the need to defend a coach who clearly is in over his head please do so. However, when he is sitting at the bottom of the standings once again next year perhaps even you will finally realize that the "thanks for the service" experiment was woefully conceived from its inception.

Have you ever coached anything Mr expert? :loser:

 

[wbtfg]

It's eerily similar how these comments mirror what was being said about Durham's teams at MSU over the past couple years of his tenure. If there were a couple of coach's son comments and all time "winningest" and "losingest" comments it would be identical.

The bottom line is that many college athletes do not work hard, or take practice seeriously AND are not disciplined enough to figure that out on their own.

 

[Grizbacker1]

It's eerily similar how these comments mirror what was being said about Durham's teams at MSU over the past couple years of his tenure. If there were a couple of coach's son comments and all time "winningest" and "losingest" comments it would be identical.

The bottom line is that many college athletes do not work hard, or take practice seeriously AND are not disciplined enough to figure that out on their own.

It is also intersting to see how the high praise for Huse on BN became question marks after a 3 game losing streak. Fans never lose a game from the cheap seats. :twocents:

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

I am eagerly awaiting your response.

This one is easily and quite readily answered - particularly if you are honest with yourself. Do you think that Huse would be sitting at 7-11 with the same group? Absolutely no chance.

Tankle has clearly lost the players, has proven that he cannot manage a game nor an overall program construct, and has simply been the beneficiary of all of those parasitic years. He will continue to put Montana basketball in the can, just as I predicted some time ago. Results matter. Tankle does not produce them.

If you feel the need to defend a coach who clearly is in over his head please do so. However, when he is sitting at the bottom of the standings once again next year perhaps even you will finally realize that the "thanks for the service" experiment was woefully conceived from its inception.

Have you ever coached anything Mr expert? :loser:

His pet hamster.

 

[Spanky]

Col Steve....what is your problem with coach Tinkle? Are you a coach? Please tone down your remarks and show some respect.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Col Steve....what is your problem with coach Tinkle? Are you a coach? Please tone down your remarks and show some respect.

Yeah, no doubt. I doubt you would call him Tankle to his face....

 

[wbtfg]

It's eerily similar how these comments mirror what was being said about Durham's teams at MSU over the past couple years of his tenure. If there were a couple of coach's son comments and all time "winningest" and "losingest" comments it would be identical.

The bottom line is that many college athletes do not work hard, or take practice seeriously AND are not disciplined enough to figure that out on their own.

It is also intersting to see how the high praise for Huse on BN became question marks after a 3 game losing streak. Fans never lose a game from the cheap seats. :twocents:

You're right, but I didn't notice any questioning the team's effort. A Brad Huse coached team will always bring great effort and selfless to the court. If you do not bring great effort, then you will be on the bench, and Huse will be all up in your ass in the next day's practice.

The big frustration with Durham's teams is that you never knew which team was going to show up, and it sounds like the same situation with Tinks.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Col Steve....what is your problem with coach Tinkle? Are you a coach? Please tone down your remarks and show some respect.

Yeah, no doubt. I doubt you would call him Tankle to his face....

IF he did call him anything to Tinkle's face, I would love it. That would put an end to him posting on EGRIZ. :thumb:

By using COLSTEVE philosophy on coaching the sporting world never know the likes of Wooden, Coach K, (insert your coach here). Head coaching at the college level takes time to learn all the ins and outs. Your average fan/person realizes most people have an adjustment period for any new job. In most cases that time is 3 plus years as 1st time head coach.

Colsteve, if you are so damn good and know the answers what in the hell are you doing wasting your time posting here? Don't you have a coaching job that needs attended to racking up W after W, winning title after title? Hard to fathom an egrizzer that has not been there or done better than any caoch think he/she knows more than the coach in charge!!! That never happens on EGRIZ!!

Feel free to send your resume to O'day. I am sure you would a shoe in almighty one. Tinkle knows nothing compared to you. Fortunately for us your opinion gets you nowhere. So you continue think you know it all. I am sure in time you can write a motivational best seller for everyone to live by. You can start with telling everyone you got your experience on EGRIZ. :thumb:

Now that would be something to put on your coaching resume! :thumb:

 

[robomomo]

I believe tinkle is a nice guy, outgoing and has a lot of friends, some of whom defend him on this board. But every preseason publication had the Griz either 1 or 2 in the big sky. We returned 2 all big sky players and the freshman of the year. We have the deepest bench in the big sky......why are we so bad?????????

Why do our players try to make entry passes from the baseline and top of the key.
Why do they turn the ball over more than almost any other BSC team?
why do they lose every close game?
When you're down with a few ticks left why is the ball in martin's hands when he is completely unable to take the ball to the court.

How many of these are coaching?????????? I have no beef with tinks and I keep comparing him to cam cameron. There's a seat on the bus for him, just not in the driver's seat.

 

[PlayerRep]

Robo, where did you get your stats, or did you make them up?

I believe UM has the lowest amount, and lowest average per game (12.8), of turnovers in the conference. UM has the highest assist per turnover ratio.

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

Robo, where did you get your stats, or did you make them up?

I believe UM has the lowest amount, and lowest average per game (12.8), of turnovers in the conference. UM has the highest assist per turnover ratio.

Maybe he has the impression of Griz having a problem with turnovers because 3 of the last 4 games Griz turned it over 15 or more times. 15 against Weber State, 18 against Sac State, and 17 against NAU.

MSU and ISU, Griz turned the ball over 9 times.

Anyway, a person really has to be careful when looking at the mens statistics on www.montanagrizzlies.com. It appears whoever maintains those stats has pretty much given up on the Griz and also updating the stats. The overall statistics only go as far as the non-conference games. So, need to combine the conference stats to the overall stats. And some of the overall team stats, you have to do it yourself. So, Playerrep, where have you got your stats?

 

[Grizbacker1]

Robo, where did you get your stats, or did you make them up?

I believe UM has the lowest amount, and lowest average per game (12.8), of turnovers in the conference. UM has the highest assist per turnover ratio.

Here are the official BSC Stats by team and individual

Big Sky BB Stats Link

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

Actually, another link for stats, which will include a link to the stats that GB1 provided, plus other stats for each team and every Big Sky Player (not just the top 10, 15, or 25 or whatever):

http://www.bigskyconf.com/section_front.asp?arttypeid=219&sportid=19

 

[Hammer]

Robo, where did you get your stats, or did you make them up?

I believe UM has the lowest amount, and lowest average per game (12.8), of turnovers in the conference. UM has the highest assist per turnover ratio.

Whats their W-L record??? You obviously put more emphasis on stats than W-L. Stats don't tell the whole story, as you seem to think.

 

[PlayerRep]

Get out of here, Hammer. There's no need for you to wreck a hoops thread, like you are starting to do in the football section. You're a loser.

 

[Hammer]

Get out of here, Hammer. There's no need for you to wreck a hoops thread, like you are starting to do in the football section. You're a loser.

From lowlife to loser. Cool. BTW I don't think you have any say in where and when I post :twocents:

If you can't take the heat, go sue someone :finger: