UMs Gone Girl

[grizcountry420]

What metric are you using for this? I'm kind of confused as to how you can lead the conference in every defensive category if you're "bad" at tackling.

Leading the BSC in tackling? Quick get the trophy made....TG's defense does GREAT against MSU and the "seven sisters of the poor". I think that's the point.....

If a team leads the conference in tackling, that means the defense is on the field WAY too much..

Also, I am not saying that TG's D won't be improved in 2015. I think Stitt will be more demanding of Ty then Delaney was. Having a new boss tends to motivate you.

I agree..

 

[WaGriz4life]

If you had been paying attention, you'd have noticed that tackling was markedly improved last season.

Improving from awful to bad isn't exactly "markedly improved"..... "Better "would be more appropriate

Anyone who can't see that 2014's D was light years better at the fundamentals than the 2013 D is just blind.

This

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

...anybody else see stitt settle down gregorek...
...early in the scrimmage..either taking it way to serious...
...or he had one to many bags of m and m's...

... ...

What happened?

Quarterback was touched by a few defenders deep in offensive territory and the refs didn't call it. G was pretty fired up about the refs not calling it and said something like, "Did you not see my guys touch him back there? We can't tackle the guy!"

It was pretty funny hearing him yell during that play.

Hmmm.... Maybe if TG would have been that passionate about all the missed tackles during his first three years, that area of the D would've improved. TG will always lean to more bravado than substance IMO.....

You get "it"

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The defense was very good last year, and Gregorak is a very good and upcoming DC. That's why Stitt kept him and has said that he's basically turned the defense over to Gregorak and the defensive coaches. Stitt could have hired someone else, so his hiring of Gregorak says a lot.

UM had the top defense in the Big Sky conference last year. And the Big Sky had more offenses putting up big numbers than any other conference. The Big Sky offenses influence defensive stats.

UM was very good in things like sacks and red zone defense last year. The offense was better last year, and didn't end up putting as much pressure on the defense as it had in prior years, but there were still games like NDSU and others (even the EWU games) in which the offense didn't perform well enough to keep the defense off the field. It is also true that the defense didn't make enough stops on 3d downs.

Anyone who says the defense wasn't good last year, is either trolling or does not have a clue about the game of football. The defense and Gregorak were very good last year. They were far from perfect, and yes, they were not a "championship" defense, but they were good and often damn good most of the time.

Lies and spin...........never would have suspected it would come from you..........wait..........yes I would thats what you do to keep being pivotman in the circle jerk.

Jerk

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If you had been paying attention, you'd have noticed that tackling was markedly improved last season.

Improving from awful to bad isn't exactly "markedly improved"..... "Better "would be more appropriate

Anyone who can't see that 2014's D was light years better at the fundamentals than the 2013 D is just blind.

Cool they both sucked but one sucked less.........yeah, we are the cats!

 

[SaskGriz]

You know why our defense spends so much time on the field?

ITS BECAUSE THEY NEVER MAKE PLAYS ON 3RD DOWN TO GET OFF THE FIELD

The defense the last 3 years is a f***[*] joke and there are no excuses, its the guy coordinating it. Period end of story.

Great defenses get off the field and it doesnt matter what the offense does. Just like the Bears and Ravens defenses when they won Super Bowls, they had shit offenses, the Ravens had to score on defense to put points on the board.

Anyone that knows a damn thing about football knows the Griz havent had a GOOD defense since over a decade ago.


FYI
A good defense would give up under 300 yards a game and maybe around 15-17 ppg

A great defense gives up 230-280 yards a game and under 13 ppg.

Quit lying to yourselves.

The 2006 Griz d - 266.36 yards per game and 16.1 ppg. This would by your own definition be a GOOD defense and has been in the last decade.

Troll and facts, not a compatible mixture.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

You know why our defense spends so much time on the field?

ITS BECAUSE THEY NEVER MAKE PLAYS ON 3RD DOWN TO GET OFF THE FIELD

The defense the last 3 years is a f***[*] joke and there are no excuses, its the guy coordinating it. Period end of story.

Great defenses get off the field and it doesnt matter what the offense does. Just like the Bears and Ravens defenses when they won Super Bowls, they had shit offenses, the Ravens had to score on defense to put points on the board.

Anyone that knows a damn thing about football knows the Griz havent had a GOOD defense since over a decade ago.


FYI
A good defense would give up under 300 yards a game and maybe around 15-17 ppg

A great defense gives up 230-280 yards a game and under 13 ppg.

Quit lying to yourselves.

The 2006 Griz d - 266.36 yards per game and 16.1 ppg. This would by your own definition be a GOOD defense and has been in the last decade.

Troll and facts, not a compatible mixture.

Are you really calling out Alpha for being one year off from a full decade? Talk about hairsplitting..... Jeez

 

[SaskGriz]

Start by saying that I am not an apologist for the GRIZ d. I drove down from Saskatchewan in 2013 and sat in the NEZ for the play-off game. The poor performance of that defense against Coastal Carolina is FROZEN in my brain.

I also don't pretend to be unbiased. If Brint wears Maroon colored glasses, mine are maroon with silver frames, my other pair are copper, silver and gold and I left the case for them at Dornblazer Field. I support every player and who ever pulls on a GRIZ jersey, like my own children, they aren't perfect but they bring me joy.

Now getting to the point. If you look at the stats from 2014 there are a couple of things that stand out that put extra pressure on Coach Gregorak's boys;

1. We were 100 out of 125 in time of possession, that means are D was on the field for a lot more plays. Ask Coach Stitt about the importance of forcing a defense to defend more plays, it's the whole basis for his offensive philosophy.

2. Kickoff and Punt return defense we were 109 and 103 respectively, so the D is defending a short field often. Some have said we bent too much in the middle of the field and only tightened up in the red zone. The numbers would indicate that most offenses started a lot closer to our red zone than most.

3. Plus we were 68 in punting out of 124 so again short fields to defend.

Agree with many though that 73/125 on holding on third down is a killer. We have to get better at getting them off the field.

Just some food for thought! GO GRIZ

 

[SaskGriz]

You know why our defense spends so much time on the field?

ITS BECAUSE THEY NEVER MAKE PLAYS ON 3RD DOWN TO GET OFF THE FIELD

The defense the last 3 years is a f***[*] joke and there are no excuses, its the guy coordinating it. Period end of story.

Great defenses get off the field and it doesnt matter what the offense does. Just like the Bears and Ravens defenses when they won Super Bowls, they had shit offenses, the Ravens had to score on defense to put points on the board.

Anyone that knows a damn thing about football knows the Griz havent had a GOOD defense since over a decade ago.


FYI
A good defense would give up under 300 yards a game and maybe around 15-17 ppg

A great defense gives up 230-280 yards a game and under 13 ppg.

Quit lying to yourselves.

The 2006 Griz d - 266.36 yards per game and 16.1 ppg. This would by your own definition be a GOOD defense and has been in the last decade.

Troll and facts, not a compatible mixture.

Are you really calling out Alpha for being one year off from a full decade? Talk about hairsplitting..... Jeez

It's actually two years off because we haven't played the 2015 season yet but I understand your point. Unfortunately football is a game of exact measurements, either you get the first down or not. Also if you have read any of the posts that ALPHA makes on this site you may have noticed that he isn't famous for cutting people a whole lot of slack or being respectful of others opinions or facts. So I am going to split that hair.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

You know why our defense spends so much time on the field?

ITS BECAUSE THEY NEVER MAKE PLAYS ON 3RD DOWN TO GET OFF THE FIELD

The defense the last 3 years is a f***[*] joke and there are no excuses, its the guy coordinating it. Period end of story.

Great defenses get off the field and it doesnt matter what the offense does. Just like the Bears and Ravens defenses when they won Super Bowls, they had shit offenses, the Ravens had to score on defense to put points on the board.

Anyone that knows a damn thing about football knows the Griz havent had a GOOD defense since over a decade ago.


FYI
A good defense would give up under 300 yards a game and maybe around 15-17 ppg

A great defense gives up 230-280 yards a game and under 13 ppg.

Quit lying to yourselves.

The 2006 Griz d - 266.36 yards per game and 16.1 ppg. This would by your own definition be a GOOD defense and has been in the last decade.

Troll and facts, not a compatible mixture.

