Watering down of FCS

[PlayerRep]

What? Please explain how losing UConn, UMass, JMU (soon Nova and possibly Richmond and even Delaware) makes the East stronger. Who replaced those programs? And that doesn't even consider the southeast (GSU, App, etc).

UConn? Their last year in FCS was 4-7. Their last 9 years in FCS were 62-49. They had 1 good years in those 9 years. UConn was seldom very good in FCS. Not a big loss. Have done fairly well in FBS, tho. With their strong hoops programs and other conference affiliation, it made some sense.

UMass? The team that went 1-11 last year?, and finished FCS as follows: 5-6, 6-5, 5-6. UMass was good at times in the past, but not so much in recent history. A minor loss.

JMU? They're good but they haven't announced going anywhere yet, have they?

Haven't heard Delaware or Richmond are going anywhere. Doubt Delaware would. Maybe not Richmond either, but don't know.

Other teams that have risen: Stony Brook, Colgate, Albany, UNH has been up for awhile, Penn and Harvard, Bethune-Cookman. Coastal Carolina is on the rise. Others not previously mentioned: Sam Houston St, Northern Arizona in recent years, So Dak St, Ill St in recent years. Blue Mountain St.

 

[grizcountry420]

I have never tooted my horn in the internet.

Okay, show us where, when I wasn't defending myself. Your track record on secondary play wasn't accurate. Maybe you can do better on this one.

Right.. And the Griz blitz from a cover 4 zone

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I have never tooted my horn in the internet.

Okay, show us where, when I wasn't defending myself. Your track record on secondary play wasn't accurate. Maybe you can do better on this one.

Right.. And the Griz blitz from a cover 4 zone

PR:
Of course some of my comments toward you are in jest. This board is pure entertainment and your posts are hilarious. But to hear you actually say that " you don't toot your own horn" is laughable. Even you have to admit that. If your "PR" persona is an act, an actual " role" that you play on this board, then you got some real talent. If that is the case, you should give up the "small town" lawyer gig and move to Hollywood. Maybe you did finally answer my question about "why you felt the need to pontificate so much on E-Griz? " It's an act! LOL.

 

[PlayerRep]

Okay, show us where, when I wasn't defending myself. Your track record on secondary play wasn't accurate. Maybe you can do better on this one.

Right.. And the Griz blitz from a cover 4 zone

PR:
Of course some of my comments toward you are in jest. This board is pure entertainment and your posts are hilarious. But to hear you actually say that " you don't toot your own horn" is laughable. Even you have to admit that. If your "PR" persona is an act, an actual " role" that you play on this board, then you got some real talent. If that is the case, you should give up the "small town" lawyer gig and move to Hollywood. Maybe you did finally answer my question about "why you felt the need to pontificate so much on E-Griz? " It's an act! LOL.

Nope, don't toot my horn. Defend myself and credibility on occasion. Show me any place where I've claimed to be or insinuated being a country lawyer. Never have. Have rarely said I was a lawyer. I assume you don't equate pontificating with tooting horns.

 

[PlayerRep]

I have never tooted my horn in the internet.

Okay, show us where, when I wasn't defending myself. Your track record on secondary play wasn't accurate. Maybe you can do better on this one.

Right.. And the Griz blitz from a cover 4 zone

Yup, goofed up my number there.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Okay, show us where, when I wasn't defending myself. Your track record on secondary play wasn't accurate. Maybe you can do better on this one.

Right.. And the Griz blitz from a cover 4 zone

PR:
Of course some of my comments toward you are in jest. This board is pure entertainment and your posts are hilarious. But to hear you actually say that " you don't toot your own horn" is laughable. Even you have to admit that. If your "PR" persona is an act, an actual " role" that you play on this board, then you got some real talent. If that is the case, you should give up the "small town" lawyer gig and move to Hollywood. Maybe you did finally answer my question about "why you felt the need to pontificate so much on E-Griz? " It's an act! LOL.

Nope, don't toot my horn. Defend myself and credibility on occasion. Show me any place where I've claimed to be or insinuated being a country lawyer. Never have. Have rarely said I was a lawyer. I assume you don't equate pontificating with tooting horns.

