U.S. DOE investigating UM Football

[Growler1]

The posts insinuating that any federal investigation is driven by a national political agenda are incredibly insulting to any woman (and her parents, friends, etc.) who legitimately believes her claim of sexual assault or rape was not properly investigated. Be an adult, or go crawl back under your rock.

The War on Women continues.....

Is that the war I hear the Republicans are conducting on women?

Definition of a "Progressive"....... an individual who is too inept, uneducated, or unwilling to work for a living, and who thinks he/she is entitled to be given all amenities in life free, paid for be the individuals who work for a living.

 

[Grizzoola]

Definition of a "Progressive"....... an individual who is too inept, uneducated, or unwilling to work for a living, and who thinks he/she is entitled to be given all amenities in life free, paid for be the individuals who work for a living.

Growler, I read your posts because they are entertaining. Only sometimes do you give some insights/opinions re: Griz football. But, here, as a Liberal/Progressive (and proud of it) I disagree with this right-wing, regressive attitude that shows a complete ignorance of American history and complete disregard for the millions of Americans who work hard every day and still can't make it without some government services.

I suggest you be silent on your political stance. But, as long as you and others on this board, continue to attack an age-old American article of faith, which has been as much a part of the American character as capitalism and the belief in a free market, I will confront you and any others on this board. American Progressives and Liberals are NOT Socialists, Communists in disguise, etc. American Progressives have never believed in a fully Socialistic government, let alone a Communist one. We are Americans, after all. End of rant.

 

[br fan]

I am not naive about this, and just because there is political motivation on some level does not make it wrong. There are often times when politics lead to positive results. But reckless language may justifiably be perceived as misogynist, and I think it is way too early to jump to conclusions here.

You have to be kidding, you seem to think the the Federal Government can deal with local problems better than we can locally.

Let's hear your list of when politics leads to positive results. Politics has given us gridlock (which I actually am OK with) as the idiots in Congress on both sides are unable to pass stupid legislation.

Stick the misogyny point in your sock in this discussion, where did I raise a point that was disrespectful to any woman?

I'll disagree , that if it motivated by political gain it's AOK, this is the attitude on both sides that leaves us with the c..f..ck that is today.

Clearly there are problems better dealt with by the Federal Government than local authorities. An example would the systematic violation of voting rights in some southern states. The local authorities were the problem and the DOJ successfully worked to ensure that nobody's rights were taken away.

I don't really see what the problem is with the DOJ investigation. A citizen complained that her civil rights were violated, the DOJ is thus obligated to investigate. If there isn't really a problem, then the outcome of the investigation should be benign. If there is a problem, some action is required. Seems reasonable to me.

I think the concern is determining just what the DOJ is doing. I don't think anybody has a problem if this is handled like civil rights complaints have historically been handled in the past, i.e. this is a civil action, the DOJ comes in and makes a determination on whether someones rights were violated, and civil penalties are imposed against those officials who did violate someones's rights.

It appears VanValkenberg's concern is that the manner in which the Feds have come into this does not look like how they have historically handles these matters, but instead looks like something the Feds have done only once in the past, which was 6 months ago in Syracuse. At Syracuse, which is still on-going, the Feds stepped in not just civilly, but took over the criminal investigation of Bernie Fine, and in the process cut the Syracuse county attorney's office completely out of the loop.

The concern of VanValkenberg, and of the Syracuse county attorney whose interview was televised in Missoula, is this is a State's rights issue. They're concerned the Feds may be trying to expand into what has not historically been Federal authority

 

[GrizLA]

:clap: :thumb:

I am not naive about this, and just because there is political motivation on some level does not make it wrong. There are often times when politics lead to positive results. But reckless language may justifiably be perceived as misogynist, and I think it is way too early to jump to conclusions here.

You have to be kidding, you seem to think the the Federal Government can deal with local problems better than we can locally.

Let's hear your list of when politics leads to positive results. Politics has given us gridlock (which I actually am OK with) as the idiots in Congress on both sides are unable to pass stupid legislation.

Stick the misogyny point in your sock in this discussion, where did I raise a point that was disrespectful to any woman?

I'll disagree , that if it motivated by political gain it's AOK, this is the attitude on both sides that leaves us with the c..f..ck that is today.

