Update: Jack McGillis at Oregon State

[Swillbury]

When you judge Jack and when you say you won't be impressed until he is dropping 20 a game, please be reminded that you are judging a True Sophomore in the Pac10.

My credibility and other bloggers thoughts about my credibility on egriz.com isn't and has never been that much of a concern to me. And I have never once denied that I know Jack McGillis. Does it seem like I am trying to hide that? Am I missing something?

My point is this... Opinions will always be opinions and Facts will always be facts. In the McGillis -vs- "Montana" case, there were many unknowns a few years ago. But now, there are many Facts that support McGillis' case and the Opinions from the people in the know and the Opinions that ARE credible and should matter, are from those in the business of basketball, i.e...Coaches, FOX Television announcers, Portland/LA/Pheonix/Seattle Sports writers, Fellow teammates, opposing players/coaches. And those oppinions are almost always on McGillis' side. If you don't believe me, just turn your TV to Fox Sports one of these next Thurs or Saturday nights. You won't have to watch long before you hear an announcer talking very highly of "Mr. Montana that hails from Hellgate High in the city of Missoula". You will hear it early and often. An announcer from last weeks game regarded McGillis as "one of the most energetic players in the Pac10". That's not to bad of a regard coming from someone that knows as much as anyone about the toughest conference in America.

Personally, as a Montana fan, I could care less unless he turns out to be Kevin Durant or some sort of KD.

 

[Hells bells]

When you judge Jack and when you say you won't be impressed until he is dropping 20 a game, please be reminded that you are judging a True Sophomore in the Pac10.

My credibility and other bloggers thoughts about my credibility on egriz.com isn't and has never been that much of a concern to me. And I have never once denied that I know Jack McGillis. Does it seem like I am trying to hide that? Am I missing something?

My point is this... Opinions will always be opinions and Facts will always be facts. In the McGillis -vs- "Montana" case, there were many unknowns a few years ago. But now, there are many Facts that support McGillis' case and the Opinions from the people in the know and the Opinions that ARE credible and should matter, are from those in the business of basketball, i.e...Coaches, FOX Television announcers, Portland/LA/Pheonix/Seattle Sports writers, Fellow teammates, opposing players/coaches. And those oppinions are almost always on McGillis' side. If you don't believe me, just turn your TV to Fox Sports one of these next Thurs or Saturday nights. You won't have to watch long before you hear an announcer talking very highly of "Mr. Montana that hails from Hellgate High in the city of Missoula". You will hear it early and often. An announcer from last weeks game regarded McGillis as "one of the most energetic players in the Pac10". That's not to bad of a regard coming from someone that knows as much as anyone about the toughest conference in America.

Personally, as a Montana fan, I could care less unless he turns out to be Kevin Durant or some sort of KD.

aahhh...logic... :werd:

 

[Swillbury]

When you judge Jack and when you say you won't be impressed until he is dropping 20 a game, please be reminded that you are judging a True Sophomore in the Pac10.

My credibility and other bloggers thoughts about my credibility on egriz.com isn't and has never been that much of a concern to me. And I have never once denied that I know Jack McGillis. Does it seem like I am trying to hide that? Am I missing something?

My point is this... Opinions will always be opinions and Facts will always be facts. In the McGillis -vs- "Montana" case, there were many unknowns a few years ago. But now, there are many Facts that support McGillis' case and the Opinions from the people in the know and the Opinions that ARE credible and should matter, are from those in the business of basketball, i.e...Coaches, FOX Television announcers, Portland/LA/Pheonix/Seattle Sports writers, Fellow teammates, opposing players/coaches. And those oppinions are almost always on McGillis' side. If you don't believe me, just turn your TV to Fox Sports one of these next Thurs or Saturday nights. You won't have to watch long before you hear an announcer talking very highly of "Mr. Montana that hails from Hellgate High in the city of Missoula". You will hear it early and often. An announcer from last weeks game regarded McGillis as "one of the most energetic players in the Pac10". That's not to bad of a regard coming from someone that knows as much as anyone about the toughest conference in America.

Personally, as a Montana fan, I could care less unless he turns out to be Kevin Durant or some sort of KD.

aahhh...logic... :werd:

WORD

 

[Hells bells]

When you judge Jack and when you say you won't be impressed until he is dropping 20 a game, please be reminded that you are judging a True Sophomore in the Pac10.

My credibility and other bloggers thoughts about my credibility on egriz.com isn't and has never been that much of a concern to me. And I have never once denied that I know Jack McGillis. Does it seem like I am trying to hide that? Am I missing something?