I would say that tooting your horn and pontificating are somewhat synonymous but you're the one with the Ivy League education so I'll have to defer. If you are saying that you do pontificate but you don't toot your horn, I can accept that.
If you're saying that you pontificate for our entertainment on E-Griz and it's an act to get a poster's goat occasionally, then I can accept that too.

 

[kemajic]

d2 teams moving to f.c.s. in that time frame and having success are n.d.s.u., s.d.s.u., e.w.u. to name a few. f.c.s. teams moving to f.b.s. and having similar success are? b.s.u. and?

EWU moved up nearly 30 years ago and was in the BSC 6 years before having a winning season and was 47-60 for their first 10 years in the conference. It took them 25 years to get nationally competitive in FCS. SDSU has done what in FCS? Won one playoff game. And you want to compare that to BSU? Puts you into perspective. NDSU and BSU are the exceptions; no others.

 

[EverettGriz]

What? Please explain how losing UConn, UMass, JMU (soon Nova and possibly Richmond and even Delaware) makes the East stronger. Who replaced those programs? And that doesn't even consider the southeast (GSU, App, etc).

UConn? Their last year in FCS was 4-7. Their last 9 years in FCS were 62-49. They had 1 good years in those 9 years. UConn was seldom very good in FCS. Not a big loss. Have done fairly well in FBS, tho. With their strong hoops programs and other conference affiliation, it made some sense.

UMass? The team that went 1-11 last year?, and finished FCS as follows: 5-6, 6-5, 5-6. UMass was good at times in the past, but not so much in recent history. A minor loss.

JMU? They're good but they haven't announced going anywhere yet, have they?

Haven't heard Delaware or Richmond are going anywhere. Doubt Delaware would. Maybe not Richmond either, but don't know.

Other teams that have risen: Stony Brook, Colgate, Albany, UNH has been up for awhile, Penn and Harvard, Bethune-Cookman. Coastal Carolina is on the rise. Others not previously mentioned: Sam Houston St, Northern Arizona in recent years, So Dak St, Ill St in recent years. Blue Mountain St.

Oh Jesus. If this post doesn't put a perfect wrap on this thread, I don't know what would.

Suggesting that Stony Brook and Albany are comparable to UMass, UConn and JMU????

This is PRECISELY the point I'm making.

 

[PlayerRep]

What? Please explain how losing UConn, UMass, JMU (soon Nova and possibly Richmond and even Delaware) makes the East stronger. Who replaced those programs? And that doesn't even consider the southeast (GSU, App, etc).

UConn? Their last year in FCS was 4-7. Their last 9 years in FCS were 62-49. They had 1 good years in those 9 years. UConn was seldom very good in FCS. Not a big loss. Have done fairly well in FBS, tho. With their strong hoops programs and other conference affiliation, it made some sense.

UMass? The team that went 1-11 last year?, and finished FCS as follows: 5-6, 6-5, 5-6. UMass was good at times in the past, but not so much in recent history. A minor loss.

JMU? They're good but they haven't announced going anywhere yet, have they?

Haven't heard Delaware or Richmond are going anywhere. Doubt Delaware would. Maybe not Richmond either, but don't know.

Other teams that have risen: Stony Brook, Colgate, Albany, UNH has been up for awhile, Penn and Harvard, Bethune-Cookman. Coastal Carolina is on the rise. Others not previously mentioned: Sam Houston St, Northern Arizona in recent years, So Dak St, Ill St in recent years. Blue Mountain St.

Oh Jesus. If this post doesn't put a perfect wrap on this thread, I don't know what would.

Suggesting that Stony Brook and Albany are comparable to UMass, UConn and JMU????

This is PRECISELY the point I'm making.

The question was: who are the up and comers, not who's better. UMass was horrible in recent years. UConn was never a power. They were bad, except for a few years. But if you want to compare, Stony Brook is better in recent years than UMass was in recent years, and UConn was in most years.

Please don't tell us that you think records like this were of powerhouse teams: 62-49; and 5-6, 6-5, 5-6.

