UM has 'enrollment problem,' Engstrom tells regents

[bigsky33]

So you imply that engineering is not "academic" ?? This seems to be part of the arrogance that is so prevalent in Missoula and other liberal arts campus's. The days when you go to undergraduate school and take anthropology courses and Renaissance literature and walk out into the job world and snag a good job are over. Employers are looking for applicants with relevant academic preparation for the positions they are being hired for---- they are calling the shots in the depressed Obama economy.

I'm curious as to why it's the "depressed Obama economy"? Since Mr. Obama became president both the economy and employment have grown.
Your point is well taken, although I don't think there was ever a time where graduates in Anthropology and Renaissance Literature fared particularly well in the job market.

It's grown because it damn near bottomed out, and it hasn't grown because of Obama backed industries( how well has the billions invested in green energy panned out in growing our economy) but instead the very industries that Obama chastised and swore to reduce like energy extraction companies have reignited our economy drastically. The shale oil revolution in our country is a driving factor behind our economy coming back. NOT OBAMA!

Sorry, but the definition of 'economic depression' is when the economy shrinks. As you point out, the economy has grown under Mr. Obama's leadership, thus there can be no 'depressed Obama economy'.

Wrong!
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/80348-16-stats-put-claim-economy-healthy-shame/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[wbtfg]

ok....NOW it can go to the political forum.

 

[mcg]

I'm curious as to why it's the "depressed Obama economy"? Since Mr. Obama became president both the economy and employment have grown.
Your point is well taken, although I don't think there was ever a time where graduates in Anthropology and Renaissance Literature fared particularly well in the job market.

It's grown because it damn near bottomed out, and it hasn't grown because of Obama backed industries( how well has the billions invested in green energy panned out in growing our economy) but instead the very industries that Obama chastised and swore to reduce like energy extraction companies have reignited our economy drastically. The shale oil revolution in our country is a driving factor behind our economy coming back. NOT OBAMA!

Sorry, but the definition of 'economic depression' is when the economy shrinks. As you point out, the economy has grown under Mr. Obama's leadership, thus there can be no 'depressed Obama economy'.

Wrong!
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/80348-16-stats-put-claim-economy-healthy-shame/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry, here is some real data from the World Bank that shows that US GDP has grown from $14.3 trillion in 2008 to $15.7 trillion in 2012. You'll have to scroll down to find the United States data. Remember the definition of a 'depression' is when the economy shrinks severely.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[bigsky33]

ok....NOW it can go to the political forum.

That is where this belongs for sure. MCG and his liberal bent will have enrollment increasing at UM next!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

So you imply that engineering is not "academic" ?? This seems to be part of the arrogance that is so prevalent in Missoula and other liberal arts campus's. The days when you go to undergraduate school and take anthropology courses and Renaissance literature and walk out into the job world and snag a good job are over. Employers are looking for applicants with relevant academic preparation for the positions they are being hired for---- they are calling the shots in the depressed Obama economy.

I'm curious as to why it's the "depressed Obama economy"? Since Mr. Obama became president both the economy and employment have grown.
Your point is well taken, although I don't think there was ever a time where graduates in Anthropology and Renaissance Literature fared particularly well in the job market.

It's grown because it damn near bottomed out, and it hasn't grown because of Obama backed industries( how well has the billions invested in green energy panned out in growing our economy) but instead the very industries that Obama chastised and swore to reduce like energy extraction companies have reignited our economy drastically. The shale oil revolution in our country is a driving factor behind our economy coming back. NOT OBAMA!

Sorry, but the definition of 'economic depression' is when the economy shrinks. As you point out, the economy has grown under Mr. Obama's leadership, thus there can be no 'depressed Obama economy'.

I never once used the term economic depression or the term depressed economy, those were your words, I was simply stating that many of the sectors that are powering our economy now are not because of Obama and that many of them are in fact the very corporations that Obama said he was going to crack down on..that is until they started bailing his economy out of the cellar.

