Unbiased opinions needed...

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

It's stupid to believe that a basketball coach and opposing player would be in the same mindstate. Once again, an injury to Pargo is less of a concern to the person doing it than it is to the coach who partially (minimally) put him in that position. Why would the guy fouling be as concerned about pargo's well-being as his coach? They're on completely different sides of the altercation, it's completely reasonable to assume they would feel different afterwards.

It wasn't a knock on athletic ability or intelligence...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

GB1, I don't think the zags will be middle of the pack in the WCC. Do you? Really?

I NEVER said that. I said they would win the WCC, and likely win one game in the NCAA. Loulou then proceeded to tell me St Mary's is a top 25 team and the WCC is a top rated conference. I simply pointed out that St Mary's was #25 for about a day, then So Illinois beat them, followed by an ass kicking by Texas. I also said WCC was rated the #13 Conferecen. There was NO smack, simply facts. But that must have hurt poor little Loulou's feelings and rather than add something of substance, he decides to take shots at the Griz and the BSC. So, if you want to side with your Zag buddy, feel free. He is a pussy.

Can you please tell me where I wrote that the WCC is a top rated Conference?

You didn't. But these guys love to put words in our mouths and make unsuccessful retroactive attempts to justify the words that came out of their own.

 

[Lou]

You have to have a good pre season because you hardly get tested in league. You will have a couple close games, maybe drop one on the road, win them all at home, then get a better than deserved seed, and then who knows. Not trying to be mean about it, but thats how I see it. You guys will move up in the polls because you will get on a win streak in your conference that an ACC< PAC10, or SEC school won't.

Yeah I agree. We should get judged on an something we have no control over: our conferece. I get so sick of that. I don't know if you noticed, but The WCC isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is. Every team gives us their best shot everytime because of who we are. Besides, St. Maries is a top 25 team.
Also, we only have one "bad" loss this year so far. WSU, Oklahoma, and Tennessee are all great teams. I think some of the wins just go unnoticed. We have beat some high caliber teams, but, of course, no one gives us any respect for those.

You mean St Mary's WAS a top 25 team. They got beat the same week they cracked the top 25 by So Illionois and just got spanked by Texas. The WCC is ranked #13 by Sagarin with the Big Sky #22, so neither considered that good to be honest.

There is a huge difference between 13 and 22 for one. And for two: How many top 25 teams has the big sky had this year? Let me help you out, the same amount that they have every year 0.

We were discussing the Zags. You brought up how good St Maries (how you spelled it) is and how good the WCC is. I just posted factual info. If you want to change the subject because someone pointed out facts, then I guess that says a lot about you, but not all that big of a surprise. You called another poster out, and I called you out, and you backed down, that's fine.[/quote]

That's exactly right Ol' Neverwrong. We were discussing the Zags, until you had to throw in the Big Sky. Last I checked the Big Sky had nothing to do with the Zags, except for helping to pad their stats of course. So I wanted to talk about what YOU brought up. But I'll be more than happy to only discuss the Zags on here even though everytime I do you tell me to stop it? Not sure what to do now I'm confused. I talk about the Zags and you get mad. I don't talk about the Zags and you get mad. Why are you such an angry individual? By the way I just posted factual info too [/quote]

I added the Griz stats so your low self esteem woul dbe OK , at least I thought it would. You were the one who got off track when all I did was point out that St Mary's (correct spelling) was a top 25 team for about a day, and that the WCC wasn't rated as high as you apparently think they are. Of course 13 is better than 22, even you know that. Face it, you were stymied, and rather than take the penalty, you decided to try pulling off a miracle shot, and ended up OB instead. Thought I would use some golf vernacular, so maybe you could follow along. My guess is you are more like Rory Sabbatinni in real life, great when things are going your way, and no so much otherwise.[/quote]

Ol' Neverworng you are my hero. Remember when you mistyped something the other day and tried to act like you meant to say it? Yeah I would never do that. I am extremely sorry that I misspelled St. Mary's I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.
On the other note.....I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, I know you will try even when I'm right, I said that I think the WCC isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is. So you came in with your #13 stat and proved me right. People, or at least someone has the WCC as #13, I believe they are underrated. Thank you.
Now was that on topic enough for you to understand?

P.S. What the hell does woul dbe? Just kidding I can handle a misprint here and there. Guess I'm just easy going like that.[/quote]

Hey SFB,

If you think middle of the pack #13 is great, then have at it.