My point is this... Opinions will always be opinions and Facts will always be facts. In the McGillis -vs- "Montana" case, there were many unknowns a few years ago. But now, there are many Facts that support McGillis' case and the Opinions from the people in the know and the Opinions that ARE credible and should matter, are from those in the business of basketball, i.e...Coaches, FOX Television announcers, Portland/LA/Pheonix/Seattle Sports writers, Fellow teammates, opposing players/coaches. And those oppinions are almost always on McGillis' side. If you don't believe me, just turn your TV to Fox Sports one of these next Thurs or Saturday nights. You won't have to watch long before you hear an announcer talking very highly of "Mr. Montana that hails from Hellgate High in the city of Missoula". You will hear it early and often. An announcer from last weeks game regarded McGillis as "one of the most energetic players in the Pac10". That's not to bad of a regard coming from someone that knows as much as anyone about the toughest conference in America.

Personally, as a Montana fan, I could care less unless he turns out to be Kevin Durant or some sort of KD.

aahhh...logic... :werd:

WORD

:shocked: ok thats it i am going to refrain from posting on less then 2 hours of sleep

 

[Seattle Griz Fan]

It's great Missoula and Montana kids can play at D-1 schools besides MSU and UM, but let's keep it in perspective. Oregon State is NOT a better team than Montana, and barely better than MSU. Sure they have prestige because they are in the Pac-10, but they have been pretty pathetic for a long time. Montana has been to the Big Dance 2 straight years. When is the last time OSU was in? I checked....1990! 17 years since they've had a sniff. Just because they get killed by quality Pac-10 teams, does not make them a good team.

Jack has only starting (4 games out of 20) because of injuries on a lousy team. Where does anyone think he'd be playing for the Griz? He wouldn't be playing ahead of Dlouhy. Chavez is the same player (actually I think much better than McGillis) and he can barely get any PT. Austin Swift was MUCH more highly touted and he almost never plays.

OSU is 1-7 in conference,with their only win over doormat 0-9 ASU. OSU went 5-13 in conference last year. 6-20 the past 2 years. He's on a terrible team. How is this a guy we let "slip away"?

OSU only beat Northern Colorado by 2! They have no wins over a team with a winning record*. Wins are over NCU (2-17) Montana State (5-13) , Howard (7-12), Cal-Poly (7-9) Portland (5-15), Western Oregon (NAIA?), Mercer (8-10), Bethune-Cookman (2-13) and ASU (5-14). That is a combined 41-113. And they've lost games by 28,44, and 45. Their Sagarin is 172. Montana's is 183. OSU's is only that high because they've lost to more quality teams, not by merit. Their most impressive win is over ASU, who is #207, which is artifically inflated as well, based on their losing to good teams. OSU's non-conference schedule makes ours look strong. They went out and scheduled absolute doormats (besides LSU). Bethune-Cookman is ranked 333 out of 336 teams. Howard and Northern Colorado are also 300+.

Jack and the Beavers played in front of home crowds of 2189, 2877 and 1221 in 3 straight games this year. They had home "crowds" of 434 and 482 last year. Yeah OSU is big-time. They are "Pac-10" in name only.

The fact that Oregon State is taking MSU and UM's rejects should be alarming to Beaver boosters, not alarming to us for letting him "get away". He's a borderline D-1 that would not play at any decent D-1 school. They are a continual doormat because they are recruiting the Jack McGillis'. The Griz are winning conference titles and getting into the NCAAs because we are recruiting players much better than Jack McGillis.

Maybe he could help MSU, but I don't think he'd play at all for the Griz. His dad played Football for MSU, so they probably thought they could get him to walk-on.

Also if you go suck it up against Butte High School when you're being scouted by D-1 coaches, you deserve to be skipped over. Let's face it: Montana high-school BB is brutal. One of the worst 3 or 4 states in the country. If you're 6'6" and a legit D-1 player, you should never have a bad game. You should dominate.

How Idaho didn't offer Dlouhy a schollie is a more legit question? Idaho is awful and they let a kid from their backyard go play and start for a 2+ time NCAA-tourney team. Idaho is 3-16 with 2 wins over South Dakota State and only 2 kids from the state of Idaho. pathetic! If you're gonna suck, at least give local kids schollies.



*All records are team's records vs. D-1 teams.

WOW!!! All I have to say, is that if your goal was for people not to think that you were an old jealous rival or underappreciated member of Jack's school... YOU BLEW IT! Your jealousy is so blatantly obvious, it is friggin' disgusting, classless and borderline hilarious.

You are one of three things. 1) The person I just described. 2) Larry Krystkowiak 3) Mick Durham

Either way...You all have made a huge mistake and obviously will say anything and everything you can to hang on to any last thread of credibility you thought you had...with acception to LK and his fortunate past. I am not a complete idiot.

