UM No. 1 in Conference Scoring Defense and Red Zone Defense

[GoosetownGriz]

The Cat trolls want to limit the stats to 2 games, and not use 6 games. Is there a way for you to pick out 2 UM games in which the stats are not very good, to make the Cat trolls happy?

Admire your stats but let us know when you beat a Big Sky Team that is in the top 6-7 in the conference. Then you can really start admiring your stats. I see everyone finally (including media) has stopped talking about the POWER App State LOL

Aren't you a Weber fan? App State would beat your team like a rented mule. :lol: :lol:

No. If he/she were a Weber fan, he/she could boast of a victory over SFA.

yeah we'll sfa isn't very good, they barley beat the cats for Christ sake.


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[CDAGRIZ]

Admire your stats but let us know when you beat a Big Sky Team that is in the top 6-7 in the conference. Then you can really start admiring your stats. I see everyone finally (including media) has stopped talking about the POWER App State LOL

Aren't you a Weber fan? App State would beat your team like a rented mule. :lol: :lol:

No. If he/she were a Weber fan, he/she could boast of a victory over SFA.

yeah we'll sfa isn't very good, they barley beat the cats for Christ sake.


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The Cat/SFA game counts. But the SFA/Weebs game sure as shit doesn't count. If the SFA/Weebs game were to count, then the Cat/SFA game wouldn't count. It's a Gentleman's Cat contrapositive.

 

[GoosetownGriz]

Got it. There are lies, damn lies and statistics!
I believe Will Ferrell said that.


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[PTGrizzly]

In an effort to get this to 17 pages, here's a couple more amazing stats:

6 games in...ZERO Interceptions thrown by our QBs in 144 pass attempts
10 INT's by our DB's...leads the conference
+10 in turnover margin....leads the conference
7 TD passes against our much maligned pass defense...3rd best in the conference
27 penalties/222 yards in SIX games, including 0 penalties against UCD
Just 6 red zone TD's given up in six games
9.8 yards/completion, 2nd only to EWU's 10.2
16.6 yards average K/O return...last in the conference... :?

The Cat trolls want to limit the stats to 2 games, and not use 6 games. Is there a way for you to pick out 2 UM games in which the stats are not very good, to make the Cat trolls happy?

Admire your stats but let us know when you beat a Big Sky Team that is in the top 6-7 in the conference. Then you can really start admiring your stats. I see everyone finally (including media) has stopped talking about the POWER App State LOL

Davis was 2-0 in the coference before they played the Griz.

Just in case you were wondering.

Those two wins don't count.

 

[jodcon]

Aren't you a Weber fan? App State would beat your team like a rented mule. :lol: :lol:

No. If he/she were a Weber fan, he/she could boast of a victory over SFA.

yeah we'll sfa isn't very good, they barley beat the cats for Christ sake.


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The Cat/SFA game counts. But the SFA/Weebs game sure as shit doesn't count. If the SFA/Weebs game were to count, then the Cat/SFA game wouldn't count. It's a Gentleman's Cat contrapositive.

But the Cat/Weber game will count and, depending on the margin of victory, the SFA/Weber game MIGHT then be counted posthumously.

 

[ordigger]

lol....PR is still hung up on 2 games vs 6 games. And btw I'm neither a cat nor a troll. As I said previously true statistical analysis would NOT use those games that do not have similar characteristics, ie non-conference games. It's very obvious why....some teams play up, some play down, some play peers. If you apply sampling and the applicable analysis from a statistical viewpoint, the only logical conclusion is to use the conference stats whether its 2 games, or 102 games. And that's simply because the characteristics of the stats throughout conference games remain the same, common type level opponents. Now if we kept only the same level non-conference games (ie FCS) then of course those states would be more than acceptable in a true model, when analyzing stats.

This should keep PR going alone for another 1-2 pages. My contribution.

