UM athletics and budget cuts - article

[Buttegrizzle]

Point taken. Cut MSU's MBA program NOW!

seriously I see the point. Too few dollars spread too thin. Some of the branches should become specialized trade schools, e.g., Northern's automotive program. There is a lot of need for that sort of training vs Traditional post-secondary education

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Politicians like Dick Barrett need to demonstrate some leadership and instead of whining hat in hand about cutting funding to higher education or athletics, how about go tell those highschool diploma republicans that run the place its not 1950 any more. We can't all make a living farming daddy's ranch. The state needs educated young people. Great societies fund education, the arts and the damn roads. Tell them to double down on athletics, and how about $100 million for a medical arts department while you are at it? God forbid they have to tap the Coal Trust fund. We can cut a mediocre university until it's even less, or invest in it.

I don't want to weigh in on this except to say that this medical arts department will be interesting.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Hey CDA. It's a liberal ARTS university. If I said medical SCIENCE department all that money would go to MSU!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Hey CDA. It's a liberal ARTS university. If I said medical SCIENCE department all that money would go to MSU!

:lol:

 

[info]

Politicians like Dick Barrett need to demonstrate some leadership and instead of whining hat in hand about cutting funding to higher education or athletics, how about go tell those highschool diploma republicans that run the place its not 1950 any more. We can't all make a living farming daddy's ranch. The state needs educated young people. Great societies fund education, the arts and the damn roads. Tell them to double down on athletics, and how about $100 million for a medical arts department while you are at it? God forbid they have to tap the Coal Trust fund. We can cut a mediocre university until it's even less, or invest in it.

POY candidate. :clap:

 

[tnt]

Granted I didn't study economics, but would somebody tell me what the 8% or is it 92% of folks wh wouldn' be spending money o UM athletics would do with it? Does ot poof? Do they burn it? What do they do with it If they don't spend it?

Just exactly does a football team create money anyway? Do they print it, steal it, mine for gold in WA Griz? Doesn't it have to be there in the first place, to have to spend.

It sounds to me our somewhere to the right 75 and PR have uncovered some massive wealth redistribution scheme.
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[dupuyer griz]

AllWeather....it appears that UM is in a crisis situation. Engstrom should be looking at increasing revenue and reducing expenses and maybe that is the case. If enrollment continues to drop, we will be a satellite campus.

Well, it's not a "crisis." No one has died.

But that's why I'm asking about increasing revenues. How? Tuition increases are the only feasible way to make up the current funding gaps, correct? Am I missing any other options?

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic... In any case, raising the price of something that people have shown they already don't want by not buying it usually isn't the best business model.

 

[UMGriz75]

Granted I didn't study economics, but would somebody tell me what the 8% or is it 92% of folks wh wouldn' be spending money o UM athletics would do with it? Does ot poof? Do they burn it? What do they do with it If they don't spend it? ...

It sounds to me our somewhere to the right 75 and PR have uncovered some massive wealth redistribution scheme..

I'm not sure what that means.
:beer:

 

[EverettGriz]

Granted I didn't study economics, but would somebody tell me what the 8% or is it 92% of folks wh wouldn' be spending money o UM athletics would do with it? Does ot poof? Do they burn it? What do they do with it If they don't spend it?

Just exactly does a football team create money anyway? Do they print it, steal it, mine for gold in WA Griz? Doesn't it have to be there in the first place, to have to spend.

It sounds to me our somewhere to the right 75 and PR have uncovered some massive wealth redistribution scheme.
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They spend it. Or at least 95% of it. In Montana. Which is why FB games do nothing to add to the state's economy.

The 8% is simply a guess as do what percentage of people would spend some of the amount set aside for FB games out of state. It's a statistically insignificant value.

 

[grizindabox]

Out of state fans do add money to the economy.....for the local economy it is nice...but in relation to the state economy...it is small potatoes....as for all the fans from within the state...they would spend their hard earned money elsewhere....some of it might be out of state...but a lot of it will stay more local....

 

[PlayerRep]

Granted I didn't study economics, but would somebody tell me what the 8% or is it 92% of folks wh wouldn' be spending money o UM athletics would do with it? Does ot poof? Do they burn it? What do they do with it If they don't spend it?

Just exactly does a football team create money anyway? Do they print it, steal it, mine for gold in WA Griz? Doesn't it have to be there in the first place, to have to spend.

It sounds to me our somewhere to the right 75 and PR have uncovered some massive wealth redistribution scheme.
.

They spend it. Or at least 95% of it. In Montana. Which is why FB games do nothing to add to the state's economy.

The 8% is simply a guess as do what percentage of people would spend some of the amount set aside for FB games out of state. It's a statistically insignificant value.

The question all along has been: do UM/MSU athletics add incrementally to the economy of MT, or don't they?

You supported Barrett who said UM/MSU athletics don't.

When called on that, you have been avoiding the question and trying to change the goal post.

Why don't you just answer the question? The answer is clear. You just don't have the balls to answer it and admit you were wrong. That's why I think you are a small person.

 

[PlayerRep]

Out of state fans do add money to the economy.....for the local economy it is nice...but in relation to the state economy...it is small potatoes....as for all the fans from within the state...they would spend their hard earned money elsewhere....some of it might be out of state...but a lot of it will stay more local....

So you agree that UM/MSU athletics adds to the MT economy? You think it's small potatoes. I don't.

 

[EverettGriz]

Yes. They do.

And when a small boy in Indiana farts, it leads to hurricanes in Indonesia. That's the incremental level of increase we're talking about here. So, congratulations. Dr. Barrett's point is 100% accurate, but you "won" the argument. Kudos to ya..... :roll:

 

[PlayerRep]

Yes. They do.

And when a small boy in Indiana farts, it leads to hurricanes in Indonesia. That's the incremental level of increase we're talking about here. So, congratulations. Dr. Barrett's point is 100% accurate, but you "won" the argument. Kudos to ya..... :roll:

Glad to see that you admitted that you were wrong, and that you were a total idiot on this point.

Dr. Barrett. Pretty funny. You have a habit of hitching your wagon to the wrong people.

 

[EverettGriz]

Yes. They do.

And when a small boy in Indiana farts, it leads to hurricanes in Indonesia. That's the incremental level of increase we're talking about here. So, congratulations. Dr. Barrett's point is 100% accurate, but you "won" the argument. Kudos to ya..... :roll:

Glad to see that you admitted that you were wrong, and that you were a total idiot on this point.

Dr. Barrett. Pretty funny. You have a habit of hitching your wagon to the wrong people.

Yeah, 'cause that's what I admitted. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[grizindabox]

Out of state fans do add money to the economy.....for the local economy it is nice...but in relation to the state economy...it is small potatoes....as for all the fans from within the state...they would spend their hard earned money elsewhere....some of it might be out of state...but a lot of it will stay more local....

So you agree that UM/MSU athletics adds to the MT economy? You think it's small potatoes. I don't.

Statewide....minimal impact

 

[PlayerRep]

Out of state fans do add money to the economy.....for the local economy it is nice...but in relation to the state economy...it is small potatoes....as for all the fans from within the state...they would spend their hard earned money elsewhere....some of it might be out of state...but a lot of it will stay more local....

So you agree that UM/MSU athletics adds to the MT economy? You think it's small potatoes. I don't.

Statewide....minimal impact

What's your support, analysis, data, and links for your view?

 

[grizindabox]

PR....lets play a little game....how much money is spent in Missoula and Bozeman per home game?

 

[PlayerRep]

PR....lets play a little game....how much money is spent in Missoula and Bozeman per home game?

Millions of dollars.

Now, let's continue the game. Identify yourself. Actually, I've been told who you are, but can't recall. Maybe it's in my emails or notes.

 

[The_Real_Chief]

Not all Griz game attendees are from Montana. While it may not be blip on the states' overall economy I guarantee there are businesses in Missoula that will disappear if Griz athletics fall off. Missoula needs to collectively realize your pandering Rep Barrett is just another bandwagon anti-business politician ready to kill every economically viable golden goose that comes along. Mining, timber, coal, oil, transportation and now Griz games? I for one won't be traveling to Missoula to watch the math club lecture series.

I chose UM as a high school senior because I saw Derrick Pope break a backboard. Not a really impressive criteria for academic selection but still. UM got me to pony up for two degrees because of sports.

Kind of sad you chose your academic future based on a dunk...I agree though athletics should be prioritized because they give the school exposure, I personally chose U of M because of the amazing campus, academic departments, people, tight knit community, and the awesome place that is Missoula.

Well, it was the basketball atmosphere more than the one dunk. But let's face it 1) does it matter where you go the first four years if you don't have a pre-determined major? 2 ) the atmosphere at Carroll, and a couple private colleges in Washington and Oregon I was considering were not as interesting. Plus, In-state tuition was pretty cheap. And to be fair, despite my rudderless entrance to UM I found things to get interested in, graduated twice and even got a job. So it worked out.

I'll be honest. My allegence to UM is much stronger in regards to the athletics than the academics. That is kind of sad maybe but I don't get as excited about contributing to a department that nearly lost accreditation while I was a grad student. Sorry. Just not committed that much. If a new weight room will bring in more 3-star recruits. Yep. I'll chip in. Athletics gives me entertainment and a source of pride, as well as being distraction from daily BS. It makes me happy (most of the time). It keeps me connected to the U. Take it away or reduce it to mediocrity and I've got no reason to send more money there.

Touche I can respect that