And also, I don't think I have seen more precise stats, records and game information about anyone or any team than you described in Jack McGillis and Oregon State. It is blatantly obvious that you have some sort of uneasing jealousy and vengance for Jack that has caused you to spend hour upon hour researching facts that might make you sound slightly credible. And you're stats and info are incorrect. You tried to do a good job of discrediting Jack (whick, being from Montana, I don't know why you would want to do that? You think you'd be happy for him. Unless of course you had a jealousy issue.) But anyone who want the real stats and info on Mr. Montana and his OSU history...it can be seen on OSUBEAVERS.com and ESPN.com. For example...Zirg says McGillis has started 4 times due to injury. The easily researchable reality of that, is that McGillis started 1 (one) that's right... 1 time due to injury. The other 4... (four)...not three... were rightfully earned from his hard work and athleticism...sorry Zirg. For now...I would take a real caution as to what I read on "zirg".com. I mean, seriously Zirg, read your post. You would probably even dry heeve at the mere reading of it.

PS... Oregon State returning everyone next year... Plus the addition of Kansas product C.J. Giles. You had better enjoy their misfortunes in the NUMBER 1 conference in the NATION/COUNTRY while you can. Because ESPN voted OSU in the top 10 teams in the Country to be most improved in 2007-08. Uh...Oh... What does this do to your McGillis theory, Zirg? Maybe you should e-mail Andy Katz and see what can be done. The End

An obvious agenda working here.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Don’t forget that Lorenzo Romar gave Jack an opportunity to walk on at U-Dub, where he most likely would have red-shirted his freshman year, but most certainly would have earned a scholarship. Jack wanted to play right away, and when Oregon State gave him that opportunity, Jack took it.

Jack was never very interested in UM or MSU. He wanted to play in the Pac 10.

Who cares how he would have fared at UM? It’s a purely academic question at this point. The fact is, he’s a Montana kid having success in the Pac 10, and that’s pretty damn rare.

 

[Mavman]

A couple questions who calls this kid "Mr Montana" and when did this start? Also to the poster who stated that OSU was named as a top ten most improved team for next year, only poor teams can make great improvements!
Good luck jack hope you have a great career at OSU.

 

[monthoops]

Mr. Montana is what he has become known as in the Pac10. Not really sure as to why. I'm assuming it is because he was named 'Mr. Basketball Montana' in high school. It's what newspapers and Fox announcers call him. Just google it, maybe you can find out that way.

If anyone questions this and is interested in hearing McGillis called that name, he can be seen Saturday on Fox at 3:30 vs #3 UCLA.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Mr. Montana is what he has become known as in the Pac10. Not really sure as to why. I'm assuming it is because he was named 'Mr. Basketball Montana' in high school. It's what newspapers and Fox announcers call him. Just google it, maybe you can find out that way.

If anyone questions this and is interested in hearing McGillis called that name, he can be seen Saturday on Fox at 3:30 vs #3 UCLA.

It is too bad they simply put Jack "Mr Montana" on the weak side every offensive possession and never run a play for him.

 

[funny water]

Mr. Montana is what he has become known as in the Pac10. Not really sure as to why. I'm assuming it is because he was named 'Mr. Basketball Montana' in high school. It's what newspapers and Fox announcers call him. Just google it, maybe you can find out that way.

If anyone questions this and is interested in hearing McGillis called that name, he can be seen Saturday on Fox at 3:30 vs #3 UCLA.

It is too bad they simply put Jack "Mr Montana" on the weak side every offensive possession and never run a play for him.

i've only watched parts of two of oregon state's games this year - lsu (most of it) and one other. i was thinking the same thing. he always sits on the weak side. i was impressed by his hustle. i hope he does well. All this talk about the Pac 10 being the almighty - i think my Tar Heels proved that to be not the case last saturday.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Mr. Montana is what he has become known as in the Pac10. Not really sure as to why. I'm assuming it is because he was named 'Mr. Basketball Montana' in high school. It's what newspapers and Fox announcers call him. Just google it, maybe you can find out that way.

If anyone questions this and is interested in hearing McGillis called that name, he can be seen Saturday on Fox at 3:30 vs #3 UCLA.

It is too bad they simply put Jack "Mr Montana" on the weak side every offensive possession and never run a play for him.

i've only watched parts of two of oregon state's games this year - lsu (most of it) and one other. i was thinking the same thing. he always sits on the weak side. i was impressed by his hustle. i hope he does well. All this talk about the Pac 10 being the almighty - i think my Tar Heels proved that to be not the case last saturday.

