Truth Hurts

[CatzWillRise]

Sorry, like I said I just looked at the roster, and decided the Cats needed a guy closer to 300 lbs rather than a 6'5 bean pole. If he is closer to 280 then I'd choose Kidder. And again sorry I don't follow the Griz practices and hear all the rave reviews of Kidder.

This just a for fun thread anyway! With the dept the Cats have at DL right now (thin), I'd take them both in a hearbeat.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't think your QB would start of Lobato and I don't think I would take your LB over Bumpas. They're close, but I wouldn't start any of those players over what those two UNC Bears.

I would take Bumpas over anybody in the conference.

Lobato? Did the wind switch and push that green cloud over Boulder into Greeley?

Bumpas only looks so good because he's forced to do 70% of the work on that team.

 

[GrizPony]

I'm confused.

Only on eGriz can a guy read two full pages of a thread and not be able to figure out if it's a pro-Griz thread, or not. :?

this is nothing. i'm WAY more impressed that a thread here regarding forest fires can still manage to turn into pissing matches involving lawyers and politics.

great stuff as always. :thumb:

Yeah, I stopped reading that one when it went off the rails. But like you, I shouldn't be surprised by anything on here anymore. :lol:

I don't think you can ever have too much about lawyers or politics!

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I don't think Northern Colorado would trade Bumpas.
I don't think NAU would trade Bauman.
Shaw was 6th in punting in the conference last year... and Wilder from NAU (#1) is back.
JJ would start for everyone except for maybe MSU and Sac.
Van hasn't played a down yet.

Othern than that, I wouldn't argue too much. I'd be lying if I said most of those guys wouldn't start at MSU, but it's all hearsay. JJ wouldn't this year, Van wouldn't this year, Shaw wouldn't this year, Kidder probably wouldn't. I'd take your LBs on that list and the OL though if you're just giving them away.

YEAH, :roll:, because EVERYONE wants a 3 TIME LOSER QB that couldn't accomplish squat in the playoffs versus a QB that dominated in his playoff run. :roll: GOOD CHRIST, will the insanity ever end in bozangeles?

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I don't think Northern Colorado would trade Bumpas.
I don't think NAU would trade Bauman.
Shaw was 6th in punting in the conference last year... and Wilder from NAU (#1) is back.
JJ would start for everyone except for maybe MSU and Sac.
Van hasn't played a down yet.

Othern than that, I wouldn't argue too much. I'd be lying if I said most of those guys wouldn't start at MSU, but it's all hearsay. JJ wouldn't this year, Van wouldn't this year, Shaw wouldn't this year, Kidder probably wouldn't. I'd take your LBs on that list and the OL though if you're just giving them away.

Earth to moonbeam (CatzWillRise)! WAKEUP :!: You don't think Van would start in m catland? :lol: Ummm, yeah. I forgot how you got that slow donkey from Frenchtown.

I guess you better put out a bulletin to the SEC..."All SEC runningbacks, especially ones that are recruited to the school that is regarded as having the best recruiting class in the nation (and you are one of the most prized recruits in that class), you are not starter worthy here at cowpatch U. Sorry, take your elite speed and agility elsewhere. Thank you."

 

[poorgriz]

I don't think Northern Colorado would trade Bumpas.
I don't think NAU would trade Bauman.
Shaw was 6th in punting in the conference last year... and Wilder from NAU (#1) is back.
JJ would start for everyone except for maybe MSU and Sac.
Van hasn't played a down yet.

Othern than that, I wouldn't argue too much. I'd be lying if I said most of those guys wouldn't start at MSU, but it's all hearsay. JJ wouldn't this year, Van wouldn't this year, Shaw wouldn't this year, Kidder probably wouldn't. I'd take your LBs on that list and the OL though if you're just giving them away.

YEAH, :roll:, because EVERYONE wants a 3 TIME LOSER QB that couldn't accomplish squat in the playoffs versus a QB that dominated in his playoff run. :roll: GOOD CHRIST, will the insanity ever end in bozangeles?

You guys cannot seriously be that biased or stupid. Can't you understand the point he was making? Of course most Cat fans will say DM is better, and probably a bunch of griz fans would choose JJ, however I have some good friends that are huge griz fans and they even say that he may end up being better but it's too early in his career to say for sure.

The point was, that if he were in Bozo... he'd still be stuck behind DM. Do you honestly think the coaching staff would have benched the National Player of the Year, All American DM after his Freshman year, and put JJ in there? If you do then you guys are dumber than I thought.

