Trumaine Johnson

[AllWeatherFan]

People, let's all reserve judgment until we've heard Paoli's side of the story.

 

[Ursa Major]

Has been the problem in the past! Not saying anyone is guilty of a crime here exept for those that will continually justify and rationalize any current or former Griz player's actions!

Actually, the biggest problem here is people, like yourself, who continually jump to conclusions, ignore facts, post incorrect information, don't believe in US constitutional rights (including the presumption of innocence and due process), don't understand or have an appreciation of the criminal process, don't understand that an arrest or charge often does not lead to conviction of the charge, and then, even after little or nothing of the incident, continues to treat the initial charge as fact even after the charge has been dropped or gone away. The lack of respect--even ignorance--for the US constitution by some of you is quite astounding--actually frightening.

Stop Spinning!!!

You are either intentionally or unintentionally taking my comments out of context and flooding the discussion with non sequiturs to confuse or muddy the intent of my post. My comments aren’t aimed at Johnson, the US Constitution, due process or DUI laws. My comments are directed at Montana Grizzly supporters/boosters like YOU! Those that as soon as an athlete gets into trouble, rush in to blindly defend them at all costs (including common sense) and go to incredible lengths to rationalize and minimalize their actions. Remember your comments about Beau after he was initially accused of rape? I bet you wish you could take that back don't you?

This incident has nothing to do with texting while driving, yet you injected it into the conversation so you can rationalize and minimize this young man’s potential actions. I don’t have any idea if he is guilty or innocent of this charge or what the final outcome of this case will be. He’ll have his day in court and hopefully justice is served. My point is how some Griz supporters historically act when an athlete gets into these types of problems. As I understand it, this is the reason why the program is distancing itself from some boosters.

SO apparently the Griz Athletic department seems to agree with my position.

I don't believe in blindly rushing to judge these young people as "thugs" or "angels". To do either is foolish.

 

[Ursa Major]

People, let's all reserve judgment until we've heard Paoli's side of the story.

I understand a cardboard cutout is in the works!

 

[cclarkblues]

It really doesn't matter whether he gets off or not. The incident just cements the idea that the UofM is full of "thugs" in the minds of most of America.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Has been the problem in the past! Not saying anyone is guilty of a crime here exept for those that will continually justify and rationalize any current or former Griz player's actions!

Actually, the biggest problem here is people, like yourself, who continually jump to conclusions, ignore facts, post incorrect information, don't believe in US constitutional rights (including the presumption of innocence and due process), don't understand or have an appreciation of the criminal process, don't understand that an arrest or charge often does not lead to conviction of the charge, and then, even after little or nothing of the incident, continues to treat the initial charge as fact even after the charge has been dropped or gone away. The lack of respect--even ignorance--for the
US constitution by some of you is quite astounding--actually frightening.

Stop Spinning!!!

You are either intentionally or unintentionally taking my comments out of context and flooding the discussion with non sequiturs to confuse or muddy the intent of my post. My comments aren’t aimed at Johnson, the US Constitution, due process or DUI laws. My comments are directed at Montana
Grizzly supporters/boosters like YOU! Those that as soon as an athlete gets into trouble, rush in to blindly defend them at all costs (including common sense) and go to incredible lengths to rationalize and minimalize their actions. Remember your comments about Beau after he was initially accused of rape? I bet you wish you could take that back don't you?

This incident has nothing to do with texting while driving, yet you injected it into the conversation so you can rationalize and minimize this young man’s potential actions. I don’t have any idea if he is
guilty or innocent of this charge or what the final outcome of this case will be. He’ll have his day in court and hopefully justice is served. My point is how some Griz supporters historically act when an athlete gets into these types of problems. As I understand it, this is the reason why the program is distancing itself from some boosters.

SO apparently the Griz Athletic department seems to agree with my position.

I don't believe in blindly rushing to judge these young people as "thugs" or "angels". To do either is
foolish.

Sounds like you don't understand much. You seem to think our AD's phone is ringing off the hook with all these "boosters" trying to get any athlete off the hook if they get cited for anything. You are imagining problems that don't exist. I'm curious to know who all these sleazy "boosters" are that the program is distancing itself from

 

[PTGrizzly]

None of that means that drinking and driving is safe though, and I'm pretty sure that's what matters.

Simply put, there's no excuse for someone like Tru to do something like this. He clearly has the money for a taxi, and he has a job that doesn't exactly look highly upon things like this, especially since he has been in trouble before. There's no way to justify this. He did something very stupid. End of story.