You recall that Stony Brook lost to MSU by only 6 in the playoffs last year, after beating Villanova in the first round, don't you? You recall that StoYou recall that Stony ny Brook lost to Sam Houston by only 7 in the playoffs in 2011, don't you? Edit. While SB has been good only in recent years, I don't see how you can badmouth SB in recent years. Heck, SB would have clobbered UMass last year.

Why do you keep mentioning JMU?

You know even less about FCS football than I had thought.

 

[get'em_griz]

You recall that Stony Brook lost to MSU by only 6 in the playoffs last year...

I think that more showed how bad MSU was than how good Stony Brook was...

 

[poorgriz]

You recall that Stony Brook lost to MSU by only 6 in the playoffs last year...

I think that more showed how bad MSU was than how good Stony Brook was...

No. They beat Villanova (A good team), and only lost to SHSU by 7 as PR points out.

 

[EverettGriz]

Why do you keep mentioning JMU?

You know even less about FCS football than I had thought.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26185" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HARRISONBURG - If you’ve been pining for James Madison to seriously consider a jump to Division I-A football, you’re going to like this: Athletic director Jeff Bourne said Monday it could happen sooner than anyone expected.

...

So what are the odds of Madison moving up?

“I think it is very likely something like this could happen,” Bourne said. “I would guess you could see movement in 18-24 months.”

I'd suggest it's you who knows very little about FCS football. Not that that surprises anyone.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Why do you keep mentioning JMU?

You know even less about FCS football than I had thought.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26185" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HARRISONBURG - If you’ve been pining for James Madison to seriously consider a jump to Division I-A football, you’re going to like this: Athletic director Jeff Bourne said Monday it could happen sooner than anyone expected.

...

So what are the odds of Madison moving up?

“I think it is very likely something like this could happen,” Bourne said. “I would guess you could see movement in 18-24 months.”

I'd suggest it's you who knows very little about FCS football. Not that that surprises anyone.

Nice job Everett! You gotta love PR. Classic.

 

[GrizLA]

The biggest difference is that those former national championship teams will never be national champions again.

If it's all about some mythical (and let's be frank -- it IS a mythical national title at this level), let's move down to DII and really kick ass!

It HAS to be about more than that. It has to be about the student-athlete's experience competing against the best. It has to be about the fans having the opportunity to watch teams without 7 nautical directions in their name. It has to be about playing in better conferences to help support the other sports programs at the university (remember this isn't ONLY a football decision).

We'll probably never win a national title in basketball either. But I don't hear too many people clamoring for a move to DII, to give up the Big Dance experience, for a chance to win a national title.

Universities should compete with their peers. Right now, UM isn't doing that.

Well, judging from the record last year I 'd say you are right.

 

[GrizLA]

What? Please explain how losing UConn, UMass, JMU (soon Nova and possibly Richmond and even Delaware) makes the East stronger. Who replaced those programs? And that doesn't even consider the southeast (GSU, App, etc).

UConn? Their last year in FCS was 4-7. Their last 9 years in FCS were 62-49. They had 1 good years in those 9 years. UConn was seldom very good in FCS. Not a big loss. Have done fairly well in FBS, tho. With their strong hoops programs and other conference affiliation, it made some sense.

UMass? The team that went 1-11 last year?, and finished FCS as follows: 5-6, 6-5, 5-6. UMass was good at times in the past, but not so much in recent history. A minor loss.

JMU? They're good but they haven't announced going anywhere yet, have they?

Haven't heard Delaware or Richmond are going anywhere. Doubt Delaware would. Maybe not Richmond either, but don't know.

Other teams that have risen: Stony Brook, Colgate, Albany, UNH has been up for awhile, Penn and Harvard, Bethune-Cookman. Coastal Carolina is on the rise. Others not previously mentioned: Sam Houston St, Northern Arizona in recent years, So Dak St, Ill St in recent years. Blue Mountain St.

Oh Jesus. If this post doesn't put a perfect wrap on this thread, I don't know what would.

Suggesting that Stony Brook and Albany are comparable to UMass, UConn and JMU????

This is PRECISELY the point I'm making.

So, downplaying other teams to make UM look good makes UM better? UM has won 2 national championships if fcs....if the Griz are so superior why do they not win more? UM is playing at the level they can afford to play in, with quality opponents. If playing in the BCS is so important ,then perhaps you need to look elsewhere on Fall afternoons....