 

[Darksim]

So we're supposed to argue that the upperclassmen (which is basically your list) are better right now than most of the other players, or something to that effect? Brilliant...

and also that the true freshmen we have brought in and haven't had time to grow, learn the system, and establish themselves aren't as good and don't make the list? Again, what a thinker.

And Alpha's internet groupies get off on agreeing. What's to agree on? The premise makes little sense. Isn't there a season starting where about a whole bunch of guys get to go out and prove themselves, have breakout years, get injured...? Try and play as a team? Your world is black and white...your prognostications are generally obvious and poorly stated. Get better.

+1 (lame thread)

I dont like alpha at all, although he is quite entertaining, hes just saying that the other starters not listed would be fighting for a starting spot on a lot of other teams. Obviously there are going to be players that prove themselves to be invaluable once the season gets rolling and get comfortable with the role they play on the team.

 

[poorgriz]

I don't think Northern Colorado would trade Bumpas.
I don't think NAU would trade Bauman.
Shaw was 6th in punting in the conference last year... and Wilder from NAU (#1) is back.
JJ would start for everyone except for maybe MSU and Sac.
Van hasn't played a down yet.

Othern than that, I wouldn't argue too much. I'd be lying if I said most of those guys wouldn't start at MSU, but it's all hearsay. JJ wouldn't this year, Van wouldn't this year, Shaw wouldn't this year, Kidder probably wouldn't. I'd take your LBs on that list and the OL though if you're just giving them away.

Earth to moonbeam (CatzWillRise)! WAKEUP :!: You don't think Van would start in m catland? :lol: Ummm, yeah. I forgot how you got that slow donkey from Frenchtown.

I guess you better put out a bulletin to the SEC..."All SEC runningbacks, especially ones that are recruited to the school that is regarded as having the best recruiting class in the nation (and you are one of the most prized recruits in that class), you are not starter worthy here at cowpatch U. Sorry, take your elite speed and agility elsewhere. Thank you."

All the star drop downs are going to be all world... until we see them play. Some turn out great, others not so much. But ALL of them are world beaters before taking a snap for your team. Weren't they trying to move him to a different position because he wasn't good enough to see the field at RB?

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I don't think Northern Colorado would trade Bumpas.
I don't think NAU would trade Bauman.
Shaw was 6th in punting in the conference last year... and Wilder from NAU (#1) is back.
JJ would start for everyone except for maybe MSU and Sac.
Van hasn't played a down yet.

Othern than that, I wouldn't argue too much. I'd be lying if I said most of those guys wouldn't start at MSU, but it's all hearsay. JJ wouldn't this year, Van wouldn't this year, Shaw wouldn't this year, Kidder probably wouldn't. I'd take your LBs on that list and the OL though if you're just giving them away.

YEAH, :roll:, because EVERYONE wants a 3 TIME LOSER QB that couldn't accomplish squat in the playoffs versus a QB that dominated in his playoff run. :roll: GOOD CHRIST, will the insanity ever end in bozangeles?

You guys cannot seriously be that biased or stupid. Can't you understand the point he was making? Of course most Cat fans will say DM is better, and probably a bunch of griz fans would choose JJ, however I have some good friends that are huge griz fans and they even say that he may end up being better but it's too early in his career to say for sure.

The point was, that if he were in Bozo... he'd still be stuck behind DM. Do you honestly think the coaching staff would have benched the National Player of the Year, All American DM after his Freshman year, and put JJ in there? If you do then you guys are dumber than I thought.

Talk about TRUTH HURTS and biased/stupid...the point is JJ is better than DM, period.

And furthur more, there would have been no need to bench DM after his FR year if JJ was a cat then because JJ would have started before DM.

cat fans like DM, Griz fans like JJ. The playoffs like JJ.

Let's settle this matter of who's the better QB on the field, like JJ does and DM doesn't.

 

[CatzWillRise]

No, I don't think Van would start in m catland, Bozeman, or Montana State. Not when you have an established senior who is top 3 in most all-time rushing stats at that school. He would get plenty of touches, ala Orenzo Davis, but Kirk is the one running out at the start of the game.

It's very impressive he got a LOI to Florida, and I wish the kid well.

Do you think he is going to start at UM? That's an honest question, I haven't kept too up to date.

And we can argue bout JJ vs DM all day. There is no obvious winner to me, and I wouldn't call anyone names for choosing one or the other. But then again I'm an adult. JJ has had better success in the playoffs, but 1 season a legacy does not make. What if JJ has two more trips, and goes 0-2? What if he never makes the playoffs again? Highly unlikely in my opinion, but if JJ doesn't win a championship (more likely), then how do we compare? Neither QB won the big game, it would just be who won more playoff game.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I don't think Northern Colorado would trade Bumpas.
I don't think NAU would trade Bauman.
Shaw was 6th in punting in the conference last year... and Wilder from NAU (#1) is back.
JJ would start for everyone except for maybe MSU and Sac.
Van hasn't played a down yet.

Othern than that, I wouldn't argue too much. I'd be lying if I said most of those guys wouldn't start at MSU, but it's all hearsay. JJ wouldn't this year, Van wouldn't this year, Shaw wouldn't this year, Kidder probably wouldn't. I'd take your LBs on that list and the OL though if you're just giving them away.

Earth to moonbeam (CatzWillRise)! WAKEUP :!: You don't think Van would start in m catland? :lol: Ummm, yeah. I forgot how you got that slow donkey from Frenchtown.

I guess you better put out a bulletin to the SEC..."All SEC runningbacks, especially ones that are recruited to the school that is regarded as having the best recruiting class in the nation (and you are one of the most prized recruits in that class), you are not starter worthy here at cowpatch U. Sorry, take your elite speed and agility elsewhere. Thank you."

All the star drop downs are going to be all world... until we see them play. Some turn out great, others not so much. But ALL of them are world beaters before taking a snap for your team. Weren't they trying to move him to a different position because he wasn't good enough to see the field at RB?

Ahhh, that's rich.

Marshall was loaded at RB, and were very thin at CB. So they took the best ATHLETE, guess who, Van to make the move to CB. Which proves the kid has skills.

I'll even go as far as to say skills to pay the bills (NFL, CFL)? Does Kirk?

 

[CatzWillRise]

I don't think Northern Colorado would trade Bumpas.
I don't think NAU would trade Bauman.
Shaw was 6th in punting in the conference last year... and Wilder from NAU (#1) is back.
JJ would start for everyone except for maybe MSU and Sac.
Van hasn't played a down yet.

Othern than that, I wouldn't argue too much. I'd be lying if I said most of those guys wouldn't start at MSU, but it's all hearsay. JJ wouldn't this year, Van wouldn't this year, Shaw wouldn't this year, Kidder probably wouldn't. I'd take your LBs on that list and the OL though if you're just giving them away.

YEAH, :roll:, because EVERYONE wants a 3 TIME LOSER QB that couldn't accomplish squat in the playoffs versus a QB that dominated in his playoff run. :roll: GOOD CHRIST, will the insanity ever end in bozangeles?

You guys cannot seriously be that biased or stupid. Can't you understand the point he was making? Of course most Cat fans will say DM is better, and probably a bunch of griz fans would choose JJ, however I have some good friends that are huge griz fans and they even say that he may end up being better but it's too early in his career to say for sure.

The point was, that if he were in Bozo... he'd still be stuck behind DM. Do you honestly think the coaching staff would have benched the National Player of the Year, All American DM after his Freshman year, and put JJ in there? If you do then you guys are dumber than I thought.

Talk about TRUTH HURTS and biased/stupid...the point is JJ is better than DM, period.

And furthur more, there would have been no need to bench DM after his FR year if JJ was a cat then because JJ would have started before DM.

cat fans like DM, Griz fans like JJ. The playoffs like JJ.

Let's settle this matter of who's the better QB on the field, like JJ does and DM doesn't.

JJ couldn't even beat out who, Justin Roper and Andrew Selle on a UM team that didn't make the playoffs his freshman year?

 

[wbtfg]

Kirk is a tireless worker who has willed his way to achieve at a far greater level than he probably should have. If you want to knock that, then, well, I guess that's your prerogative....man

 

[George Ferguson]

Poorgriz, it's not stupid to biased. I love how everybody gets mad when fans ACT LIKE FANS!! We're supposed to like who we like and believe we're better. WTF would we cheer for a team and love said team so much otherwise?

Having said that, I agree about McGhee and I'm not biased towards him. He's proven himself. His playoff critics are unfounded. He's flat-out carried Montana State to new heights on his shoulders for four years, He deserves every accolade he has coming his way. Although I'm quite certain he didn't, at any time win the national player of the year award for the FCS as someone mentioned above. That's the Peyton Award and I know I would have heard if he would have won that. Anyway, no, we all realize, JJ wouldn't unseat DM as the starter right now if he moved to Bozeman. But that biased thing you speak of, something tells me that EVEN IF, at season's end, JJ is Player of the Year, First Team All-Conference and just flatout lights it up, you and many other Cat posters will be right back here next August talking about scrums and completion percentages to tell us how you wouldn't trade Prukop or Bleskin for JJ any day of the week.

 

[Griz2k]

Kirk is a pretty good back and frankly I have no idea what Van can do...as far as I can tell, he hasn't done a whole lot in his collegiate career up to this point. Yes he was a big time recruit, but he needs to prove it on the field. He may be phenomenal, but who can say for certain right now?

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

No, I don't think Van would start in m catland, Bozeman, or Montana State. Not when you have an established senior who is top 3 in most all-time rushing stats at that school. He would get plenty of touches, ala Orenzo Davis, but Kirk is the one running out at the start of the game.

It's very impressive he got a LOI to Florida, and I wish the kid well.

Do you think he is going to start at UM? That's an honest question, I haven't kept too up to date.

And we can argue bout JJ vs DM all day. There is no obvious winner to me, and I wouldn't call anyone names for choosing one or the other. But then again I'm an adult. JJ has had better success in the playoffs, but 1 season a legacy does not make. What if JJ has two more trips, and goes 0-2? What if he never makes the playoffs again? Highly unlikely in my opinion, but if JJ doesn't win a championship (more likely), then how do we compare? Neither QB won the big game, it would just be who won more playoff game.

You are a classy poster, I'll give you that. Don't take my last couple posts to heart too much, I was just having a little Griz/Cat fun. I usually keep the "fun" at bay, but had a little fun this time around.

Wether Van takes the first snap of the year on the field or not is anyone's guess, but I'll tell you this much, he is clearly the best RB on the Griz. It's not even close.

We can all compare the two QBs after JJ gets his senior year completed. Should be fun. They are both great.

 

[cclarkblues]

I'm confused.

Only on eGriz can a guy read two full pages of a thread and not be able to figure out if it's a pro-Griz thread, or not. :?

this is nothing. i'm WAY more impressed that a thread here regarding forest fires can still manage to turn into pissing matches involving lawyers and politics.

great stuff as always. :thumb:

We are the best at what we do. It is like watching that high speed train wreck in Spain, only several times a day.

 

[BigSkyBears]

I don't think your QB would start of Lobato and I don't think I would take your LB over Bumpas. They're close, but I wouldn't start any of those players over what those two UNC Bears.

I would take Bumpas over anybody in the conference.

Lobato? Did the wind switch and push that green cloud over Boulder into Greeley?

Bumpas only looks so good because he's forced to do 70% of the work on that team.

So why did we win most of our games without him last season?

 

[mikegriz]

So we're supposed to argue that the upperclassmen (which is basically your list) are better right now than most of the other players, or something to that effect? Brilliant...

and also that the true freshmen we have brought in and haven't had time to grow, learn the system, and establish themselves aren't as good and don't make the list? Again, what a thinker.

And Alpha's internet groupies get off on agreeing. What's to agree on? The premise makes little sense. Isn't there a season starting where about a whole bunch of guys get to go out and prove themselves, have breakout years, get injured...? Try and play as a team? Your world is black and white...your prognostications are generally obvious and poorly stated. Get better.

Stop making sense!

 

[Walkon79]

Poorgriz, it's not stupid to biased. I love how everybody gets mad when fans ACT LIKE FANS!! We're supposed to like who we like and believe we're better. WTF would we cheer for a team and love said team so much otherwise?

Having said that, I agree about McGhee and I'm not biased towards him. He's proven himself. His playoff critics are unfounded. He's flat-out carried Montana State to new heights on his shoulders for four years, He deserves every accolade he has coming his way. Although I'm quite certain he didn't, at any time win the national player of the year award for the FCS as someone mentioned above. That's the Peyton Award and I know I would have heard if he would have won that. Anyway, no, we all realize, JJ wouldn't unseat DM as the starter right now if he moved to Bozeman. But that biased thing you speak of, something tells me that EVEN IF, at season's end, JJ is Player of the Year, First Team All-Conference and just flatout lights it up, you and many other Cat posters will be right back here next August talking about scrums and completion percentages to tell us how you wouldn't trade Prukop or Bleskin for JJ any day of the week.

:agree: And BTW, if all this happens, Bleskin OR Prukop are better than JJ right NOW!