1 PACIFIC-10
2 BIG 12
3 ATLANTIC COAST
4 BIG EAST
5 BIG TEN
6 SOUTHEASTERN
7 MOUNTAIN WEST
8 MISSOURI VALLEY
9 ATLANTIC 10
10 HORIZON
11 CONFERENCE USA
12 MID-AMERICAN

13 WCC, oh yeah, that is top rated [/quote]

Ol' Neverwrong? Do you read my posts or just think of what you will say next? Listen this time, I wish I could draw you a picture to make this easier on both of us. I said, "I don't think the WCC is as bad as everyone thinks it is." Your stupid ranking has them at #13. Like I said I do not agree with what everyone else thinks, including your gay poll. I think it is better than everyone else thinks it is. Do you understand this????? Dear god it's like I'm playing cards with my brother's kids or something.[/quote]

My gay poll. Aren't you up a little late for a 2nd grader. Now Sagarin is gay eh? I bet you quote the hell out of him when the ziggies are ranked high though, don't ya loulou? :loser:[/quote]

So can you show me or are you just gonna keep spouting off about stuff that never happened??

 

[Lou]

You have to have a good pre season because you hardly get tested in league. You will have a couple close games, maybe drop one on the road, win them all at home, then get a better than deserved seed, and then who knows. Not trying to be mean about it, but thats how I see it. You guys will move up in the polls because you will get on a win streak in your conference that an ACC< PAC10, or SEC school won't.

Yeah I agree. We should get judged on an something we have no control over: our conferece. I get so sick of that. I don't know if you noticed, but The WCC isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is. Every team gives us their best shot everytime because of who we are. Besides, St. Maries is a top 25 team.
Also, we only have one "bad" loss this year so far. WSU, Oklahoma, and Tennessee are all great teams. I think some of the wins just go unnoticed. We have beat some high caliber teams, but, of course, no one gives us any respect for those.

You mean St Mary's WAS a top 25 team. They got beat the same week they cracked the top 25 by So Illionois and just got spanked by Texas. The WCC is ranked #13 by Sagarin with the Big Sky #22, so neither considered that good to be honest.

There is a huge difference between 13 and 22 for one. And for two: How many top 25 teams has the big sky had this year? Let me help you out, the same amount that they have every year 0.

We were discussing the Zags. You brought up how good St Maries (how you spelled it) is and how good the WCC is. I just posted factual info. If you want to change the subject because someone pointed out facts, then I guess that says a lot about you, but not all that big of a surprise. You called another poster out, and I called you out, and you backed down, that's fine.[/quote]

That's exactly right Ol' Neverwrong. We were discussing the Zags, until you had to throw in the Big Sky. Last I checked the Big Sky had nothing to do with the Zags, except for helping to pad their stats of course. So I wanted to talk about what YOU brought up. But I'll be more than happy to only discuss the Zags on here even though everytime I do you tell me to stop it? Not sure what to do now I'm confused. I talk about the Zags and you get mad. I don't talk about the Zags and you get mad. Why are you such an angry individual? By the way I just posted factual info too [/quote]

I added the Griz stats so your low self esteem woul dbe OK , at least I thought it would. You were the one who got off track when all I did was point out that St Mary's (correct spelling) was a top 25 team for about a day, and that the WCC wasn't rated as high as you apparently think they are. Of course 13 is better than 22, even you know that. Face it, you were stymied, and rather than take the penalty, you decided to try pulling off a miracle shot, and ended up OB instead. Thought I would use some golf vernacular, so maybe you could follow along. My guess is you are more like Rory Sabbatinni in real life, great when things are going your way, and no so much otherwise.[/quote]

Ol' Neverworng you are my hero. Remember when you mistyped something the other day and tried to act like you meant to say it? Yeah I would never do that. I am extremely sorry that I misspelled St. Mary's I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.
On the other note.....I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, I know you will try even when I'm right, I said that I think the WCC isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is. So you came in with your #13 stat and proved me right. People, or at least someone has the WCC as #13, I believe they are underrated. Thank you.
Now was that on topic enough for you to understand?

P.S. What the hell does woul dbe? Just kidding I can handle a misprint here and there. Guess I'm just easy going like that.[/quote]

Hey SFB,

If you think middle of the pack #13 is great, then have at it.