 

[Spanky]

Quality Opponents?

 

[AZGrizFan]

The biggest difference is that those former national championship teams will never be national champions again.

If it's all about some mythical (and let's be frank -- it IS a mythical national title at this level), let's move down to DII and really kick ass!

It HAS to be about more than that. It has to be about the student-athlete's experience competing against the best. It has to be about the fans having the opportunity to watch teams without 7 nautical directions in their name. It has to be about playing in better conferences to help support the other sports programs at the university (remember this isn't ONLY a football decision).

We'll probably never win a national title in basketball either. But I don't hear too many people clamoring for a move to DII, to give up the Big Dance experience, for a chance to win a national title.

Universities should compete with their peers. Right now, UM isn't doing that.

Well, judging from the record last year I 'd say you are right.

What about judging from their record the 25 years prior to that? :roll:

 

[PlayerRep]

Why do you keep mentioning JMU?

You know even less about FCS football than I had thought.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26185" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HARRISONBURG - If you’ve been pining for James Madison to seriously consider a jump to Division I-A football, you’re going to like this: Athletic director Jeff Bourne said Monday it could happen sooner than anyone expected.

...

So what are the odds of Madison moving up?

“I think it is very likely something like this could happen,” Bourne said. “I would guess you could see movement in 18-24 months.”

I'd suggest it's you who knows very little about FCS football. Not that that surprises anyone.

And as usual, you would be wrong.

 

[BigSkyBears]

I was asking about all the people who worry about what others think

My hunch is that they believe UM should be playing its peer universities, something it quite obvioulsy is not currently. As the old saying goes, you are who you associate with. Many of those people don't want to be associated with mulit-directional schools. They want to be associated with flagship universities. And to that, I say good on 'em.

I don't agree that FCS is on a "marked decline

Clearly we disagree.

Same thing in the East.

What? Please explain how losing UConn, UMass, JMU (soon Nova and possibly Richmond and even Delaware) makes the East stronger. Who replaced those programs? And that doesn't even consider the southeast (GSU, App, etc).

Forget about attendance for a moment and focus on what really matters in college football, and that's $$$$. Montana's athletic budget says you're right where you should be. You're tops among Big Sky, but look elsewhere and it's the same budget as many other FCS schools. Do you really think your peer university would be a university like Colorado State? They're paying their head coach almost a million dollars a year. That's a million dollars a year. The CSU coach got a bonus of $125,000 for having a good APR. That's just a bonus, yet I bet it's close to what your head coach makes in his annual salary. Add to that, I believe CSU has one of the lowest budgets in the conference, yet they can do that. You're not even close to that sort of money. You're delusional if you think Montana has that kind of money.

 

[grizfan95]

I was asking about all the people who worry about what others think

My hunch is that they believe UM should be playing its peer universities, something it quite obvioulsy is not currently. As the old saying goes, you are who you associate with. Many of those people don't want to be associated with mulit-directional schools. They want to be associated with flagship universities. And to that, I say good on 'em.

I don't agree that FCS is on a "marked decline

Clearly we disagree.

Same thing in the East.

What? Please explain how losing UConn, UMass, JMU (soon Nova and possibly Richmond and even Delaware) makes the East stronger. Who replaced those programs? And that doesn't even consider the southeast (GSU, App, etc).

Forget about attendance for a moment and focus on what really matters in college football, and that's $$$$. Montana's athletic budget says you're right where you should be. You're tops among Big Sky, but look elsewhere and it's the same budget as many other FCS schools. Do you really think your peer university would be a university like Colorado State? They're paying their head coach almost a million dollars a year. That's a million dollars a year. The CSU coach got a bonus of $125,000 for having a good APR. That's just a bonus, yet I bet it's close to what your head coach makes in his annual salary. Add to that, I believe CSU has one of the lowest budgets in the conference, yet they can do that. You're not even close to that sort of money. You're delusional if you think Montana has that kind of money.

Wow, someone who can reason past the delusion of seeing Montana play San Diego State. Everyone else just wants UM to move up so they can fantasize about saying we play against the "big boys" without taking into consideration the ginormous changes that would have to occur. And the money's no where near there.