Are you really calling out Alpha for being one year off from a full decade? Talk about hairsplitting..... Jeez

It's actually two years off because we haven't played the 2015 season yet but I understand your point. Unfortunately football is a game of exact measurements, either you get the first down or not. Also if you have read any of the posts that ALPHA makes on this site you may have noticed that he isn't famous for cutting people a whole lot of slack or being respectful of others opinions or facts. So I am going to split that hair.

I get your point. In the big picture, I believe that Alpha is just saying that TG doesn't measure up to the Griz DCs of old or his teams just haven't been as dominant as past Griz defenses. I know many players like Ty's Ra Ra style and the fact that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. I think his defenses have improved slightly under his tenure. But to say the Griz D has been "good" under his reign is certainly a point that can be argued by reasonable fans. Maybe adequate, improving or "work in progress" are a more accurate discriptions. Ty's D has certainly never been highly ranked nationally. And the fact that some of the stats are skewed in his favor because of the quality of the competition, doesn't help his cause.... A positive T/O ratio is great when it's coming against teams like MSU, South Dakota et al. But the fact that it's not happening
against CC, EWU or NDSU is an issue IMO. My point is this, in Ty's case, the high yardage outputs by the good team is indicative of something. You can't just rave about the scoring defense and downplay the other defensive statistics that his defenses have produced.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You know why our defense spends so much time on the field?

ITS BECAUSE THEY NEVER MAKE PLAYS ON 3RD DOWN TO GET OFF THE FIELD

The defense the last 3 years is a f***[*] joke and there are no excuses, its the guy coordinating it. Period end of story.

Great defenses get off the field and it doesnt matter what the offense does. Just like the Bears and Ravens defenses when they won Super Bowls, they had shit offenses, the Ravens had to score on defense to put points on the board.

Anyone that knows a damn thing about football knows the Griz havent had a GOOD defense since over a decade ago.


FYI
A good defense would give up under 300 yards a game and maybe around 15-17 ppg

A great defense gives up 230-280 yards a game and under 13 ppg.

Quit lying to yourselves.

The 2006 Griz d - 266.36 yards per game and 16.1 ppg. This would by your own definition be a GOOD defense and has been in the last decade.

Troll and facts, not a compatible mixture.

Like I said a decade ago......... pops there's a fact

 

[AZGrizFan]

I get your point. In the big picture, I believe that Alpha is just saying that TG doesn't measure up to the Griz DCs of old or his teams just haven't been as dominant as past Griz defenses. I know many players like Ty's Ra Ra style and the fact that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. I think his defenses have improved slightly under his tenure. But to say the Griz D has been "good" under his reign is certainly a point that can be argued by reasonable fans. Maybe adequate, improving or "work in progress" are a more accurate discriptions. Ty's D has certainly never been highly ranked nationally. And the fact that some of the stats are skewed in his favor because of the quality of the competition, doesn't help his cause.... A positive T/O ratio is great when it's coming against teams like MSU, South Dakota et al. But the fact that it's not happening
against CC, EWU or NDSU is an issue IMO. My point is this, in Ty's case, the high yardage outputs by the good team is indicative of something. You can't just rave about the scoring defense and downplay the other defensive statistics that his defenses have produced.

NDSU doesn't play 11 UNI's every year either. EVERY team has its share of cupcakes, and EVERY team pads its stats against said cupcakes. Why single out the GRIZ?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Even when NDSU plays UNI they hold them under 20 and your a PlAYErrape protégé if you are comparing the MVC and the Big Fluffy

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I get your point. In the big picture, I believe that Alpha is just saying that TG doesn't measure up to the Griz DCs of old or his teams just haven't been as dominant as past Griz defenses. I know many players like Ty's Ra Ra style and the fact that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. I think his defenses have improved slightly under his tenure. But to say the Griz D has been "good" under his reign is certainly a point that can be argued by reasonable fans. Maybe adequate, improving or "work in progress" are a more accurate discriptions. Ty's D has certainly never been highly ranked nationally. And the fact that some of the stats are skewed in his favor because of the quality of the competition, doesn't help his cause.... A positive T/O ratio is great when it's coming against teams like MSU, South Dakota et al. But the fact that it's not happening
against CC, EWU or NDSU is an issue IMO. My point is this, in Ty's case, the high yardage outputs by the good team is indicative of something. You can't just rave about the scoring defense and downplay the other defensive statistics that his defenses have produced.

NDSU doesn't play 11 UNI's every year either. EVERY team has its share of cupcakes, and EVERY team pads its stats against said cupcakes. Why single out the GRIZ?

My intent wasn't to single out the Griz for the weak schedule but to focus attention on their good defensive stats against the lesser teams.Yes NDSU plays the "cupcakes" too but they also play well against the good teams on their schedule. That's the point. The Griz D needs to have better stats against the good teams that they face on a yearly basis. If they did, TG would get more respect IMO.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I get your point. In the big picture, I believe that Alpha is just saying that TG doesn't measure up to the Griz DCs of old or his teams just haven't been as dominant as past Griz defenses. I know many players like Ty's Ra Ra style and the fact that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. I think his defenses have improved slightly under his tenure. But to say the Griz D has been "good" under his reign is certainly a point that can be argued by reasonable fans. Maybe adequate, improving or "work in progress" are a more accurate discriptions. Ty's D has certainly never been highly ranked nationally. And the fact that some of the stats are skewed in his favor because of the quality of the competition, doesn't help his cause.... A positive T/O ratio is great when it's coming against teams like MSU, South Dakota et al. But the fact that it's not happening
against CC, EWU or NDSU is an issue IMO. My point is this, in Ty's case, the high yardage outputs by the good team is indicative of something. You can't just rave about the scoring defense and downplay the other defensive statistics that his defenses have produced.

NDSU doesn't play 11 UNI's every year either. EVERY team has its share of cupcakes, and EVERY team pads its stats against said cupcakes. Why single out the GRIZ?

My intent wasn't to single out the Griz for the weak schedule but to focus attention on their good defensive stats against the lesser teams.Yes NDSU plays the "cupcakes" too but they also play well against the good teams on their schedule. That's the point. The Griz D needs to have better stats against the good teams that they face on a yearly basis. If they did, TG would get more respect IMO.

This past season, his defense did great in limiting the likes of MSU and to some extent EWU's offense. Unfortunately, what Ty's defenses have not done is limit or control the better offenses come the playoffs. That is the next step that is needed for the GRIZ defense and Gregorak to be given more respect. :thumb:

 

[getgrizzy]

I get your point. In the big picture, I believe that Alpha is just saying that TG doesn't measure up to the Griz DCs of old or his teams just haven't been as dominant as past Griz defenses. I know many players like Ty's Ra Ra style and the fact that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. I think his defenses have improved slightly under his tenure. But to say the Griz D has been "good" under his reign is certainly a point that can be argued by reasonable fans. Maybe adequate, improving or "work in progress" are a more accurate discriptions. Ty's D has certainly never been highly ranked nationally. And the fact that some of the stats are skewed in his favor because of the quality of the competition, doesn't help his cause.... A positive T/O ratio is great when it's coming against teams like MSU, South Dakota et al. But the fact that it's not happening
against CC, EWU or NDSU is an issue IMO. My point is this, in Ty's case, the high yardage outputs by the good team is indicative of something. You can't just rave about the scoring defense and downplay the other defensive statistics that his defenses have produced.

NDSU doesn't play 11 UNI's every year either. EVERY team has its share of cupcakes, and EVERY team pads its stats against said cupcakes. Why single out the GRIZ?

My intent wasn't to single out the Griz for the weak schedule but to focus attention on their good defensive stats against the lesser teams.Yes NDSU plays the "cupcakes" too but they also play well against the good teams on their schedule. That's the point. The Griz D needs to have better stats against the good teams that they face on a yearly basis. If they did, TG would get more respect IMO.

This past season, his defense did great in limiting the likes of MSU and to some extent EWU's offense. Unfortunately, what Ty's defenses have not done is limit or control the better offenses come the playoffs. That is the next step that is needed for the GRIZ defense and Gregorak to be given more respect. :thumb:

MSU was without Prukop and Shaun Johnson so I wouldn't put too much confidence in that one. We did play good D the second time against EWU though.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

NDSU doesn't play 11 UNI's every year either. EVERY team has its share of cupcakes, and EVERY team pads its stats against said cupcakes. Why single out the GRIZ?

My intent wasn't to single out the Griz for the weak schedule but to focus attention on their good defensive stats against the lesser teams.Yes NDSU plays the "cupcakes" too but they also play well against the good teams on their schedule. That's the point. The Griz D needs to have better stats against the good teams that they face on a yearly basis. If they did, TG would get more respect IMO.

This past season, his defense did great in limiting the likes of MSU and to some extent EWU's offense. Unfortunately, what Ty's defenses have not done is limit or control the better offenses come the playoffs. That is the next step that is needed for the GRIZ defense and Gregorak to be given more respect. :thumb:

MSU was without Prukop and Shaun Johnson so I wouldn't put too much confidence in that one. We did play good D the second time against EWU though.

Wouldn't have mattered if you had those two, same result possibly worse. Bleskin gave you guys the best chance to win and you saw what happened.

 

[PlayerRep]

The defense was very good last year, and Gregorak is a very good and upcoming DC. That's why Stitt kept him and has said that he's basically turned the defense over to Gregorak and the defensive coaches. Stitt could have hired someone else, so his hiring of Gregorak says a lot.

UM had the top defense in the Big Sky conference last year. And the Big Sky had more offenses putting up big numbers than any other conference. The Big Sky offenses influence defensive stats.

UM was very good in things like sacks and red zone defense last year. The offense was better last year, and didn't end up putting as much pressure on the defense as it had in prior years, but there were still games like NDSU and others (even the EWU games) in which the offense didn't perform well enough to keep the defense off the field. It is also true that the defense didn't make enough stops on 3d downs.

Anyone who says the defense wasn't good last year, is either trolling or does not have a clue about the game of football. The defense and Gregorak were very good last year. They were far from perfect, and yes, they were not a "championship" defense, but they were good and often damn good most of the time.

You seem to enjoy pointing out others' mistakes so I figured I'd kindly let you know that UND had the best defense in the Big Sky last year. They were ranked 34 in FCS and Griz ranked 39 in FCS. I do, however, agree with the rest of your post. The Griz D is not terrible, but has room for improvement and I think we have the right coach and personnel to get there.

Sorry, but UM had a better defense than UND. See the Scoring Defense stat, as well as the others.

Scoring Defense - UM 1st (UND 3d) - 21 points to 26.2 points - big difference - probably the most important stat

Total Defense - UM 2d - 359.4 (UND 1st - 354.4) - not a big difference

Rushing Defense - UM 2d (UND 1st)

Passing Defense - UM 3d (UND 6th)

Passing Efficiency Defense - UM 1st (UND 11th)

Red Zone Defense - UM 1st (UND 4th)

Turnover Margin - UM 1st (UND 7th)

Sacks - UM 1st (UND 2d)

Interceptions - UM 4th (UND 12th)

3d down conversion defense - UM 5th (UND 2d)

4th down conversion defense - UM 2d (UND 5th)

TD's Allowed - UM - 22 (UND - 23) - UM played 2 more games than UND

 

[tnt]

The defense was very good last year, and Gregorak is a very good and upcoming DC. That's why Stitt kept him and has said that he's basically turned the defense over to Gregorak and the defensive coaches. Stitt could have hired someone else, so his hiring of Gregorak says a lot.

UM had the top defense in the Big Sky conference last year. And the Big Sky had more offenses putting up big numbers than any other conference. The Big Sky offenses influence defensive stats.

UM was very good in things like sacks and red zone defense last year. The offense was better last year, and didn't end up putting as much pressure on the defense as it had in prior years, but there were still games like NDSU and others (even the EWU games) in which the offense didn't perform well enough to keep the defense off the field. It is also true that the defense didn't make enough stops on 3d downs.

Anyone who says the defense wasn't good last year, is either trolling or does not have a clue about the game of football. The defense and Gregorak were very good last year. They were far from perfect, and yes, they were not a "championship" defense, but they were good and often damn good most of the time.

Think how good they could have been if they had learned to wrap up and give up the arm tackles. Last year was better than the previous year but still had a ways to go. The best scheme in the world does no good with poor mechanics. I will admit arm tackles can also come from exhaustion. None the less the number of misses leading to extra yards before finally being brought down was frustrating. The ND game was a good example.

 

[UMGriz75]

In 2014, UM Defense held all opponents to an average of 16 points, including offensive "powerhouses" North Dakota State to 10 points and MSU to 7 points. Eastern got away with 20 points which was the lowest score EWU had all season. UM held MSU to its lowest score all season, and UM held NDS to its second lowest score all season (3, at Northern Iowa).