The Pac 10 is a very good conference this year. The ACC is always pretty good, but no team is head and shoulders ahead of the rest. NC may have some trouble in the NCAA first round because of their youth. Williams has them playing much better since the Gonzaga game. I just hope Duke doesn't get too many more Homer jobs. that was pathetic.

 

[funny water]

yeah, i'm concerned about the youth a little. if they can get to the sweet 16 i think they should be a legit team to win it all. the first two games of the tourny scare me. as far as duke goes - mom always said to stay quiet if you don't have anything nice to say - i'm a tar heel fan - that says enough.

 

[Grizbacker1]

yeah, i'm concerned about the youth a little. if they can get to the sweet 16 i think they should be a legit team to win it all. the first two games of the tourny scare me. as far as duke goes - mom always said to stay quiet if you don't have anything nice to say - i'm a tar heel fan - that says enough.

You have a good Mom. I grew up a UCLA fan because of John Wooden so at least I can root for Bruins and Grizzlies. I will be available to take your $$ during March Madness. :thumb:

 

[Swillbury]

UCLA 07 Champs

DEFENSE!!!!!

DEFENSE!!!!

If Afflalo can put two halfs together, he will be a first round pick.

BRUINS FOR LIFE!!!

 

[Zirg]

I have no bias towards Jack whatsoever. I watched him today for the first time. I'd never seen him in any shape or form before, but believe what you want. He's terrible, the Beavers are a joke. The announcers are pitying Beaver fans. They pointed out the "not since 1990" stat that I did too. They are down 30 at halftime. McGillis had a Turn-over, Got juked into the air on Defense for an easy deuce and then shot an air-ball at the buzzer in the 5 minutes I saw. I couldn't be more unbiased actually. I just know he's nowhere near good enough to play for the Griz. I'll take Austin Swift or Stuart Mayes over him any day, and they can't get much PT here.

I like to look up stats to support my opinions. Opinions don't hold water without something to back it. Update:OSU and the Griz are now only 2 apart on the Sagarins.

 

[Zirg]

Holy crap, this game is not gonna be in any Jack McGillis highlight reels. This is like watching a dog getting beat. Brutal!

McGillis clank on 3-pt attempt, McGillis turnover, McGillis foul, McGillis rejected on dunk attempt, McGillis schooled on defense,McGillis another turnover. He couldn't play worse......EVER! Can't wait to see his stat-line for this one. Anyone watch this and think we let a good one get away?

Announcers are pulling out UCLA records that might fall, like "largest victory margin" and "fewest points allowed". This is Rock Bottom for Oregon State basketball.

Oh and yeah Jack now has 6! Starts. He only had 4 when I wrote the original, genius.

 

[Swillbury]

UCLA really handed to OSU today. That thing got ugly....early

 

[Ashamed]

UCLA 07 Champs

DEFENSE!!!!!

DEFENSE!!!!

If Afflalo can put two halfs together, he will be a first round pick.

BRUINS FOR LIFE!!!

I thought you were a big DUKE supporter??

 

[Mslacat]

Holy crap, this game is not gonna be in any Jack McGillis highlight reels. This is like watching a dog getting beat. Brutal!

McGillis clank on 3-pt attempt, McGillis turnover, McGillis foul, McGillis rejected on dunk attempt, McGillis schooled on defense,McGillis another turnover. He couldn't play worse......EVER! Can't wait to see his stat-line for this one. Anyone watch this and think we let a good one get away?

Announcers are pulling out UCLA records that might fall, like "largest victory margin" and "fewest points allowed". This is Rock Bottom for Oregon State basketball.

Oh and yeah Jack now has 6! Starts. He only had 4 when I wrote the original, genius.

If UCLA did that to OSU, think how bad it would have been against the griz!!!

 

[Grizbacker1]

Holy crap, this game is not gonna be in any Jack McGillis highlight reels. This is like watching a dog getting beat. Brutal!

McGillis clank on 3-pt attempt, McGillis turnover, McGillis foul, McGillis rejected on dunk attempt, McGillis schooled on defense,McGillis another turnover. He couldn't play worse......EVER! Can't wait to see his stat-line for this one. Anyone watch this and think we let a good one get away?

Announcers are pulling out UCLA records that might fall, like "largest victory margin" and "fewest points allowed". This is Rock Bottom for Oregon State basketball.

Oh and yeah Jack now has 6! Starts. He only had 4 when I wrote the original, genius.

If UCLA did that to OSU, think how bad it would have been against the griz!!!

Might not have been good, but you probably don't have much to talk about looking at your record. :dance: