'Voice of the Bobcats' resigned amidst sexual harassment investigation

[PlayerRep]

This is the part I don't understand....

“The assaults and harassment are why I decided to pursue a new opportunity and leave Montana,” Just said. “I was prepared to leave the journalism industry altogether had I not found another job.”

This guy was obviously in the wrong and a huge dipshit, but why would she have to leave the state and possibly journalism all together? She did a fine job covering the Griz, but I never got the sense she liked being in Missoula anyway. Regardless, no one should have to endure what she did.

Also, why would she wait to file a complaint until Sept. 25, knowing she was about to leave the State for another job, which she announced on Oct. She filed her complaint 8 days before she announced she was taking a new job. And why would she wait until Sept. 25 to to complain about a Feb. 24 text storm (and other things)?

That’s the part I don’t get. REPORT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS.

And send a text saying that she doesn't want anymore texts from him, or texts like that from him. Tell him it's inappropriate and she doesn't like it. Perhaps she did that as time went on.

 

[AZGrizFan]

This is the part I don't understand....

“The assaults and harassment are why I decided to pursue a new opportunity and leave Montana,” Just said. “I was prepared to leave the journalism industry altogether had I not found another job.”

This guy was obviously in the wrong and a huge dipshit, but why would she have to leave the state and possibly journalism all together? She did a fine job covering the Griz, but I never got the sense she liked being in Missoula anyway. Regardless, no one should have to endure what she did.

Also, why would she wait to file a complaint until Sept. 25, knowing she was about to leave the State for another job, which she announced on Oct. She filed her complaint 8 days before she announced she was taking a new job. And why would she wait until Sept. 25 to to complain about a Feb. 24 text storm (and other things)?

That’s the part I don’t get. REPORT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS.

And send a text saying that she doesn't want anymore texts from him, or texts like that from him. Tell him it's inappropriate and she doesn't like it. Perhaps she did that as time went on.

She shared one text saying basically “I’m not interested”...if she’d told him those things you propose, I’m certain she would have shared those as well.

 

[grizindabox]

Also, why would she wait to file a complaint until Sept. 25, knowing she was about to leave the State for another job, which she announced on Oct. She filed her complaint 8 days before she announced she was taking a new job. And why would she wait until Sept. 25 to to complain about a Feb. 24 text storm (and other things)?

That’s the part I don’t get. REPORT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS.

And send a text saying that she doesn't want anymore texts from him, or texts like that from him. Tell him it's inappropriate and she doesn't like it. Perhaps she did that as time went on.

She shared one text saying basically “I’m not interested”...if she’d told him those things you propose, I’m certain she would have shared those as well.

I think a big part of what made her finally file a complaint were things that happened at the Big Sky Conference football kickoff in August.

 

[PlayerRep]

That’s the part I don’t get. REPORT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS.

And send a text saying that she doesn't want anymore texts from him, or texts like that from him. Tell him it's inappropriate and she doesn't like it. Perhaps she did that as time went on.

She shared one text saying basically “I’m not interested”...if she’d told him those things you propose, I’m certain she would have shared those as well.

I think a big part of what made her finally file a complaint were things that happened at the Big Sky Conference football kickoff in August.

Perhaps true, but the Big Sky media day looks like it was on July 18 in Spokane, not August.

"During the Big Sky Conference Media Days at the DoubleTree Hotel, EWU quarterback Gage Gubrud, left and defensive back Mitch Fettig wait to speak to reporters, Mon., July 16, 2018. (Colin Mulvany / The Spokesman-Review)

So, if the last straw was the media days, then she waited over 2 months to file the formal complaint with MSU, and filed it 8 days prior to announcing her acceptance of a new job in NO.

With both parties now living out of state, is this a good use of MSU's Title IX resources? Don't think UM continued with its proceeding after the Saudi student went back to Saudi Arabia, but maybe UM did.

Also, I recall that at UM a number of years ago, both parties were required to keep the UM proceedings confidential. An accuser had complained about that. Don't know MSU's rules. Looks like the reporter must have given the draft report to the Gazette/Missoulian, or someone did. MSU obviously has no way to enforce any such rule against the reporter, even if they have such a rule.