1 PACIFIC-10
2 BIG 12
3 ATLANTIC COAST
4 BIG EAST
5 BIG TEN
6 SOUTHEASTERN
7 MOUNTAIN WEST
8 MISSOURI VALLEY
9 ATLANTIC 10
10 HORIZON
11 CONFERENCE USA
12 MID-AMERICAN

13 WCC, oh yeah, that is top rated [/quote]

Ol' Neverwrong? Do you read my posts or just think of what you will say next? Listen this time, I wish I could draw you a picture to make this easier on both of us. I said, "I don't think the WCC is as bad as everyone thinks it is." Your stupid ranking has them at #13. Like I said I do not agree with what everyone else thinks, including your gay poll. I think it is better than everyone else thinks it is. Do you understand this????? Dear god it's like I'm playing cards with my brother's kids or something.[/quote]

My gay poll. Aren't you up a little late for a 2nd grader. Now Sagarin is gay eh? I bet you quote the hell out of him when the ziggies are ranked high though, don't ya loulou? :loser:[/quote]

I'm so glad we get to critique grammar and spelling on here now. I'm glad you agree that you have a gay poll. Hence the period at the end instead of the question mark. I think you meant to start with, "My gay poll?" But I'm glad you didn't and in turn agree that it is a gay poll.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It's stupid to believe that a basketball coach and opposing player would be in the same mindstate. Once again, an injury to Pargo is less of a concern to the person doing it than it is to the coach who partially (minimally) put him in that position. Why would the guy fouling be as concerned about pargo's well-being as his coach? They're on completely different sides of the altercation, it's completely reasonable to assume they would feel different afterwards.

It wasn't a knock on athletic ability or intelligence...

Yeah that would be stupid. I'm glad I don't believe that they would be in the same mindset. I just think that a human being should feel worse if he pulled a trigger than if he only sent the victim to the crime scene.

Clarification: I think that you saying that you would not feel bad for intentionally committing an act that has the potential to end one's career whilst saying that you would feel bad as the coach who called the play is mindnumbingly dense.

If you would have said "I can see, Butler being Butler, why he wouldn't feel bad." I would have not said a word. But you tied yourself to it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Now Lou, you should have known what he meant :naughty:

GB1, I too, am curious as to when and where Lou said that #13 is highly rated like you suggested he did.

 

[Grizbacker1]

GB1, I don't think the zags will be middle of the pack in the WCC. Do you? Really?

I NEVER said that. I said they would win the WCC, and likely win one game in the NCAA. Loulou then proceeded to tell me St Mary's is a top 25 team and the WCC is a top rated conference. I simply pointed out that St Mary's was #25 for about a day, then So Illinois beat them, followed by an ass kicking by Texas. I also said WCC was rated the #13 Conferecen. There was NO smack, simply facts. But that must have hurt poor little Loulou's feelings and rather than add something of substance, he decides to take shots at the Griz and the BSC. So, if you want to side with your Zag buddy, feel free. He is a pussy.

Oh, I thought that by saying middle of the pack WCC, you meant that we would finish middle of the pack in the WCC. Did you mean that #13 is the middle of the pack for conferences? If so, I get it. I should have read your mind again, I guess.

NO, IF you read you would have read where I said the WCC was rated #13. Hell, not a chance in hell the Zags will finish the season #13 or better. PM me your bets. And finish the season means just that, final rankings AFTER the NCAA's.

 

[Lou]

I knew Ol' Neverwrong couldn't show me where I said that. I'm beginning to think he made it up.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I knew Ol' Neverwrong couldn't show me where I said that. I'm beginning to think he made it up.

There is a first time for everything, you should try it more often. One more thing Louise, add some fiber to your diet, you are obviously totally full of shit.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

It's stupid to believe that a basketball coach and opposing player would be in the same mindstate. Once again, an injury to Pargo is less of a concern to the person doing it than it is to the coach who partially (minimally) put him in that position. Why would the guy fouling be as concerned about pargo's well-being as his coach? They're on completely different sides of the altercation, it's completely reasonable to assume they would feel different afterwards.

It wasn't a knock on athletic ability or intelligence...

Yeah that would be stupid. I'm glad I don't believe that they would be in the same mindset. I just think that a human being should feel worse if he pulled a trigger than if he only sent the victim to the crime scene.

Clarification: I think that you saying that you would not feel bad for intentionally committing an act that has the potential to end one's career whilst saying that you would feel bad as the coach who called the play is mindnumbingly dense.