 

[Tokyogriz]

Honestly just shut down the whole internet until you get these people to agree with you. That's the key to being a good leader.

Everyone knows what I think of RE so I wont bother to post it here. But his admissions of failure speak for itself. He needs to find a department other than himself to blame it on....

 

[GrizLA]

UM does a bad job at outreach when compared to most state "flagship" schools. I have friends across SoCal and other areas that were or are connected to both private and public high schools, and each year, the best of both types hold "college fairs" and graduates, recruiters, and oftentimes staff, prepare displays of the school and are ready to answer questions, or even seek out students. MSU has been pretty good in the past at these things. But, I do not recall anyone ever seeing a UM table. With in depth counselors in private schools, the more the school is exposed to the students and the teachers the better the response. Right now, even some news outlets refer to MSU when they actually mean UM. There is simply no presence and that is sad. After all, here in Los Angeles, UM could put emphasis on its arts programs, its creative writing, its music school and game development, even its athletics. I do not see that happening with the present staff at UM. They could take a lesson from Emerson College, or even LaVerne...gotta spend money to make a good return. The fine arts return more in cash and loyalty and add more into the economy than many think. UM is simply not taking advantage of its great advantages.

 

[Tokyogriz]

Engstrom fired UM athletic director O'Day in an attempt to rebrand UM .... That has sure worked.

Were is all the "Rebranding" money even going? MSU had literally 10 ads on our last game with UM having ZERO....

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Walking and talking with most Montanan's when the subject comes up about the UM... they like the football program, and detest the Sanctuary City, Liberal Tree Hugger reputation that Missoula and the school is getting (or has GOT). The Rainbow People should have just camped out at the college instead of ruining a good ten acres of sage brush in the Big Hole. I love my Griz, but I wouldn't push my kids to go to school there for the brainwashing.

There's nothing wrong with being Liberal.

Like you would know.....................unless a government program told you what to think.

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[wbtfg]

UM does a bad job at outreach when compared to most state "flagship" schools. I have friends across SoCal and other areas that were or are connected to both private and public high schools, and each year, the best of both types hold "college fairs" and graduates, recruiters, and oftentimes staff, prepare displays of the school and are ready to answer questions, or even seek out students. MSU has been pretty good in the past at these things. But, I do not recall anyone ever seeing a UM table. With in depth counselors in private schools, the more the school is exposed to the students and the teachers the better the response. Right now, even some news outlets refer to MSU when they actually mean UM. There is simply no presence and that is sad. After all, here in Los Angeles, UM could put emphasis on its arts programs, its creative writing, its music school and game development, even its athletics. I do not see that happening with the present staff at UM. They could take a lesson from Emerson College, or even LaVerne...gotta spend money to make a good return. The fine arts return more in cash and loyalty and add more into the economy than many think. UM is simply not taking advantage of its great advantages.

Solid point, however it's really a bit of a wild card when asking alumni to represent the school. I keep in pretty good contact with what's going on at MSU, and I don't know that I'd feel comfortable talking about current programs or what campus life is like since I left over 10 years ago.

That said, it looks like RE is putting more of a premium on instate vs outofstate recruiting...unless, of course, he's just saying in fear of backlash for recruiting out of staters....especially a$$holes from California....no offense.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Cool thread.

 

[UMGriz75]

RE, trying to burnish his PC credentials as a strong president in the stellar mold of Richard Brodhead at Duke University, was the first to accuse the University of Montana of having a "rape problem," by his actions and words which 1) contributed to the perception by the disastrous handling of the Saudi student, 2) making a high profile claim to dealing with the problem by hiring an outside consultant who had never done such a study before (that's just how "serious" he was about it), 3) firing everybody in sight that contributed to "The Problem," 4) never pointing to the low rate of such incidents at UM compared to peer institutions including MSU, and 5) never standing up for his institution to demonstrably false allegations of "rape nation."