Actually, an arrest or legal charge is often the beginning of the story--not the end of the story. We'll see what happens with this one.

Yes, studies showing that texting and driving is 6 times more dangerous than driving while drunk doesn't mean drinking and driving is safe, but it does put some perspective and the comments that drinking and driving is incredibly dangerous or some horrible crime. Hundreds of thousands of people drive after drinking every night, without incident.

Are you actually trying to justify drinking and driving just because it's a former Griz athlete?

You're a sad and pathetic little man. It doesn't matter if texting and driving is more dangerous, that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nothing. Drinking and driving is still dangerous, whether hundreds of thousands of people get away with it or not.

Who's trying to justify drinking and driving? Not me. I'm just putting it in perspective, and pointing out a dui arrest does not equal a dui. People like you want to crucify people for allegedly drinking and driving, yet you text and drive and drive while talking on a cell phone all the time. You are more dangerous than someone who has a few beers and drives.

Let's bet $100 whether Johnson sends up being convicted of or pleading to a dui. If he does, you get $100. If not, then you pay me $100. Let's see if you have the balls to put your money where your mouth is.

I'm not going to bet on anything, because we all know that our law system is shit. It's not whether anybody is truly innocent or guilty, but it's whether a lawyer can find a loophole.

Now then, you have no idea if I drive while texting or talking on a cell phone (I don't), so you can go ahead and quit that talk. Tru broke the law, there's no doubt of that. If he was sober, is there any reason why he wouldn't take a breathalyzer? That answer is no. An innocent person would've taken it because he has nothing to worry about. Most people know that if you've had a couple drinks, you don't drive (this is excluding Alpha of course). And you're not really putting it in perspective, you're just trying to make it seem like this isn't a big deal because some studies have shown that texting and driving is more dangerous. I don't care. Kid can't seem to stay out of trouble with the law, he's obviously got some issues.

 

[PTGrizzly]

oh gawd, the egriz legal 'dream team' is at it again. i swear, if a griz player was charged with murder you clowns would be saying 'well, it was only a single murder. apparently all the holier-than-thou's out there don't realize that multiple murders are much worse, especially when there are children involved' - as if that has anything to do with what happened.

anyway, please proceed. it will be entertaining, if nothing else.

There are several studies that say that spanking your child is just as bad, if not worse than murdering somebody. I'm sure some of you have spanked a child before. Just something to keep in mind while Young Johnny is being falsely accused of this horrid crime.

 

[GrizMusician]

God forbid that I ever need a lawyer... but if I do remind me to hire PR & UMGriz75... They had me convinced for a moment that texting while driving is as bad as drunk driving. I've gotta hand it to you fellas... you're good at what you do. :lol:

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[Ursa Major]

Has been the problem in the past! Not saying anyone is guilty of a crime here exept for those that will continually justify and rationalize any current or former Griz player's actions!

Actually, the biggest problem here is people, like yourself, who continually jump to conclusions, ignore facts, post incorrect information, don't believe in US constitutional rights (including the presumption of innocence and due process), don't understand or have an appreciation of the criminal process, don't understand that an arrest or charge often does not lead to conviction of the charge, and then, even after little or nothing of the incident, continues to treat the initial charge as fact even after the charge has been dropped or gone away. The lack of respect--even ignorance--for the
US constitution by some of you is quite astounding--actually frightening.

Stop Spinning!!!

You are either intentionally or unintentionally taking my comments out of context and flooding the discussion with non sequiturs to confuse or muddy the intent of my post. My comments aren’t aimed at Johnson, the US Constitution, due process or DUI laws. My comments are directed at Montana
Grizzly supporters/boosters like YOU! Those that as soon as an athlete gets into trouble, rush in to blindly defend them at all costs (including common sense) and go to incredible lengths to rationalize and minimalize their actions. Remember your comments about Beau after he was initially accused of rape? I bet you wish you could take that back don't you?

This incident has nothing to do with texting while driving, yet you injected it into the conversation so you can rationalize and minimize this young man’s potential actions. I don’t have any idea if he is
guilty or innocent of this charge or what the final outcome of this case will be. He’ll have his day in court and hopefully justice is served. My point is how some Griz supporters historically act when an athlete gets into these types of problems. As I understand it, this is the reason why the program is distancing itself from some boosters.

SO apparently the Griz Athletic department seems to agree with my position.

