UMs Gone Girl

[AZGrizFan]

I get your point. In the big picture, I believe that Alpha is just saying that TG doesn't measure up to the Griz DCs of old or his teams just haven't been as dominant as past Griz defenses. I know many players like Ty's Ra Ra style and the fact that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. I think his defenses have improved slightly under his tenure. But to say the Griz D has been "good" under his reign is certainly a point that can be argued by reasonable fans. Maybe adequate, improving or "work in progress" are a more accurate discriptions. Ty's D has certainly never been highly ranked nationally. And the fact that some of the stats are skewed in his favor because of the quality of the competition, doesn't help his cause.... A positive T/O ratio is great when it's coming against teams like MSU, South Dakota et al. But the fact that it's not happening
against CC, EWU or NDSU is an issue IMO. My point is this, in Ty's case, the high yardage outputs by the good team is indicative of something. You can't just rave about the scoring defense and downplay the other defensive statistics that his defenses have produced.

NDSU doesn't play 11 UNI's every year either. EVERY team has its share of cupcakes, and EVERY team pads its stats against said cupcakes. Why single out the GRIZ?

My intent wasn't to single out the Griz for the weak schedule but to focus attention on their good defensive stats against the lesser teams.Yes NDSU plays the "cupcakes" too but they also play well against the good teams on their schedule. That's the point. The Griz D needs to have better stats against the good teams that they face on a yearly basis. If they did, TG would get more respect IMO.

Well, NDSU has proven beyond any doubt they are head and shoulders above EVERY FCS team (and many Big 10 teams :lol: ), so at this point that's probably not a fair comparison. Against pretty much 98% of the REST of the FCS, the Griz D compares very favorably. IMHO. And no, that doesn't make me a PR protege.

 

[poorgriz]

My intent wasn't to single out the Griz for the weak schedule but to focus attention on their good defensive stats against the lesser teams.Yes NDSU plays the "cupcakes" too but they also play well against the good teams on their schedule. That's the point. The Griz D needs to have better stats against the good teams that they face on a yearly basis. If they did, TG would get more respect IMO.

This past season, his defense did great in limiting the likes of MSU and to some extent EWU's offense. Unfortunately, what Ty's defenses have not done is limit or control the better offenses come the playoffs. That is the next step that is needed for the GRIZ defense and Gregorak to be given more respect. :thumb:

MSU was without Prukop and Shaun Johnson so I wouldn't put too much confidence in that one. We did play good D the second time against EWU though.

Wouldn't have mattered if you had those two, same result possibly worse. Bleskin gave you guys the best chance to win and you saw what happened.

lol

 

[UMGriz75]

MSU was without Prukop and Shaun Johnson so I wouldn't put too much confidence in that one.

Of course, at the time, Wombat fans were "claiming" ....

by IroneagleXP
Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:45 pm
Bwahahah...please. Even without Prukop, MSU will lay the wood to you in your house. Please quote me on this.

 

[Htowngriz]

MSU was without Prukop and Shaun Johnson so I wouldn't put too much confidence in that one.

Of course, at the time, Wombat fans were "claiming" ....

by IroneagleXP
Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:45 pm
Bwahahah...please. Even without Prukop, MSU will lay the wood to you in your house. Please quote me on this.

 

[spsyk]

[ I for one believe Stitt having an improved offense and allow a DC to play more aggressively will help.

It is a presumption that the offense will be improved. It remains to be seen.

Coach Stitt is an offensive genius, how can it not be improved.

Presumption, not, reality distortion on the faithful,absolutely.

 

[Umista]

Blame the coach is the oldest weak fan's excuse and it's still working. Dumb fans and good fans alike seem to forget about the caliber/skill of their players. When the refs aren't available we opt to bitch about our coach as he is always the fall guy. I have done that as most of you have.

Lets face it we have not had the # 1 defensive players in our program during Gregorak's coaching period. Yes, we have had some great players but not 11-15 of them on his watch. I don't think Ty is a genius at defensive coaching.....But, my opinion's take into account his new coaching duties and his progress. I visit with him every season one on one and he has come along way. I like his ra ra attitude and his acknowledgement of the areas his teams need to improve on. The players like him. He knows some of the best defenses do NOT practice tackling as it causes way to many injuries. He has OVER practiced and has some seriously injured players because of it. He has mentioned the lack of second string players being up to par and subsequently used kids that were injured and border line in games. All coaches hate to do this but it's part of the game. I tend to think we have a few more good second rung players that are able to help us out a great deal. Many of the injured were in the defensive backfield the past few years.

It is way to easy to criticize! We sit back and bitch but most of the fans don't have a clue. Like it or not we have a good defensive coach and when you folks notice this seasons defense come on back in the pool and quit peeing!

 

[TCCGRIZ]

Tackling let's talk about that . When my 10 year old son is in disbelieve in the stands at the lack of proper tackling I think there is an issue :shock: . I agree you do not want the players going balls out at practice ,but c'mon man your talking about one of the most fundamental things in football ( hence the name Tackle Football !! ) You can still teach proper technique . Also remind players everyday on it .

 

[spsyk]

Tackling let's talk about that . When my 10 year old son is in disbelieve in the stands at the lack of proper tackling I think there is an issue :shock: . I agree you do not want the players going balls out at practice ,but c'mon man your talking about one of the most fundamental things in football ( hence the name Tackle Football !! ) You can still teach proper technique . Also remind players everyday on it .

You should be proud of your observant son, however did he ever play the game.?

 

[TCCGRIZ]

Tackling let's talk about that . When my 10 year old son is in disbelieve in the stands at the lack of proper tackling I think there is an issue :shock: . I agree you do not want the players going balls out at practice ,but c'mon man your talking about one of the most fundamental things in football ( hence the name Tackle Football !! ) You can still teach proper technique . Also remind players everyday on it .

You should be proud of your observant son, however did he ever play the game.?

Things he loves :
#1 Football / Food
#2 Shooting Guns
#3 Baseball
#4 Lego's
and yes he plays football

 

[SaskGriz]

You know why our defense spends so much time on the field?

ITS BECAUSE THEY NEVER MAKE PLAYS ON 3RD DOWN TO GET OFF THE FIELD

The defense the last 3 years is a f***[*] joke and there are no excuses, its the guy coordinating it. Period end of story.

Great defenses get off the field and it doesnt matter what the offense does. Just like the Bears and Ravens defenses when they won Super Bowls, they had shit offenses, the Ravens had to score on defense to put points on the board.

Anyone that knows a damn thing about football knows the Griz havent had a GOOD defense since over a decade ago.


FYI
A good defense would give up under 300 yards a game and maybe around 15-17 ppg

A great defense gives up 230-280 yards a game and under 13 ppg.

Quit lying to yourselves.

The 2006 Griz d - 266.36 yards per game and 16.1 ppg. This would by your own definition be a GOOD defense and has been in the last decade.

Troll and facts, not a compatible mixture.

Like I said a decade ago......... pops there's a fact

Actually 2006 is 8 seasons ago and your post says "in over a decade" so that would be at least 11 years of scope. If 8 and 11+ are the same number to you, glad you didn't build my house. In the post that was shut down from yesterday (because you made a crude sexual comment about one of the Griz coaches and posters who support him, class move that) you claimed that the GRIZ haven't had a good defense since 2001, so really I was cutting you some slack.

Anyway the adults are talking now so please run along.

 

[Alaska Griz]

Blame the coach is the oldest weak fan's excuse and it's still working. Dumb fans and good fans alike seem to forget about the caliber/skill of their players. When the refs aren't available we opt to bitch about our coach as he is always the fall guy. I have done that as most of you have.

Lets face it we have not had the # 1 defensive players in our program during Gregorak's coaching period. Yes, we have had some great players but not 11-15 of them on his watch. I don't think Ty is a genius at defensive coaching.....But, my opinion's take into account his new coaching duties and his progress. I visit with him every season one on one and he has come along way. I like his ra ra attitude and his acknowledgement of the areas his teams need to improve on. The players like him. He knows some of the best defenses do NOT practice tackling as it causes way to many injuries. He has OVER practiced and has some seriously injured players because of it. He has mentioned the lack of second string players being up to par and subsequently used kids that were injured and border line in games. All coaches hate to do this but it's part of the game. I tend to think we have a few more good second rung players that are able to help us out a great deal. Many of the injured were in the defensive backfield the past few years.

It is way to easy to criticize! We sit back and bitch but most of the fans don't have a clue. Like it or not we have a good defensive coach and when you folks notice this seasons defense come on back in the pool and quit peeing!

Well said, though I think the talent is there, and I'm certainly excited to see Gregorak one more year into the game. His D last year was just as good as Breske's D when Phlugrad was here, and he has even less years as DC. Again, the offense was frustrating last year. I though the defensive improvement was actually a breath of fresh air, and we made alot of stops on 4th and short last year, which isn't easy.

 

[Ursus1]

After how the offense looked in Helena (sugar coated by many/press) the defense better be stellar because 3 and outs are going to be the norm! It was a disorganized cluster $%#@.

 

[Alaska Griz]

After how the offense looked in Helena (sugar coated by many/press) the defense better be stellar because 3 and outs are going to be the norm! It was a disorganized cluster $%#@.

Evaluating offense and defense from a fan perspective based off of Spring scrimmages is not that helpful.
If the defense does good, the offense is bad...visa versa) If it's balanced then nobody is standing out...and so on.

I don't get too caught up in stats for spring. More concerned that the team improves throughout the season. I do expect a good defense to have the upperhand on an offense this early in the process. If the offense is overly dominant in spring ball, then I worry a bit. I'm pretty jacked about the season. I have high expectations for this team, and I believe Stitt does as well.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

In 2014, UM Defense held all opponents to an average of 16 points, including offensive "powerhouses" North Dakota State to 10 points and MSU to 7 points. Eastern got away with 20 points which was the lowest score EWU had all season. UM held MSU to its lowest score all season, and UM held NDS to its second lowest score all season (3, at Northern Iowa).

Wrong 21.3ppg

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You know why our defense spends so much time on the field?