The enrollment drop began then.

The enrollment drop had nothing to do with the "recession," which officially ended in June, 2009. Indeed, most public colleges remained stable or increased enfrollment including liberal arts colleges. http://chronicle.com/article/Recession-Reshaped-College/128223/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM's enrollment problems began when Royce Engstrom abdicated his responsibilities to the University of Montana and became the accuser instead of the defender of the University.

The "facts" have since proven Engstrom entirely wrong. He refuses to accept responsibility.

In his own cynical words: "it's time for new leadership."

 

[PlayerRep]

RE, trying to burnish his PC credentials as a strong president in the stellar mold of Richard Brodhead at Duke University, was the first to accuse the University of Montana of having a "rape problem," by his actions and words which 1) contributed to the perception by the disastrous handling of the Saudi student, 2) making a high profile claim to dealing with the problem by hiring an outside consultant who had never done such a study before, 3) firing everybody in sight that contributed to "The Problem," 4) never pointing to the low rate of such incidents at UM compared to peer institutions including MSU, and 5) never standing up for his institution to demonstrably false allegations of "rape nation."

The enrollment drop began then.

The enrollment drop had nothing to do with the "recession," which officially ended in June, 2009. Indeed, most public colleges remained stable or increased enfrollment including liberal arts colleges. http://chronicle.com/article/Recession-Reshaped-College/128223/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM's enrollment problems began when Royce Engstrom abdicated his responsibilities to the University of Montana and became the accuser instead of the defender of the University.

The "facts" have since proven Engstrom entirely wrong. He refuses to accept responsibility.

In his own cynical words: "it's time for new leadership."

Very good post. Agreed. As someone said earlier, it isn't an enrollment problem, it's a leadership problem.

 

[GrizLA]

UM does a bad job at outreach when compared to most state "flagship" schools. I have friends across SoCal and other areas that were or are connected to both private and public high schools, and each year, the best of both types hold "college fairs" and graduates, recruiters, and oftentimes staff, prepare displays of the school and are ready to answer questions, or even seek out students. MSU has been pretty good in the past at these things. But, I do not recall anyone ever seeing a UM table. With in depth counselors in private schools, the more the school is exposed to the students and the teachers the better the response. Right now, even some news outlets refer to MSU when they actually mean UM. There is simply no presence and that is sad. After all, here in Los Angeles, UM could put emphasis on its arts programs, its creative writing, its music school and game development, even its athletics. I do not see that happening with the present staff at UM. They could take a lesson from Emerson College, or even LaVerne...gotta spend money to make a good return. The fine arts return more in cash and loyalty and add more into the economy than many think. UM is simply not taking advantage of its great advantages.

Solid point, however it's really a bit of a wild card when asking alumni to represent the school. I keep in pretty good contact with what's going on at MSU, and I don't know that I'd feel comfortable talking about current programs or what campus life is like since I left over 10 years ago.

That said, it looks like RE is putting more of a premium on instate vs outofstate recruiting...unless, of course, he's just saying in fear of backlash for recruiting out of staters....especially a$$holes from California....no offense.

No offense taken. Assholes from Calif tax ourselves to support our programs, and our schools train athletes you recruit, and California assholes include some pretty significant donors to a lot of Montana institutions and represent UM in a positive light. Maybe, you are judging assholes in "California from your own seemingly unfortunate experiences 've met many good people here, including UM grads. I see strong endowments in most universities here and I have seen young people, UM grads, willing and eager to represent UM...just because you don't doesn't mean it is not true. The fact is, UM has no outreach program. Even the alumni connection has been farmed out for fund raising. Most leading schools have recruiters and they are happy to inform alumni of all ages about what is current on the campus. And, encouraging visits, even though Montana is often out of the way of main traffic, a visit and a talk with parents can produce the kind of kids that want a unique college experience without being buried in Ivy or Rebel Flags....