I don't believe in blindly rushing to judge these young people as "thugs" or "angels". To do either is
foolish.

Sounds like you don't understand much. You seem to think our AD's phone is ringing off the hook with all these "boosters" trying to get any athlete off the hook if they get cited for anything. You are imagining problems that don't exist. I'm curious to know who all these sleazy "boosters" are that the program is distancing itself from

Fair enough comment on what I wrote, WaGriz. It was not my intent, I jumped from point A to point C there. I should have been clearer, something like this:

"My point is how some Griz supporters historically act when an athlete gets into these types of problems. These types of overzealous boosters are the problem. Those that give student athletes unfair advantages or material goods (e.g. meals, liquor) that ordinary students do not receive. As I understand it, this is the reason why the program is distancing itself from some boosters."

SOME posters on this thread have been rumored to have been asked to back off. Perhaps PR can add more here, he seems to know more about those kinds of things than most.

 

[UMGriz75]

God forbid that I ever need a lawyer... but if I do remind me to hire PR & UMGriz75... They had me convinced for a moment that texting while driving is as bad as drunk driving. I've gotta hand it to you fellas... you're good at what you do. :lol:

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Just as predicted, if TJ had been cited or arrested for "texting" it would be treated as a joke, rather than a morally despicable act.

Los Angeles Times: "Texters, you'd be better off driving drunk: Studies show that driving while texting is more dangerous than driving under the influence. Our laws and penalties don't reflect that."

No, they don't.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/03/opinion/la-oe-fumento-texting-20101003" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CDC classifies these as "distracted drivers."

"In 2011, 3,331 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver, compared to 3,267 in 2010. An additional, 387,000 people were injured in motor vehicle crashes involving a distracted driver in 2011, compared to 416,000 people injured in 2010." http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unlike DUIs, these statistics have to be taken mostly with a grain of salt since it is somewhat problematic as to how to determine "distraction" as a cause of death. Presumptively, a cell phone in the dead person's hand can account for the actual data, but there must be a significantly larger number where the cell phone goes flying.

But, there is another side to these statistics.

The fact is, 99.9% of people who have driven "DUI" have never had an accident in that condition, and given the levels of texting apparently going on, the same relative relationship exists there.

The relationship of DUIs to actual accidents is remarkably low. Most DUI citations result from tail light and other violations. Does that justify or excuse driving that way? No, but the danger of driving that way is just as significant as driving tired or texting. All three require volitional acts, which "can" result in tragedy and death even if the statistical relationship is somewhat low; there is a relationship.

My point was that it is characteristic of many in the community to find a severe moral flaw in one kind of volitional act, just as it treats a similarly dangerous volitional act jokingly in another.

A resulting dead person is just as dead, but the joke still goes on as evidenced here.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

God forbid that I ever need a lawyer... but if I do remind me to hire PR & UMGriz75... They had me convinced for a moment that texting while driving is as bad as drunk driving. I've gotta hand it to you fellas... you're good at what you do. :lol:

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Read up on texting and driving before you make more idiotic statements like this. Texting is far worse than drinking. Your eyes are not on the road you are splitting a hand eye coordination process between driving a "4000 lb loaded gun" while not watching the road and hammering out important things like "lol" and "brb" while not concentrating on driving. Some studies suggest you that your reaction time looking up from a text and reacting to the process of driving your car is 3 times worse than being twice the legal limit. Granted its momentary but it only takes a moment to travel the distance of a couple football fields and drive over some kid riding his bike while not wearing a helmet.

If only he had his helmet on

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[argh!]

God forbid that I ever need a lawyer... but if I do remind me to hire PR & UMGriz75... They had me convinced for a moment that texting while driving is as bad as drunk driving. I've gotta hand it to you fellas... you're good at what you do. :lol:

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Just as predicted, if TJ had been cited or arrested for "texting" it would be treated as a joke, rather than a morally despicable act.

Los Angeles Times: "Texters, you'd be better off driving drunk: Studies show that driving while texting is more dangerous than driving under the influence. Our laws and penalties don't reflect that."

No, they don't.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/03/opinion/la-oe-fumento-texting-20101003" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CDC classifies these as "distracted drivers."