If you would have said "I can see, Butler being Butler, why he wouldn't feel bad." I would have not said a word. But you tied yourself to it.

Read into it what you want. I don't care. He should, but it's the heat of the moment stuff and he probably didn't at the time. I doubt I would considering the situation at the time. This is in the few seconds following. The ones where Few looked like he was going to throw up. I'm sure I would feel guilt later—and I've been in a similar but not nearly as violent or extreme situation—but at the time and the few seconds after it, I'd still be fuming.

Do you want egriz bucks too??

 

[Lou]

GB1, I don't think the zags will be middle of the pack in the WCC. Do you? Really?

I NEVER said that. I said they would win the WCC, and likely win one game in the NCAA. Loulou then proceeded to tell me St Mary's is a top 25 team and the WCC is a top rated conference. I simply pointed out that St Mary's was #25 for about a day, then So Illinois beat them, followed by an ass kicking by Texas. I also said WCC was rated the #13 Conferecen. There was NO smack, simply facts. But that must have hurt poor little Loulou's feelings and rather than add something of substance, he decides to take shots at the Griz and the BSC. So, if you want to side with your Zag buddy, feel free. He is a pussy.

Oh, I thought that by saying middle of the pack WCC, you meant that we would finish middle of the pack in the WCC. Did you mean that #13 is the middle of the pack for conferences? If so, I get it. I should have read your mind again, I guess.

NO, IF you read you would have read where I said the WCC was rated #13. Hell, not a chance in hell the Zags will finish the season #13 or better. PM me your bets. And finish the season means just that, final rankings AFTER the NCAA's.

Where do you come up with this stuff? Nobody said that the Zags would be #13 dude. Are you drinking tonight Ol' Neverwrong?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

GB1, I don't think the zags will be middle of the pack in the WCC. Do you? Really?

I NEVER said that. I said they would win the WCC, and likely win one game in the NCAA. Loulou then proceeded to tell me St Mary's is a top 25 team and the WCC is a top rated conference. I simply pointed out that St Mary's was #25 for about a day, then So Illinois beat them, followed by an ass kicking by Texas. I also said WCC was rated the #13 Conferecen. There was NO smack, simply facts. But that must have hurt poor little Loulou's feelings and rather than add something of substance, he decides to take shots at the Griz and the BSC. So, if you want to side with your Zag buddy, feel free. He is a pussy.

Oh, I thought that by saying middle of the pack WCC, you meant that we would finish middle of the pack in the WCC. Did you mean that #13 is the middle of the pack for conferences? If so, I get it. I should have read your mind again, I guess.

NO, IF you read you would have read where I said the WCC was rated #13. Hell, not a chance in hell the Zags will finish the season #13 or better. PM me your bets. And finish the season means just that, final rankings AFTER the NCAA's.

Oh, I saw that the WCC is #13. I just must have missed something because I thought you said that if Lou thinks that middle of the pack #13 is great than have at it.

::Checking::

Yep, that was the quote.

I should have read your mind, then, that you meant the conference and not the team?

 

[Lou]

I knew Ol' Neverwrong couldn't show me where I said that. I'm beginning to think he made it up.

There is a first time for everything, you should try it more often. One more thing Louise, add some fiber to your diet, you are obviously totally full of shit.

That's funny. I'm full of shit, but you are the one making things up. CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT THE WCC IS OR SHOULD BE A TOP RATED CONFERENCE? If I said it I just want to know where. Please tell me. I've read every post twice and still can't find it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It's stupid to believe that a basketball coach and opposing player would be in the same mindstate. Once again, an injury to Pargo is less of a concern to the person doing it than it is to the coach who partially (minimally) put him in that position. Why would the guy fouling be as concerned about pargo's well-being as his coach? They're on completely different sides of the altercation, it's completely reasonable to assume they would feel different afterwards.

It wasn't a knock on athletic ability or intelligence...

Yeah that would be stupid. I'm glad I don't believe that they would be in the same mindset. I just think that a human being should feel worse if he pulled a trigger than if he only sent the victim to the crime scene.

Clarification: I think that you saying that you would not feel bad for intentionally committing an act that has the potential to end one's career whilst saying that you would feel bad as the coach who called the play is mindnumbingly dense.