 

[bigkid]

+1

 

[Tokyogriz]

RE, trying to burnish his PC credentials as a strong president in the stellar mold of Richard Brodhead at Duke University, was the first to accuse the University of Montana of having a "rape problem," by his actions and words which 1) contributed to the perception by the disastrous handling of the Saudi student, 2) making a high profile claim to dealing with the problem by hiring an outside consultant who had never done such a study before (that's just how "serious" he was about it), 3) firing everybody in sight that contributed to "The Problem," 4) never pointing to the low rate of such incidents at UM compared to peer institutions including MSU, and 5) never standing up for his institution to demonstrably false allegations of "rape nation."

The enrollment drop began then.

The enrollment drop had nothing to do with the "recession," which officially ended in June, 2009. Indeed, most public colleges remained stable or increased enfrollment including liberal arts colleges. http://chronicle.com/article/Recession-Reshaped-College/128223/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM's enrollment problems began when Royce Engstrom abdicated his responsibilities to the University of Montana and became the accuser instead of the defender of the University.

The "facts" have since proven Engstrom entirely wrong. He refuses to accept responsibility.

In his own cynical words: "it's time for new leadership."

Should get a petition of Montana Alums, supporters and students asking the BOR to not renew or if possible cancel Royce Engstromns employment. Would be great to show up to their BOR meeting with a bunch of folks petition in hand and tell them off.

 

[PlayerRep]

UM does a bad job at outreach when compared to most state "flagship" schools. I have friends across SoCal and other areas that were or are connected to both private and public high schools, and each year, the best of both types hold "college fairs" and graduates, recruiters, and oftentimes staff, prepare displays of the school and are ready to answer questions, or even seek out students. MSU has been pretty good in the past at these things. But, I do not recall anyone ever seeing a UM table. With in depth counselors in private schools, the more the school is exposed to the students and the teachers the better the response. Right now, even some news outlets refer to MSU when they actually mean UM. There is simply no presence and that is sad. After all, here in Los Angeles, UM could put emphasis on its arts programs, its creative writing, its music school and game development, even its athletics. I do not see that happening with the present staff at UM. They could take a lesson from Emerson College, or even LaVerne...gotta spend money to make a good return. The fine arts return more in cash and loyalty and add more into the economy than many think. UM is simply not taking advantage of its great advantages.

Solid point, however it's really a bit of a wild card when asking alumni to represent the school. I keep in pretty good contact with what's going on at MSU, and I don't know that I'd feel comfortable talking about current programs or what campus life is like since I left over 10 years ago.

That said, it looks like RE is putting more of a premium on instate vs outofstate recruiting...unless, of course, he's just saying in fear of backlash for recruiting out of staters....especially a$$holes from California....no offense.

Engstrom's speech to the regents said UM has over 600 international students, from over 70 countries. Looks like UM is trying to recruit out-of-country, to offset some of the shortfall.

The speech also sid that the frosh to sophomore retention rate for frosh entering in fall '11 is the highest in UM history and highest in the Montana U system. This indicates that the problem is lack of frosh enrolling, not drop outs. The speech also said that the problem is lack of undergrads at UM-Missoula, not other UM campuses.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Nice to know after all the whoremoan shots Jokyo is still experiencing Roycerage..................

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[Grisly Fan]

Engstrom's speech to the regents said UM has over 600 international students, from over 70 countries.

One benefit of international students appears to be that when they are accused of a felony they quickly leave the country instead of sticking around to defend themselves and in the process embarrass the school. Yes, more international students please!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

So I'd say were all in agreement here that ole Royce IS IN FACT A GIANT DUESCH! For example completely over reacting to all the sexual assault nonsense and spending money on programs like... making ALL students take a test on sexual assault before they are able to sign up for next semesters classes. I've never had any sexual assault issues, so that actually really pissed me off, the test only took maybe 10 min but that's besides the point that RE is A GIANT DUESCHE!!