ITS BECAUSE THEY NEVER MAKE PLAYS ON 3RD DOWN TO GET OFF THE FIELD

The defense the last 3 years is a f***[*] joke and there are no excuses, its the guy coordinating it. Period end of story.

Great defenses get off the field and it doesnt matter what the offense does. Just like the Bears and Ravens defenses when they won Super Bowls, they had shit offenses, the Ravens had to score on defense to put points on the board.

Anyone that knows a damn thing about football knows the Griz havent had a GOOD defense since over a decade ago.


FYI
A good defense would give up under 300 yards a game and maybe around 15-17 ppg

A great defense gives up 230-280 yards a game and under 13 ppg.

Quit lying to yourselves.

The 2006 Griz d - 266.36 yards per game and 16.1 ppg. This would by your own definition be a GOOD defense and has been in the last decade.

Troll and facts, not a compatible mixture.

Like I said a decade ago......... pops there's a fact

Actually 2006 is 8 seasons ago and your post says "in over a decade" so that would be at least 11 years of scope. If 8 and 11+ are the same number to you, glad you didn't build my house. In the post that was shut down from yesterday (because you made a crude sexual comment about one of the Griz coaches and posters who support him, class move that) you claimed that the GRIZ haven't had a good defense since 2001, so really I was cutting you some slack.

Anyway the adults are talking now so please run along.

........that's all you got? Lame and deflect

 

[CV Griz Fan]

In 2014, UM Defense held all opponents to an average of 16 points, including offensive "powerhouses" North Dakota State to 10 points and MSU to 7 points. Eastern got away with 20 points which was the lowest score EWU had all season. UM held MSU to its lowest score all season, and UM held NDS to its second lowest score all season (3, at Northern Iowa).

Wrong 21.3ppg

Hmmmm......Does oredigger need to come back and teach basic math lessons to egriz or maybe it's a just memory issues? Eastern scored 36 and 37 on the Griz. NDSU scored 22 on the Griz. Maybe he is talking about first half scores?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

In 2014, UM Defense held all opponents to an average of 16 points, including offensive "powerhouses" North Dakota State to 10 points and MSU to 7 points. Eastern got away with 20 points which was the lowest score EWU had all season. UM held MSU to its lowest score all season, and UM held NDS to its second lowest score all season (3, at Northern Iowa).

Wrong 21.3ppg

Hmmmm......Does oredigger need to come back and teach basic math lessons to egriz or maybe it's a just memory issues? Eastern scored 36 and 37 on the Griz. NDSU scored 22 on the Griz. Maybe he is talking about first half scores?

http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/teamcume.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[kemajic]

What happened?

Quarterback was touched by a few defenders deep in offensive territory and the refs didn't call it. G was pretty fired up about the refs not calling it and said something like, "Did you not see my guys touch him back there? We can't tackle the guy!"

It was pretty funny hearing him yell during that play.

Hmmm.... Maybe if TG would have been that passionate about all the missed tackles during his first three years, that area of the D would've improved. TG will always lean to more bravado than substance IMO.....

If you had been paying attention, you'd have noticed that tackling was markedly improved last season.

CPSLO didn't get that memo.

 

[kemajic]

UM had the top defense in the Big Sky conference last year. And the Big Sky had more offenses putting up big numbers than any other conference. The Big Sky offenses influence defensive stats.

It's also quite possible that BSC offenses put up big numbers because they work against weak defenses. Montana, NAU and UND seem to be the only programs that even care about D.

 

[kemajic]

I get your point. In the big picture, I believe that Alpha is just saying that TG doesn't measure up to the Griz DCs of old or his teams just haven't been as dominant as past Griz defenses. I know many players like Ty's Ra Ra style and the fact that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. I think his defenses have improved slightly under his tenure. But to say the Griz D has been "good" under his reign is certainly a point that can be argued by reasonable fans. Maybe adequate, improving or "work in progress" are a more accurate discriptions. Ty's D has certainly never been highly ranked nationally. And the fact that some of the stats are skewed in his favor because of the quality of the competition, doesn't help his cause.... A positive T/O ratio is great when it's coming against teams like MSU, South Dakota et al. But the fact that it's not happening
against CC, EWU or NDSU is an issue IMO. My point is this, in Ty's case, the high yardage outputs by the good team is indicative of something. You can't just rave about the scoring defense and downplay the other defensive statistics that his defenses have produced.

NDSU doesn't play 11 UNI's every year either. EVERY team has its share of cupcakes, and EVERY team pads its stats against said cupcakes. Why single out the GRIZ?

My intent wasn't to single out the Griz for the weak schedule but to focus attention on their good defensive stats against the lesser teams.Yes NDSU plays the "cupcakes" too but they also play well against the good teams on their schedule. That's the point. The Griz D needs to have better stats against the good teams that they face on a yearly basis. If they did, TG would get more respect IMO.

This past season, his defense did great in limiting the likes of MSU and to some extent EWU's offense. Unfortunately, what Ty's defenses have not done is limit or control the better offenses come the playoffs. That is the next step that is needed for the GRIZ defense and Gregorak to be given more respect. :thumb:

The CPSLO game was not a playoff game.