Clearly there are problems better dealt with by the Federal Government than local authorities. An example would the systematic violation of voting rights in some southern states. The local authorities were the problem and the DOJ successfully worked to ensure that nobody's rights were taken away.

I don't really see what the problem is with the DOJ investigation. A citizen complained that her civil rights were violated, the DOJ is thus obligated to investigate. If there isn't really a problem, then the outcome of the investigation should be benign. If there is a problem, some action is required. Seems reasonable to me.

I hate it when people actually practice what education has offered over the years. More often than not, local practices foster discrimination, corruption, cronyism, and a culture limited to that area which may or may not be good for all....For all that is presently known, Missoula and UM might well be the leaders in combatting the abuse of power which is at the heart of rape. I see no reason for good local government to be upset with an investigation like this....just another battle in the War on Women.

 

[cclarkblues]

:clap: :thumb:

I am not naive about this, and just because there is political motivation on some level does not make it wrong. There are often times when politics lead to positive results. But reckless language may justifiably be perceived as misogynist, and I think it is way too early to jump to conclusions here.

You have to be kidding, you seem to think the the Federal Government can deal with local problems better than we can locally.

Let's hear your list of when politics leads to positive results. Politics has given us gridlock (which I actually am OK with) as the idiots in Congress on both sides are unable to pass stupid legislation.

Stick the misogyny point in your sock in this discussion, where did I raise a point that was disrespectful to any woman?

I'll disagree , that if it motivated by political gain it's AOK, this is the attitude on both sides that leaves us with the c..f..ck that is today.

Clearly there are problems better dealt with by the Federal Government than local authorities. An example would the systematic violation of voting rights in some southern states. The local authorities were the problem and the DOJ successfully worked to ensure that nobody's rights were taken away.

I don't really see what the problem is with the DOJ investigation. A citizen complained that her civil rights were violated, the DOJ is thus obligated to investigate. If there isn't really a problem, then the outcome of the investigation should be benign. If there is a problem, some action is required. Seems reasonable to me.

I hate it when people actually practice what education has offered over the years. More often than not, local practices foster discrimination, corruption, cronyism, and a culture limited to that area which may or may not be good for all....For all that is presently known, Missoula and UM might well be the leaders in combatting the abuse of power which is at the heart of rape. I see no reason for good local government to be upset with an investigation like this....just another battle in the War on Women.

What war would that be?

 

[mcg]

I am not naive about this, and just because there is political motivation on some level does not make it wrong. There are often times when politics lead to positive results. But reckless language may justifiably be perceived as misogynist, and I think it is way too early to jump to conclusions here.

You have to be kidding, you seem to think the the Federal Government can deal with local problems better than we can locally.

Let's hear your list of when politics leads to positive results. Politics has given us gridlock (which I actually am OK with) as the idiots in Congress on both sides are unable to pass stupid legislation.

Stick the misogyny point in your sock in this discussion, where did I raise a point that was disrespectful to any woman?

I'll disagree , that if it motivated by political gain it's AOK, this is the attitude on both sides that leaves us with the c..f..ck that is today.

Clearly there are problems better dealt with by the Federal Government than local authorities. An example would the systematic violation of voting rights in some southern states. The local authorities were the problem and the DOJ successfully worked to ensure that nobody's rights were taken away.

I don't really see what the problem is with the DOJ investigation. A citizen complained that her civil rights were violated, the DOJ is thus obligated to investigate. If there isn't really a problem, then the outcome of the investigation should be benign. If there is a problem, some action is required. Seems reasonable to me.

I think the concern is determining just what the DOJ is doing. I don't think anybody has a problem if this is handled like civil rights complaints have historically been handled in the past, i.e. this is a civil action, the DOJ comes in and makes a determination on whether someones rights were violated, and civil penalties are imposed against those officials who did violate someones's rights.

It appears VanValkenberg's concern is that the manner in which the Feds have come into this does not look like how they have historically handles these matters, but instead looks like something the Feds have done only once in the past, which was 6 months ago in Syracuse. At Syracuse, which is still on-going, the Feds stepped in not just civilly, but took over the criminal investigation of Bernie Fine, and in the process cut the Syracuse county attorney's office completely out of the loop.

The concern of VanValkenberg, and of the Syracuse county attorney whose interview was televised in Missoula, is this is a State's rights issue. They're concerned the Feds may be trying to expand into what has not historically been Federal authority

Fair enough, I'd be careful about the term "State's rights". It's been used over the years to justify some very evil things.

 

[PlayerRep]

I am not naive about this, and just because there is political motivation on some level does not make it wrong. There are often times when politics lead to positive results. But reckless language may justifiably be perceived as misogynist, and I think it is way too early to jump to conclusions here.

You have to be kidding, you seem to think the the Federal Government can deal with local problems better than we can locally.

Let's hear your list of when politics leads to positive results. Politics has given us gridlock (which I actually am OK with) as the idiots in Congress on both sides are unable to pass stupid legislation.

Stick the misogyny point in your sock in this discussion, where did I raise a point that was disrespectful to any woman?

I'll disagree , that if it motivated by political gain it's AOK, this is the attitude on both sides that leaves us with the c..f..ck that is today.

Clearly there are problems better dealt with by the Federal Government than local authorities. An example would the systematic violation of voting rights in some southern states. The local authorities were the problem and the DOJ successfully worked to ensure that nobody's rights were taken away.

I don't really see what the problem is with the DOJ investigation. A citizen complained that her civil rights were violated, the DOJ is thus obligated to investigate. If there isn't really a problem, then the outcome of the investigation should be benign. If there is a problem, some action is required. Seems reasonable to me.

I think the concern is determining just what the DOJ is doing. I don't think anybody has a problem if this is handled like civil rights complaints have historically been handled in the past, i.e. this is a civil action, the DOJ comes in and makes a determination on whether someones rights were violated, and civil penalties are imposed against those officials who did violate someones's rights.

It appears VanValkenberg's concern is that the manner in which the Feds have come into this does not look like how they have historically handles these matters, but instead looks like something the Feds have done only once in the past, which was 6 months ago in Syracuse. At Syracuse, which is still on-going, the Feds stepped in not just civilly, but took over the criminal investigation of Bernie Fine, and in the process cut the Syracuse county attorney's office completely out of the loop.

The concern of VanValkenberg, and of the Syracuse county attorney whose interview was televised in Missoula, is this is a State's rights issue. They're concerned the Feds may be trying to expand into what has not historically been Federal authority

The DOJ investigation in Missoula is unprecedented. It has nothing in common with what was done at Syracuse. At Syracuse, the feds took over the investigation of one person, Fine.

 

[moose/squirrel]

I am not naive about this, and just because there is political motivation on some level does not make it wrong. There are often times when politics lead to positive results. But reckless language may justifiably be perceived as misogynist, and I think it is way too early to jump to conclusions here.

You have to be kidding, you seem to think the the Federal Government can deal with local problems better than we can locally.

Let's hear your list of when politics leads to positive results. Politics has given us gridlock (which I actually am OK with) as the idiots in Congress on both sides are unable to pass stupid legislation.

Stick the misogyny point in your sock in this discussion, where did I raise a point that was disrespectful to any woman?

I'll disagree , that if it motivated by political gain it's AOK, this is the attitude on both sides that leaves us with the c..f..ck that is today.

Clearly there are problems better dealt with by the Federal Government than local authorities. An example would the systematic violation of voting rights in some southern states. The local authorities were the problem and the DOJ successfully worked to ensure that nobody's rights were taken away.

I don't really see what the problem is with the DOJ investigation. A citizen complained that her civil rights were violated, the DOJ is thus obligated to investigate. If there isn't really a problem, then the outcome of the investigation should be benign. If there is a problem, some action is required. Seems reasonable to me.

Uh, no , the DoE maybe investigation is the result of a Title IX complaint. No one really knows why DoJ is here.

 

[moose/squirrel]

What war would that be?[/quote]

The re election wars and we are ground zero which is really astonishing if you think about it. :roll:

 

[Broncotommy]

Over reach by a federal govt DOJ that is dripping with integrity. Lets see, Fast and Furious, a Black Panther Party threatening citizens (DOJ doesn't respond), Sueing the State of Arizona for their constitutionally valid attempts to deal with illegal immigration, etc...Who the hell are these 'white knights' coming into town to right the ship? Just wondering.

You bring up some good points Bigsky59. Never have I personally seen so much governmental over-reach. The agenda is becoming clearer everyday. The DOJ is like the Gestapo and the SS the enforcement arm of the White house, I don't think that was it's original intended purpose either. I better be quiet, certain people may be monitoring these boards as well. See you at the secret meeting tonight at the you-know-where location. :thumb:

P.S. Why would the Dept. of Justice want to sell automatic weapons to drug cartels anyway ? especcially 55,000 of them, that's a small army isn't it ? I'm sure they have a very logical explanation! It's just not any of our business I'm sure !

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Is that the war I hear the Republicans are conducting on women?

Definition of a "Progressive"....... an individual who is too inept, uneducated, or unwilling to work for a living, and who thinks he/she is entitled to be given all amenities in life free, paid for be the individuals who work for a living.

This.........:thumb:

 

[argh!]

Is that the war I hear the Republicans are conducting on women?

Definition of a "Progressive"....... an individual who is too inept, uneducated, or unwilling to work for a living, and who thinks he/she is entitled to be given all amenities in life free, paid for be the individuals who work for a living.

This.........:thumb:

whereas you two essentially define "regressive". you go way back, evolutionarily speaking.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Over reach by a federal govt DOJ that is dripping with integrity. Lets see, Fast and Furious, a Black Panther Party threatening citizens (DOJ doesn't respond), Sueing the State of Arizona for their constitutionally valid attempts to deal with illegal immigration, etc...Who the hell are these 'white knights' coming into town to right the ship? Just wondering.

You bring up some good points Bigsky59. Never have I personally seen so much governmental over-reach. The agenda is becoming clearer everyday. The DOJ is like the Gestapo and the SS the enforcement arm of the White house, I don't think that was it's original intended purpose either. I better be quiet, certain people may be monitoring these boards as well. See you at the secret meeting tonight at the you-know-where location. :thumb:

P.S. Why would the Dept. of Justice want to sell automatic weapons to drug cartels anyway ? especcially 55,000 of them, that's a small army isn't it ? I'm sure they have a very logical explanation! It's just not any of our business I'm sure !

What the government is doing at UM is no different than when they jumped into the baseball steroids thing or the football head injuries thing. The only reason Griz fans are complaining about this investigation is because it could effect their teams win loss record and thats all that matters to 99% of the people on here.

Winning is what is most important to Griz fans and thats why they scramble like flushed pheasants to make excuses for the behavior that has happened the last decade......that is why they try to make comparisons about rape crimes of entire city populations to keep up with what is happening on the football team......this is why they attack reporters that out the evil crime spree that has kept Missoula in fear for the last 8-10 years.

"Good" Griz fans are an embarrassment to the entire state of Montana.


P.S. I hope BSU loses 4 games this year.

 

[BWahlberg]

Over reach by a federal govt DOJ that is dripping with integrity. Lets see, Fast and Furious, a Black Panther Party threatening citizens (DOJ doesn't respond), Sueing the State of Arizona for their constitutionally valid attempts to deal with illegal immigration, etc...Who the hell are these 'white knights' coming into town to right the ship? Just wondering.

You bring up some good points Bigsky59. Never have I personally seen so much governmental over-reach. The agenda is becoming clearer everyday. The DOJ is like the Gestapo and the SS the enforcement arm of the White house, I don't think that was it's original intended purpose either. I better be quiet, certain people may be monitoring these boards as well. See you at the secret meeting tonight at the you-know-where location. :thumb:

P.S. Why would the Dept. of Justice want to sell automatic weapons to drug cartels anyway ? especcially 55,000 of them, that's a small army isn't it ? I'm sure they have a very logical explanation! It's just not any of our business I'm sure !

What the government is doing at UM is no different than when they jumped into the baseball steroids thing or the football head injuries thing. The only reason Griz fans are complaining about this investigation is because it could effect their teams win loss record and thats all that matters to 99% of the people on here.

Winning is what is most important to Griz fans and thats why they scramble like flushed pheasants to make excuses for the behavior that has happened the last decade......that is why they try to make comparisons about rape crimes of entire city populations to keep up with what is happening on the football team......this is why they attack reporters that out the evil crime spree that has kept Missoula in fear for the last 8-10 years.

"Good" Griz fans are an embarrassment to the entire state of Montana.


P.S. I hope BSU loses 4 games this year.

Actually at this point the DOJ investigation seems to be centered around the handling, process, and invovlement of the UM, MPD, and DA on sexual assault complaints. The way I've read it, it has really nothing to do with the football team itself, thus, it wouldn't affect the outcome of a season. But continue on in your mis-interpretation there.

Now if the Dept of Ed does come in, that could be a different story though...

 

[grizzpaw]

we have 13+ threads ON THE SAME THING ME A RIVER! not once did any DOJ personnel say it was an "investigation" or any "wrong doing" by the city or "UM" ! most on here need to read more than some dumb headline :shock: :flame: :delete: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Over reach by a federal govt DOJ that is dripping with integrity. Lets see, Fast and Furious, a Black Panther Party threatening citizens (DOJ doesn't respond), Sueing the State of Arizona for their constitutionally valid attempts to deal with illegal immigration, etc...Who the hell are these 'white knights' coming into town to right the ship? Just wondering.

You bring up some good points Bigsky59. Never have I personally seen so much governmental over-reach. The agenda is becoming clearer everyday. The DOJ is like the Gestapo and the SS the enforcement arm of the White house, I don't think that was it's original intended purpose either. I better be quiet, certain people may be monitoring these boards as well. See you at the secret meeting tonight at the you-know-where location. :thumb:

P.S. Why would the Dept. of Justice want to sell automatic weapons to drug cartels anyway ? especcially 55,000 of them, that's a small army isn't it ? I'm sure they have a very logical explanation! It's just not any of our business I'm sure !

What the government is doing at UM is no different than when they jumped into the baseball steroids thing or the football head injuries thing. The only reason Griz fans are complaining about this investigation is because it could effect their teams win loss record and thats all that matters to 99% of the people on here.

Winning is what is most important to Griz fans and thats why they scramble like flushed pheasants to make excuses for the behavior that has happened the last decade......that is why they try to make comparisons about rape crimes of entire city populations to keep up with what is happening on the football team......this is why they attack reporters that out the evil crime spree that has kept Missoula in fear for the last 8-10 years.

"Good" Griz fans are an embarrassment to the entire state of Montana.


P.S. I hope BSU loses 4 games this year.

Actually at this point the DOJ investigation seems to be centered around the handling, process, and invovlement of the UM, MPD, and DA on sexual assault complaints. The way I've read it, it has really nothing to do with the football team itself, thus, it wouldn't affect the outcome of a season. But continue on in your mis-interpretation there.

Now if the Dept of Ed does come in, that could be a different story though...

Oh I will continue as long as Spin/Max keeps misdirecting, spinning and deflecting the sheep, I am the yin to your yang.

 

[BWahlberg]

lol - ok sounds good.

So... uh... Yin - can you show me where the DOJ said it will investigate the football team and players on it? I can show you plenty of spots where they talk about the handling/process/etc of the complaints.

 

[argh!]

lol - ok sounds good.

So... uh... Yin - can you show me where the DOJ said it will investigate the football team and players on it? I can show you plenty of spots where they talk about the handling/process/etc of the complaints.

the yin is the feminine side. how apropo.

 

[Silvertip]

This Holder-supported DOJ probe into UM and Missoula has me furious...fast and furious actually...

The man obviously has his priorities...

 

[GrizLA]

Over reach by a federal govt DOJ that is dripping with integrity. Lets see, Fast and Furious, a Black Panther Party threatening citizens (DOJ doesn't respond), Sueing the State of Arizona for their constitutionally valid attempts to deal with illegal immigration, etc...Who the hell are these 'white knights' coming into town to right the ship? Just wondering.

You bring up some good points Bigsky59. Never have I personally seen so much governmental over-reach. The agenda is becoming clearer everyday. The DOJ is like the Gestapo and the SS the enforcement arm of the White house, I don't think that was it's original intended purpose either. I better be quiet, certain people may be monitoring these boards as well. See you at the secret meeting tonight at the you-know-where location. :thumb:

P.S. Why would the Dept. of Justice want to sell automatic weapons to drug cartels anyway ? especcially 55,000 of them, that's a small army isn't it ? I'm sure they have a very logical explanation! It's just not any of our business I'm sure !

If you lived in Butte during the 50s you might not say that. The McCarthy witch hunts were pervasive and the paranoia remains with us today. Remember the Nixon lists?