 

[ABQCat]

I'm really trying to think if BN has an equivalent to PR. BN has plenty of griz posters that have the full range of postability (troll thru Wahlberg), but really don't think we have a Cat poster that galvanizes both Cats and griz against him. PR-> :grenade:

 

[ilovethecats]

I'm really trying to think if BN has an equivalent to PR. BN has plenty of griz posters that have the full range of postability (troll thru Wahlberg), but really don't think we have a Cat poster that galvanizes both Cats and griz against him. PR-> :grenade:

the 2506 poster is probably as close as it comes.

 

[George Ferguson]

When Heisman voters look at stats, they will NOT through Marcus Mariotta's stats against Nicholls State out. The won't throw Teddy Bridgewater's 18 first-half touchdowns in four blowout wins out. And when ESPN announces the All-American teams and puts stats next to their names, they won't be conference-only stats. Also, in the Buck Buchanen Award bio on TSN, they didn't make any mention of Caleb's stats in blowouts or non-conference games being thrown out. And they didn't list conference-only stats, they listed FCS stats. PERIOD.

 

[ordigger]

When Heisman voters look at stats, they will NOT through Marcus Mariotta's stats against Nicholls State out. The won't throw Teddy Bridgewater's 18 first-half touchdowns in four blowout wins out. And when ESPN announces the All-American teams and puts stats next to their names, they won't be conference-only stats. Also, in the Buck Buchanen Award bio on TSN, they didn't make any mention of Caleb's stats in blowouts or non-conference games being thrown out. And they didn't list conference-only stats, they listed FCS stats. PERIOD.

Actually they will....they will see how the candidates performed in the bigger games. You don't believe that Maziel's performance against Alabama last year garnished him many of those votes?

When HOF voters look to vote people, are they looking at how a player did in the minors? Of course not. Ichiro will probably be the first to get credit for his Japanese numbers when voted on for consideration, however his MLB numbers will be enough to get him in. True stats are how you do against your level.

And there is a difference between a "stat" and a "stat analysis".

 

[George Ferguson]

I'm not talking about what they SEE, I'm talking about Heisman voters statistical analysis. I have seen the criteria. I KNOW for a fact that they don't "throw out games or stats". Yes, bigger games sway voters one way or another, but some of you are claiming stats are "thrown out" and they are not. You're also suggesting non-conference stats are meaningless. No, A.J. McCarron's numbers against Virginia Tech's defense are NOT meaningless. And when it comes to the Buck Buchanen award this year, consideration for Brad Daly will include the Colorado-Mesa game. They count. And when they announce winners, when they write bios and press releases, they do not use conference only stats, they use NATIONAL stats. Go look at Cam Newton's Heisman bio and tell me they just disregarded his non-conference games.

 

[ABQCat]

I'm really trying to think if BN has an equivalent to PR. BN has plenty of griz posters that have the full range of postability (troll thru Wahlberg), but really don't think we have a Cat poster that galvanizes both Cats and griz against him. PR-> :grenade:

the 2506 poster is probably as close as it comes.

I suppose in some elements. However, I really don't see 2506 getting into multi thread-multi page flame wars with other Cat fans in which he starts throwing out personal insults (words like idiot, liar, etc.). He seems to save that kind of stuff for this website and the most obnoxious of the griz over on BN.

 

[ilovethecats]

this back and forth in regards to strength of schedule, comparing teams wins and losses, analyzing stats etc. happens every single year right around this time. after we all have played down a couple games, usually played up a game or two, and played a conference game or two. every year all these game shows us is none of us have a god damned clue.

in the end I think you all are right. the guys who think comparing games when one team plays Alabama and the other team plays Montana tech is pointless. these games tell us nothing about our teams and going back and forth on the stats we did or didn't rack up due to the competition is just stupid.

at the same time, playing these games doesn't magically make teams amazing or terrible. as of right now, this minute, October 16th, the griz schedule has looked pretty easy. most of the teams they have beat look pretty bad. but that doesn't reflect on how good the griz are or are not. they could be the best team in the nation right now ready to peak at the right time and they just happened to play crappy teams so far.

same goes when a team starts their season with 3 fbs teams. if they lose all those games people like to assume it's because the fbs is really good so this is just the case of a good fcs team playing a better fbs team. well that's not always right. it's possible it's just a crappy team who started 0-3 and they would have been 0-3 if they played lesser teams too.

simple fact if the teams on your schedule early on don't tell you anything about your team. things will start making more sense in the next few weeks.