Assume the federal privacy rules prevent MSU from releasing the report or any details, whether involving a student or employee. Note that ongoing legal action of Krakauer against UM, and UM's arguments to not make information public.

From the article:

"Asked if the information contained in the report generally would lead to the dismissal of an employee, MSU vice president of university communications Tracy Ellig noted that he can’t speak to the specifics of any case and that each case is handled on an individual basis.

“The question you’re asking is one I can’t answer because, one, I can’t speak to a specific case, and two, the case you’re asking about is not finalized, and three, it’s entirely speculative because he no longer works here, and four, the majority of his employment was with Learfield,” Ellig said."

Here's the person doing the investigation for MSU, according to the article:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/victor-maxson-78753418

 

[Ursa Major]

And send a text saying that she doesn't want anymore texts from him, or texts like that from him. Tell him it's inappropriate and she doesn't like it. Perhaps she did that as time went on.

She shared one text saying basically “I’m not interested”...if she’d told him those things you propose, I’m certain she would have shared those as well.

I think a big part of what made her finally file a complaint were things that happened at the Big Sky Conference football kickoff in August.

Perhaps true, but the Big Sky media day looks like it was on July 18 in Spokane, not August.

"During the Big Sky Conference Media Days at the DoubleTree Hotel, EWU quarterback Gage Gubrud, left and defensive back Mitch Fettig wait to speak to reporters, Mon., July 16, 2018. (Colin Mulvany / The Spokesman-Review)

So, if the last straw was the media days, then she waited over 2 months to file the formal complaint with MSU, and filed it 8 days prior to announcing her acceptance of a new job in NO.

With both parties now living out of state, is this a good use of MSU's Title IX resources? Don't think UM continued with its proceeding after the Saudi student went back to Saudi Arabia, but maybe UM did.

Also, I recall that at UM a number of years ago, both parties were required to keep the UM proceedings confidential. An accuser had complained about that. Don't know MSU's rules. Looks like the reporter must have given the draft report to the Gazette/Missoulian, or someone did. MSU obviously has no way to enforce any such rule against the reporter, even if they have such a rule.

Assume the federal privacy rules prevent MSU from releasing the report or any details, whether involving a student or employee. Note that ongoing legal action of Krakauer against UM, and UM's arguments to not make information public.

From the article:

"Asked if the information contained in the report generally would lead to the dismissal of an employee, MSU vice president of university communications Tracy Ellig noted that he can’t speak to the specifics of any case and that each case is handled on an individual basis.

“The question you’re asking is one I can’t answer because, one, I can’t speak to a specific case, and two, the case you’re asking about is not finalized, and three, it’s entirely speculative because he no longer works here, and four, the majority of his employment was with Learfield,” Ellig said."

Here's the person doing the investigation for MSU, according to the article:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/victor-maxson-78753418

Oh good, we're getting to the stage where we question the victim.

Next stop on this well worn trail is we question her mental health stability and motivation, a quick stop at character assassination and then our final destination of fully blaming the victim.

Fun

 

[PlayerRep]

She shared one text saying basically “I’m not interested”...if she’d told him those things you propose, I’m certain she would have shared those as well.

I think a big part of what made her finally file a complaint were things that happened at the Big Sky Conference football kickoff in August.

Perhaps true, but the Big Sky media day looks like it was on July 18 in Spokane, not August.

"During the Big Sky Conference Media Days at the DoubleTree Hotel, EWU quarterback Gage Gubrud, left and defensive back Mitch Fettig wait to speak to reporters, Mon., July 16, 2018. (Colin Mulvany / The Spokesman-Review)

So, if the last straw was the media days, then she waited over 2 months to file the formal complaint with MSU, and filed it 8 days prior to announcing her acceptance of a new job in NO.

With both parties now living out of state, is this a good use of MSU's Title IX resources? Don't think UM continued with its proceeding after the Saudi student went back to Saudi Arabia, but maybe UM did.

Also, I recall that at UM a number of years ago, both parties were required to keep the UM proceedings confidential. An accuser had complained about that. Don't know MSU's rules. Looks like the reporter must have given the draft report to the Gazette/Missoulian, or someone did. MSU obviously has no way to enforce any such rule against the reporter, even if they have such a rule.

Assume the federal privacy rules prevent MSU from releasing the report or any details, whether involving a student or employee. Note that ongoing legal action of Krakauer against UM, and UM's arguments to not make information public.

From the article:

"Asked if the information contained in the report generally would lead to the dismissal of an employee, MSU vice president of university communications Tracy Ellig noted that he can’t speak to the specifics of any case and that each case is handled on an individual basis.

“The question you’re asking is one I can’t answer because, one, I can’t speak to a specific case, and two, the case you’re asking about is not finalized, and three, it’s entirely speculative because he no longer works here, and four, the majority of his employment was with Learfield,” Ellig said."

Here's the person doing the investigation for MSU, according to the article:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/victor-maxson-78753418

Oh good, we're getting to the stage where we question the victim.

Next stop on this well worn trail is we question her mental health stability and motivation, a quick stop at character assassination and then our final destination of fully blaming the victim.

Fun

Accusers are questioned in ever single proceeding in courts and probably most Title IX proceedings. That's how it's done. Why should accusers get passes, and the accused not?

Or, are you just a liberal who goes with narrative on things like this? Try thinking for yourself. Try using some common sense.

 

[IdaGriz01]

... Oh good, we're getting to the stage where we question the victim.

Next stop on this well worn trail is we question her mental health stability and motivation, a quick stop at character assassination and then our final destination of fully blaming the victim.

Fun

Accusers are questioned in ever single proceeding in courts and probably most Title IX proceedings. That's how it's done. Why should accusers get passes, and the accused not?

Or, are you just a liberal who goes with narrative on things like this? Try thinking for yourself. Try using some common sense.

PR beat me to it, but here’s the deal (just to add to the point):
It’s called “Due Process” … in the Fifth Amendment (Bill of Rights) of the U. S. Constitution.

That goes along with the “Confrontation Clause,” in the Sixth Amendment, which allows an accused – or at least his/her representative – to confront his/her accuser. The amendment does restrict the clause to “criminal” prosecutions, but the courts have generally leaned that way in other accused/accuser confrontations.

I did not read the article, and do not care to. But these are some pretty fundamental rights ... rights that go well beyond any sordid he said-she said situation.

 

[grizindabox]

And send a text saying that she doesn't want anymore texts from him, or texts like that from him. Tell him it's inappropriate and she doesn't like it. Perhaps she did that as time went on.

She shared one text saying basically “I’m not interested”...if she’d told him those things you propose, I’m certain she would have shared those as well.

I think a big part of what made her finally file a complaint were things that happened at the Big Sky Conference football kickoff in August.

Perhaps true, but the Big Sky media day looks like it was on July 18 in Spokane, not August.

"During the Big Sky Conference Media Days at the DoubleTree Hotel, EWU quarterback Gage Gubrud, left and defensive back Mitch Fettig wait to speak to reporters, Mon., July 16, 2018. (Colin Mulvany / The Spokesman-Review)

So, if the last straw was the media days, then she waited over 2 months to file the formal complaint with MSU, and filed it 8 days prior to announcing her acceptance of a new job in NO.

With both parties now living out of state, is this a good use of MSU's Title IX resources? Don't think UM continued with its proceeding after the Saudi student went back to Saudi Arabia, but maybe UM did.

Also, I recall that at UM a number of years ago, both parties were required to keep the UM proceedings confidential. An accuser had complained about that. Don't know MSU's rules. Looks like the reporter must have given the draft report to the Gazette/Missoulian, or someone did. MSU obviously has no way to enforce any such rule against the reporter, even if they have such a rule.

Assume the federal privacy rules prevent MSU from releasing the report or any details, whether involving a student or employee. Note that ongoing legal action of Krakauer against UM, and UM's arguments to not make information public.

From the article:

"Asked if the information contained in the report generally would lead to the dismissal of an employee, MSU vice president of university communications Tracy Ellig noted that he can’t speak to the specifics of any case and that each case is handled on an individual basis.

“The question you’re asking is one I can’t answer because, one, I can’t speak to a specific case, and two, the case you’re asking about is not finalized, and three, it’s entirely speculative because he no longer works here, and four, the majority of his employment was with Learfield,” Ellig said."

Here's the person doing the investigation for MSU, according to the article:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/victor-maxson-78753418

My bad on the date.

 

[Copper Griz]

... Oh good, we're getting to the stage where we question the victim.

Next stop on this well worn trail is we question her mental health stability and motivation, a quick stop at character assassination and then our final destination of fully blaming the victim.

Fun

Accusers are questioned in ever single proceeding in courts and probably most Title IX proceedings. That's how it's done. Why should accusers get passes, and the accused not?

Or, are you just a liberal who goes with narrative on things like this? Try thinking for yourself. Try using some common sense.

PR beat me to it, but here’s the deal (just to add to the point):
It’s called “Due Process” … in the Fifth Amendment (Bill of Rights) of the U. S. Constitution.

That goes along with the “Confrontation Clause,” in the Sixth Amendment, which allows an accused – or at least his/her representative – to confront his/her accuser. The amendment does restrict the clause to “criminal” prosecutions, but the courts have generally leaned that way in other accused/accuser confrontations.

I did not read the article, and do not care to. But these are some pretty fundamental rights ... rights that go well beyond any sordid he said-she said situation.

I don't necessarily agree that we have a sordid he said - she said. What I know for sure is this, the guy is married and whether Amie "led him on" or not he is a scumbag. Someone that should not represent a public toilet, yet alone a collegiate sports program, a vendor or any employer worth their salt. I for one don't believe Amie acted inappropriately, but I say fine let due process occur. I am confident that his actions were inappropriate and any actions taken against him were justified. He is a douche.

 

[Spanky2]

I don’t know either individual, but it seems like several of you have passed judgment on him without knowing all of the facts.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

The newspaper article said this. Is this true? "Sanderson told Just that she had “Amazing tits.” Sanderson denied he ever said that, but a witness corroborated Just’s assertion, the report said."

 

[Dutch Lane]

I wouldn't pick her up at 1:55 am at the MO Club. She went to report on a SEC team. I mean who in their right mind would choose that over the griz? I remember another snowflake girl who made some big claims against JJ a few years back. Let's see how this plays out. I have a feeling there's more to the story. But of course, no one from the Missoulian has ever done that? Right? lol.....

I’m with the Phatman on this one. He is spot on as usual, this really is right out of the U of M left wing playbook. Come on what forty-something married father of five would ever think of grabbing someone who looks like her by the ass, I mean it wasn’t even her pussy. And let’s be real she really isn’t attractive enough to sexually harass is she fellas? And who hasn’t at least once in their career told a female colleague that they have nice tits? Simply playful locker room banter between friends at most. Smh what a bunch of snowflakes. Phatman I can’t wait to hear more about your feelings on this smear campaign. I m thinking its probably pay back for his game ending cat-griz call. Riddle me this like how would Jay even have her phone number to send her those texts at 3:00 a.m. that the main stream media has conveniently taken out of context, I mean it’s not like her phone number was ever posted on the Missoulian web site so other media people could contact her about their work together. I got the same feeling as Phats on this one there obviously is way more to the story then is being reported, like where are all of his sobber daytime texts? Why weren’t they reported on? Fake news as usual from Lee newspapers. God speed Jay, I wish you and your family good will and good health back home in Kansas.

 

[Dutch Lane]

I don't understand what jurisdiction that MSU Title IX department has over this situation. Unless there is some special provision in the Leerfield contract with MSU that requires Leerfield abide by and be governed by MSU's sexual harassment policies, I don't get the connection. From what I read, the guy worked for Leerfield, not MSU.

I can't imagine, for example, that every third party contractor that works with MSU--say a contruction company building a building, a catering company that supplies MSU events including at say the stadium during games, an accounting firm auditing MSU, a company providing janitorial services--is subject to the MSU Title IX policy. It just seems odd that MSU would have jurisdiction to start a proceeding regarding a construction worker, caterer, janitor, who sexually harasses a non-MSU employee, like a Bozeman Chronicle or Missoulian reporter.

The stuff doesn't appear to have occurred on the MSU campus, not that that would be necessary for jurisdiction if this involved a student or professor.

Some federal laws and contracts require compliance with a bunch of federal laws. However, even if something like that, I'm not aware that that would allow a federal agency to start an agency sexual harassment proceeding against an employee of a contractor.

There must be some law or contract provision that I'm not aware of.

Anyone have any ideas on this?

Yes. I think you are confusing the issues here. The application of Title IX is broadly construed and it can and does apply to “any person” tangentially involved with MSU in this case Amie as a reporter covering its athletic programs. Once she filed her complaint, MSU had a compliance obligation or duty under Title IX to immediately investigate and implement any action necessary to stop the sexual harassment if it found that there was any and to also implement measures to prevent its reoccurrence. Basically an educational institution has a duty to prevent a hostile sexual environment from being allowed to occur on its campus even if it is caused by a non-employee third party like the voice of the bobcats. Once MSU did that then it has met its obligation under the act and it is off the hook so to speak. Any damages Amie might have incurred, MSU and not the voice of the bobcats, would have been liable for them. Since the voice of the bobcats resigned due to a family medical issue then this issue is non-issue issue. Lol. Was never a jurisdictional issue but rather a compliance issue on the part of an educational institution recieving federal dollars. I don’t think the voice really has what would be considered traditional “due process rights” as a non employee third party. He would of course had the right to submit a response to her complaint which it sounded like he is or was going to. his only relief would be a civil action against Learfield, MSU and Amie had Learfield fired him and there wasn’t good cause. He potentially would have had a cause of action against Learfield for breach or wrongful discharge and MSU and possibly Amie for defamation or tortious interfence of his employment contract. I think this is about all we are ever going to hear about this whole thing unless the former voice of the bobcats decides to release MSU’s compliance report to prove his asseration that his texts were in no way sexual in nature. Lol.

MSU is currently being sued for sex discrimination by a former straight male student after a Title IX investigation found him to have created a hostile environment against a transgender student when he told their investigator that he would beat the shit out of her, the transgender woman, if she ever approached him in a class they had together. As a result of the investigation he was asked to leave and transferred to Northern. Lol. That’s all I got. Thanks.

 

[SaskGriz]

I wouldn't pick her up at 1:55 am at the MO Club. She went to report on a SEC team. I mean who in their right mind would choose that over the griz? I remember another snowflake girl who made some big claims against JJ a few years back. Let's see how this plays out. I have a feeling there's more to the story. But of course, no one from the Missoulian has ever done that? Right? lol.....

I’m with the Phatman on this one. He is spot on as usual, this really is right out of the U of M left wing playbook. Come on what forty-something married father of five would ever think of grabbing someone who looks like her by the ass, I mean it wasn’t even her pussy. And let’s be real she really isn’t attractive enough to sexually harass is she fellas? And who hasn’t at least once in their career told a female colleague that they have nice tits? Simply playful locker room banter between friends at most. Smh what a bunch of snowflakes. Phatman I can’t wait to hear more about your feelings on this smear campaign. I m thinking its probably pay back for his game ending cat-griz call. Riddle me this like how would Jay even have her phone number to send her those texts at 3:00 a.m. that the main stream media has conveniently taken out of context, I mean it’s not like her phone number was ever posted on the Missoulian web site so other media people could contact her about their work together. I got the same feeling as Phats on this one there obviously is way more to the story then is being reported, like where are all of his sobber daytime texts? Why weren’t they reported on? Fake news as usual from Lee newspapers. God speed Jay, I wish you and your family good will and good health back home in Kansas.

I see what you did there, well played.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I wouldn't pick her up at 1:55 am at the MO Club. She went to report on a SEC team. I mean who in their right mind would choose that over the griz? I remember another snowflake girl who made some big claims against JJ a few years back. Let's see how this plays out. I have a feeling there's more to the story. But of course, no one from the Missoulian has ever done that? Right? lol.....

I’m with the Phatman on this one. He is spot on as usual, this really is right out of the U of M left wing playbook. Come on what forty-something married father of five would ever think of grabbing someone who looks like her by the ass, I mean it wasn’t even her pussy. And let’s be real she really isn’t attractive enough to sexually harass is she fellas? And who hasn’t at least once in their career told a female colleague that they have nice tits? Simply playful locker room banter between friends at most. Smh what a bunch of snowflakes. Phatman I can’t wait to hear more about your feelings on this smear campaign. I m thinking its probably pay back for his game ending cat-griz call. Riddle me this like how would Jay even have her phone number to send her those texts at 3:00 a.m. that the main stream media has conveniently taken out of context, I mean it’s not like her phone number was ever posted on the Missoulian web site so other media people could contact her about their work together. I got the same feeling as Phats on this one there obviously is way more to the story then is being reported, like where are all of his sobber daytime texts? Why weren’t they reported on? Fake news as usual from Lee newspapers. God speed Jay, I wish you and your family good will and good health back home in Kansas.

I see what you did there, well played.

You sure? :? :?

 

[Ursa Major]

I think a big part of what made her finally file a complaint were things that happened at the Big Sky Conference football kickoff in August.

Perhaps true, but the Big Sky media day looks like it was on July 18 in Spokane, not August.

"During the Big Sky Conference Media Days at the DoubleTree Hotel, EWU quarterback Gage Gubrud, left and defensive back Mitch Fettig wait to speak to reporters, Mon., July 16, 2018. (Colin Mulvany / The Spokesman-Review)

So, if the last straw was the media days, then she waited over 2 months to file the formal complaint with MSU, and filed it 8 days prior to announcing her acceptance of a new job in NO.

With both parties now living out of state, is this a good use of MSU's Title IX resources? Don't think UM continued with its proceeding after the Saudi student went back to Saudi Arabia, but maybe UM did.

Also, I recall that at UM a number of years ago, both parties were required to keep the UM proceedings confidential. An accuser had complained about that. Don't know MSU's rules. Looks like the reporter must have given the draft report to the Gazette/Missoulian, or someone did. MSU obviously has no way to enforce any such rule against the reporter, even if they have such a rule.

Assume the federal privacy rules prevent MSU from releasing the report or any details, whether involving a student or employee. Note that ongoing legal action of Krakauer against UM, and UM's arguments to not make information public.

From the article:

"Asked if the information contained in the report generally would lead to the dismissal of an employee, MSU vice president of university communications Tracy Ellig noted that he can’t speak to the specifics of any case and that each case is handled on an individual basis.

“The question you’re asking is one I can’t answer because, one, I can’t speak to a specific case, and two, the case you’re asking about is not finalized, and three, it’s entirely speculative because he no longer works here, and four, the majority of his employment was with Learfield,” Ellig said."

Here's the person doing the investigation for MSU, according to the article:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/victor-maxson-78753418

Oh good, we're getting to the stage where we question the victim.

Next stop on this well worn trail is we question her mental health stability and motivation, a quick stop at character assassination and then our final destination of fully blaming the victim.

Fun

Accusers are questioned in ever single proceeding in courts and probably most Title IX proceedings. That's how it's done. Why should accusers get passes, and the accused not?

Or, are you just a liberal who goes with narrative on things like this? Try thinking for yourself. Try using some common sense.

I'm not talking about court proceedings or stripping defendants of their ability to defend themselves. I used the pronoun 'we' to describe the typical reaction on e- griz when a woman comes forward with an accusation about a man abusing them. This also applies to any UM football player accused of any wrongdoing. This is how we- mostly YOU-- react to these situations.

You said as much in the Urban Meyer thread last fall when you admitted that you tend to defend high profile men who are accused of abuse/assault. This is a bias of yours. It's usually against females, the police or prosecutors. It usually supports those who are with power or are high profile.

This pattern and bias of yours is easily identifiable to anyone who regularly reads this board. You start with questions that invariably lead to a character assassination of the accuser.

It backfired with Beau.

 

[GGNez]

This is the part I don't understand....

“The assaults and harassment are why I decided to pursue a new opportunity and leave Montana,” Just said. “I was prepared to leave the journalism industry altogether had I not found another job.”

This guy was obviously in the wrong and a huge dipshit, but why would she have to leave the state and possibly journalism all together? She did a fine job covering the Griz, but I never got the sense she liked being in Missoula anyway. Regardless, no one should have to endure what she did.

This thread is why she had to leave Montana. I read this when it was only one page and thought to myself, "Where are the anti-Hauck, anti-eGriz people now? They should see all of these regular posters standing up for this woman against the creeper. Why do they paint eGrizzers and Griz Nation as a bunch of victim-blamers and mysogynists when so many are good guys with an obvious sense of right from wrong?"

Today, I roll my eyes. Sure, not all of the evidence is exposed and there are two sides...yada yada. But, anyone with a hint of common sense can read those texts and understand the scenario. NO....men don't need to be afraid to compliment women. No...it's not unusual or suspect that Amie gave the guy her number. I've given my number to a multitude of contacts, male and female, for many reasons. Creepy is creepy. We all know it. We know when we are on the receiving end of it, and a "creeper" knows when they are doing it.

So, you have a creeper touching your ass, giving you looks, sending you texts and otherwise has you in his "sights" as a potential sexual conquest and won't take no or unending hints. Do you ignore it? Most of us HAVE ignored it time after time after time. Do you report it? Well, if so, you become the subject of this discussion and a hundred more. What did she do to deserve this? Liberal vs Conservative nonsense, why did she....give him her number? Talk to him at that party? Etc etc etc.

It's a tired comparison but, if a guy was walking down the street at night and the Voice of the Bobcats mugged him, would we pick it apart like this? Would we bring up past cases where there were false accusations of robbery? Would we say "why was he walking down the street so late? Why was he flashing that expensive Rolex if he didn't want someone to take it from him? He has always been very generous with his money. Suddenly he doesn't want someone to take it?

Most of us know right from wrong. Most of you are clear on the situation here but, damn. What would you do? This happens to women ALL OF THE TIME. What would you do? What would you advise your daughter to do? Suck it up or open herself up as a target of exhaustive scrutiny and character assassination? Politics aside, football aside.....it just sucks.

 

[grizindabox]

This is the part I don't understand....

“The assaults and harassment are why I decided to pursue a new opportunity and leave Montana,” Just said. “I was prepared to leave the journalism industry altogether had I not found another job.”

This guy was obviously in the wrong and a huge dipshit, but why would she have to leave the state and possibly journalism all together? She did a fine job covering the Griz, but I never got the sense she liked being in Missoula anyway. Regardless, no one should have to endure what she did.

This thread is why she had to leave Montana. I read this when it was only one page and thought to myself, "Where are the anti-Hauck, anti-eGriz people now? They should see all of these regular posters standing up for this woman against the creeper. Why do they paint eGrizzers and Griz Nation as a bunch of victim-blamers and mysogynists when so many are good guys with an obvious sense of right from wrong?"

Today, I roll my eyes. Sure, not all of the evidence is exposed and there are two sides...yada yada. But, anyone with a hint of common sense can read those texts and understand the scenario. NO....men don't need to be afraid to compliment women. No...it's not unusual or suspect that Amie gave the guy her number. I've given my number to a multitude of contacts, male and female, for many reasons. Creepy is creepy. We all know it. We know when we are on the receiving end of it, and a "creeper" knows when they are doing it.

So, you have a creeper touching your ass, giving you looks, sending you texts and otherwise has you in his "sights" as a potential sexual conquest and won't take no or unending hints. Do you ignore it? Most of us HAVE ignored it time after time after time. Do you report it? Well, if so, you become the subject of this discussion and a hundred more. What did she do to deserve this? Liberal vs Conservative nonsense, why did she....give him her number? Talk to him at that party? Etc etc etc.

It's a tired comparison but, if a guy was walking down the street at night and the Voice of the Bobcats mugged him, would we pick it apart like this? Would we bring up past cases where there were false accusations of robbery? Would we say "why was he walking down the street so late? Why was he flashing that expensive Rolex if he didn't want someone to take it from him? He has always been very generous with his money. Suddenly he doesn't want someone to take it?

Most of us know right from wrong. Most of you are clear on the situation here but, damn. What would you do? This happens to women ALL OF THE TIME. What would you do? What would you advise your daughter to do? Suck it up or open herself up as a target of exhaustive scrutiny and character assassination? Politics aside, football aside.....it just sucks.

This

 

[mcg]

This is the part I don't understand....

“The assaults and harassment are why I decided to pursue a new opportunity and leave Montana,” Just said. “I was prepared to leave the journalism industry altogether had I not found another job.”

This guy was obviously in the wrong and a huge dipshit, but why would she have to leave the state and possibly journalism all together? She did a fine job covering the Griz, but I never got the sense she liked being in Missoula anyway. Regardless, no one should have to endure what she did.