If you would have said "I can see, Butler being Butler, why he wouldn't feel bad." I would have not said a word. But you tied yourself to it.

Read into it what you want. I don't care. He should, but it's the heat of the moment stuff and he probably didn't at the time. I doubt I would considering the situation at the time. This is in the few seconds following. The ones where Few looked like he was going to throw up. I'm sure I would feel guilt later—and I've been in a similar but not nearly as violent or extreme situation—but at the time and the few seconds after it, I'd still be fuming.

Do you want egriz bucks too??

OK, I'll read into it about as far as the surface and take exactly what you said as your opinion. Now, you are saying you would feel remorse afterward but you must be riding a free wheel bike because backpedaling is getting you nowhere. I have to take you initial answer because I'm trying not to read into it as per your request. Fight or flight makes one look like he wants to throw up. In Few's case, I would guess it was the former. Good thing it wasn't you, or you would have acted on it you big man, you.

 

[Lou]

Ol' Neverwrong, did you make that up about me saying the WCC should be a top rated conference?

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

Haven't we already gone over how I would've felt if I were Few?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I knew Ol' Neverwrong couldn't show me where I said that. I'm beginning to think he made it up.

There is a first time for everything, you should try it more often. One more thing Louise, add some fiber to your diet, you are obviously totally full of shit.

Oh, bolding to take things out of context is a great way to make oneself feel better. I can do it too.

I NEVER said that. I said they would win the WCC, and likely win one game in the NCAA. Loulou then proceeded to tell me St Mary's is a top 25 team and the WCC is a top rated conference. I simply pointed out that St Mary's was #25 for about a day, then So Illinois beat them, followed by an ass kicking by Texas. I also said WCC was rated the #13 Conferecen. There was NO smack, simply facts.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I knew Ol' Neverwrong couldn't show me where I said that. I'm beginning to think he made it up.

There is a first time for everything, you should try it more often. One more thing Louise, add some fiber to your diet, you are obviously totally full of shit.

Oh, bolding to take things out of context is a great way to make oneself feel better. I can do it too.

I NEVER said that. I said they would win the WCC, and likely win one game in the NCAA. Loulou then proceeded to tell me St Mary's is a top 25 team and the WCC is a top rated conference. I simply pointed out that St Mary's was #25 for about a day, then So Illinois beat them, followed by an ass kicking by Texas. I also said WCC was rated the #13 Conferecen. There was NO smack, simply facts.

Just when I think you might be above Lou's childish crap, you prove me wrong. Now you know why Zag fans are considered assholes.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I knew Ol' Neverwrong couldn't show me where I said that. I'm beginning to think he made it up.

There is a first time for everything, you should try it more often. One more thing Louise, add some fiber to your diet, you are obviously totally full of shit.

Oh, bolding to take things out of context is a great way to make oneself feel better. I can do it too.

I NEVER said that. I said they would win the WCC, and likely win one game in the NCAA. Loulou then proceeded to tell me St Mary's is a top 25 team and the WCC is a top rated conference. I simply pointed out that St Mary's was #25 for about a day, then So Illinois beat them, followed by an ass kicking by Texas. I also said WCC was rated the #13 Conferecen. There was NO smack, simply facts.

Just when I think you might be above Lou's childish crap, you prove me wrong. Now you know why Zag fans are considered assholes.

I think you may have just identified the tactic you started as being "childish" and "crap". Yes. Yes, you did. But I couldn;t resist continuing it......ok.....I'm done......I swear..... :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Lou]

I knew Ol' Neverwrong couldn't show me where I said that. I'm beginning to think he made it up.

There is a first time for everything, you should try it more often. One more thing Louise, add some fiber to your diet, you are obviously totally full of shit.

Oh, bolding to take things out of context is a great way to make oneself feel better. I can do it too.

I NEVER said that. I said they would win the WCC, and likely win one game in the NCAA. Loulou then proceeded to tell me St Mary's is a top 25 team and the WCC is a top rated conference. I simply pointed out that St Mary's was #25 for about a day, then So Illinois beat them, followed by an ass kicking by Texas. I also said WCC was rated the #13 Conferecen. There was NO smack, simply facts.

Just when I think you might be above Lou's childish crap, you prove me wrong. Now you know why Zag fans are considered assholes.

Oh I get it CDA....He can dish it out but can't take it.

BTW Ol' Neverwrong: Can you show me where I said that the WCC should be considered a top rated conference?