 

[ordigger]

I'm not talking about what they SEE, I'm talking about Heisman voters statistical analysis. I have seen the criteria. I KNOW for a fact that they don't "throw out games or stats". Yes, bigger games sway voters one way or another, but some of you are claiming stats are "thrown out" and they are not. You're also suggesting non-conference stats are meaningless. No, A.J. McCarron's numbers against Virginia Tech's defense are NOT meaningless. And when it comes to the Buck Buchanen award this year, consideration for Brad Daly will include the Colorado-Mesa game. They count. And when they announce winners, when they write bios and press releases, they do not use conference only stats, they use NATIONAL stats. Go look at Cam Newton's Heisman bio and tell me they just disregarded his non-conference games.

You're talking stats....I'm talking statistical analysis. Cam Newton's numbers will not get into the HOF, so technically using you're own argument those numbers won't count.

 

[ordigger]

Well I did part for the week.

 

[George Ferguson]

i wasn't talking about the NFL, i was talking about the numbers that won him the Heisman trophy.

 

[PlayerRep]

When Heisman voters look at stats, they will NOT through Marcus Mariotta's stats against Nicholls State out. The won't throw Teddy Bridgewater's 18 first-half touchdowns in four blowout wins out. And when ESPN announces the All-American teams and puts stats next to their names, they won't be conference-only stats. Also, in the Buck Buchanen Award bio on TSN, they didn't make any mention of Caleb's stats in blowouts or non-conference games being thrown out. And they didn't list conference-only stats, they listed FCS stats. PERIOD.

Actually they will....they will see how the candidates performed in the bigger games. You don't believe that Maziel's performance against Alabama last year garnished him many of those votes?

When HOF voters look to vote people, are they looking at how a player did in the minors? Of course not. Ichiro will probably be the first to get credit for his Japanese numbers when voted on for consideration, however his MLB numbers will be enough to get him in. True stats are how you do against your level.

And there is a difference between a "stat" and a "stat analysis".

No, they won't. You have no clue how Heisman voters vote, or what they analyze.

 

[PlayerRep]

lol....PR is still hung up on 2 games vs 6 games. And btw I'm neither a cat nor a troll. As I said previously true statistical analysis would NOT use those games that do not have similar characteristics, ie non-conference games. It's very obvious why....some teams play up, some play down, some play peers. If you apply sampling and the applicable analysis from a statistical viewpoint, the only logical conclusion is to use the conference stats whether its 2 games, or 102 games. And that's simply because the characteristics of the stats throughout conference games remain the same, common type level opponents. Now if we kept only the same level non-conference games (ie FCS) then of course those states would be more than acceptable in a true model, when analyzing stats.

This should keep PR going alone for another 1-2 pages. My contribution.

Every media outlet and virtually everyone else uses all-season stats. They start using them after a number of games. No one waits until the end of conference seasons to use conference only stats. Keep posting and making a fool of yourself.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

No. If he/she were a Weber fan, he/she could boast of a victory over SFA.

yeah we'll sfa isn't very good, they barley beat the cats for Christ sake.


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The Cat/SFA game counts. But the SFA/Weebs game sure as shit doesn't count. If the SFA/Weebs game were to count, then the Cat/SFA game wouldn't count. It's a Gentleman's Cat contrapositive.

But the Cat/Weber game will count and, depending on the margin of victory, the SFA/Weber game MIGHT then be counted posthumously.

The decision to include zombie stats is up for a vote at present in the League of Big Sky Men Who Hate Montana (LBSMWHM). The vote is soon, and the headquarters are all around us.

 

[PTGrizzly]

I'm really trying to think if BN has an equivalent to PR. BN has plenty of griz posters that have the full range of postability (troll thru Wahlberg), but really don't think we have a Cat poster that galvanizes both Cats and griz against him. PR-> :grenade:

Cat_Bracket seems to be fairly similar to PR. Maybe not as bad, but still bad.