This thread is why she had to leave Montana. I read this when it was only one page and thought to myself, "Where are the anti-Hauck, anti-eGriz people now? They should see all of these regular posters standing up for this woman against the creeper. Why do they paint eGrizzers and Griz Nation as a bunch of victim-blamers and mysogynists when so many are good guys with an obvious sense of right from wrong?"

Today, I roll my eyes. Sure, not all of the evidence is exposed and there are two sides...yada yada. But, anyone with a hint of common sense can read those texts and understand the scenario. NO....men don't need to be afraid to compliment women. No...it's not unusual or suspect that Amie gave the guy her number. I've given my number to a multitude of contacts, male and female, for many reasons. Creepy is creepy. We all know it. We know when we are on the receiving end of it, and a "creeper" knows when they are doing it.

So, you have a creeper touching your ass, giving you looks, sending you texts and otherwise has you in his "sights" as a potential sexual conquest and won't take no or unending hints. Do you ignore it? Most of us HAVE ignored it time after time after time. Do you report it? Well, if so, you become the subject of this discussion and a hundred more. What did she do to deserve this? Liberal vs Conservative nonsense, why did she....give him her number? Talk to him at that party? Etc etc etc.

It's a tired comparison but, if a guy was walking down the street at night and the Voice of the Bobcats mugged him, would we pick it apart like this? Would we bring up past cases where there were false accusations of robbery? Would we say "why was he walking down the street so late? Why was he flashing that expensive Rolex if he didn't want someone to take it from him? He has always been very generous with his money. Suddenly he doesn't want someone to take it?

Most of us know right from wrong. Most of you are clear on the situation here but, damn. What would you do? This happens to women ALL OF THE TIME. What would you do? What would you advise your daughter to do? Suck it up or open herself up as a target of exhaustive scrutiny and character assassination? Politics aside, football aside.....it just sucks.

This

Exactly this. thank you GG

 

[AZGrizFan]

This is the part I don't understand....

“The assaults and harassment are why I decided to pursue a new opportunity and leave Montana,” Just said. “I was prepared to leave the journalism industry altogether had I not found another job.”

This guy was obviously in the wrong and a huge dipshit, but why would she have to leave the state and possibly journalism all together? She did a fine job covering the Griz, but I never got the sense she liked being in Missoula anyway. Regardless, no one should have to endure what she did.

This thread is why she had to leave Montana. I read this when it was only one page and thought to myself, "Where are the anti-Hauck, anti-eGriz people now? They should see all of these regular posters standing up for this woman against the creeper. Why do they paint eGrizzers and Griz Nation as a bunch of victim-blamers and mysogynists when so many are good guys with an obvious sense of right from wrong?"

Today, I roll my eyes. Sure, not all of the evidence is exposed and there are two sides...yada yada. But, anyone with a hint of common sense can read those texts and understand the scenario. NO....men don't need to be afraid to compliment women. No...it's not unusual or suspect that Amie gave the guy her number. I've given my number to a multitude of contacts, male and female, for many reasons. Creepy is creepy. We all know it. We know when we are on the receiving end of it, and a "creeper" knows when they are doing it.

So, you have a creeper touching your ass, giving you looks, sending you texts and otherwise has you in his "sights" as a potential sexual conquest and won't take no or unending hints. Do you ignore it? Most of us HAVE ignored it time after time after time. Do you report it? Well, if so, you become the subject of this discussion and a hundred more. What did she do to deserve this? Liberal vs Conservative nonsense, why did she....give him her number? Talk to him at that party? Etc etc etc.

It's a tired comparison but, if a guy was walking down the street at night and the Voice of the Bobcats mugged him, would we pick it apart like this? Would we bring up past cases where there were false accusations of robbery? Would we say "why was he walking down the street so late? Why was he flashing that expensive Rolex if he didn't want someone to take it from him? He has always been very generous with his money. Suddenly he doesn't want someone to take it?

Most of us know right from wrong. Most of you are clear on the situation here but, damn. What would you do? This happens to women ALL OF THE TIME. What would you do? What would you advise your daughter to do? Suck it up or open herself up as a target of exhaustive scrutiny and character assassination? Politics aside, football aside.....it just sucks.

Great post. He's a creeper, no doubt...at best. Those texts gave me the heebie jeebies... :? :?