"In 2011, 3,331 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver, compared to 3,267 in 2010. An additional, 387,000 people were injured in motor vehicle crashes involving a distracted driver in 2011, compared to 416,000 people injured in 2010." http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unlike DUIs, these statistics have to be taken mostly with a grain of salt since it is somewhat problematic as to how to determine "distraction" as a cause of death. Presumptively, a cell phone in the dead person's hand can account for the actual data, but there must be a significantly larger number where the cell phone goes flying.

But, there is another side to these statistics.

The fact is, 99.9% of people who have driven "DUI" have never had an accident in that condition, and given the levels of texting apparently going on, the same relative relationship exists there.

The relationship of DUIs to actual accidents is remarkably low. Most DUI citations result from tail light and other violations. Does that justify or excuse driving that way? No, but the danger of driving that way is just as significant as driving tired or texting. All three require volitional acts, which "can" result in tragedy and death even if the statistical relationship is somewhat low; there is a relationship.

My point was that it is characteristic of many in the community to find a severe moral flaw in one kind of volitional act, just as it treats a similarly dangerous volitional act jokingly in another.

A resulting dead person is just as dead, but the joke still goes on as evidenced here.

speaking of assumptions, you make quite a big one yourself by assuming that readers of egriz would treat an arrest for texting while driving as a 'joke'. what planet do you live on? we've all seen what a danger assholes who text and drive can be, to the point that i'll make my own bold assumption and state that a goodly percentage of people on this board would applaud the arrest of anyone who was texting while driving. however, if blathering about cell phone use by drivers in a thread about someone charged with a dui somehow gives you the feeling of having a superior morality, well then, please continue.

 

[UMGriz75]

speaking of assumptions, you make quite a big one yourself by assuming that readers of egriz would treat an arrest for texting while driving as a 'joke'. what planet do you live on? we've all seen what a danger assholes who text and drive can be, to the point that i'll make my own bold assumption and state that a goodly percentage of people on this board would applaud the arrest of anyone who was texting while driving. however, if blathering about cell phone use by drivers in a thread about someone charged with a dui somehow gives you the feeling of having a superior morality, well then, please continue.

You're still angry aren't you?

Get over it.

 

[PlayerRep]

Has been the problem in the past! Not saying anyone is guilty of a crime here exept for those that will continually justify and rationalize any current or former Griz player's actions!

Actually, the biggest problem here is people, like yourself, who continually jump to conclusions, ignore facts, post incorrect information, don't believe in US constitutional rights (including the presumption of innocence and due process), don't understand or have an appreciation of the criminal process, don't understand that an arrest or charge often does not lead to conviction of the charge, and then, even after little or nothing of the incident, continues to treat the initial charge as fact even after the charge has been dropped or gone away. The lack of respect--even ignorance--for the US constitution by some of you is quite astounding--actually frightening.

Stop Spinning!!!

You are either intentionally or unintentionally taking my comments out of context and flooding the discussion with non sequiturs to confuse or muddy the intent of my post. My comments aren’t aimed at Johnson, the US Constitution, due process or DUI laws. My comments are directed at Montana Grizzly supporters/boosters like YOU! Those that as soon as an athlete gets into trouble, rush in to blindly defend them at all costs (including common sense) and go to incredible lengths to rationalize and minimalize their actions. Remember your comments about Beau after he was initially accused of rape? I bet you wish you could take that back don't you?

This incident has nothing to do with texting while driving, yet you injected it into the conversation so you can rationalize and minimize this young man’s potential actions. I don’t have any idea if he is guilty or innocent of this charge or what the final outcome of this case will be. He’ll have his day in court and hopefully justice is served. My point is how some Griz supporters historically act when an athlete gets into these types of problems. As I understand it, this is the reason why the program is distancing itself from some boosters.

SO apparently the Griz Athletic department seems to agree with my position.

I don't believe in blindly rushing to judge these young people as "thugs" or "angels". To do either is foolish.

I'm not spinning. Just putting things in perspective and pointing out and poking holes in ridiculous comments.

I've been substantively correct on every single legal matter for which I had knowledge of the the legal aspects or the facts. Every single one of them. In August, I said JJ would not be convicted. Within a few days after the ecstasy incident, I predicted what would happen. Both were absolutely correct. I said nothing about the convenience store incident. I don't support all UM athletics on legal issues; I comment only on the ones where I have some knowledge, either specific or generally. As for Donaldson, I don't regret my comment at all, and do not want to take it back. I made my comment on him, because I knew him a bit (as did my daughter who knew and liked him from high school), liked him, and had been told by multiple people that he was a good kid. I knew nothing of the facts or the legal situation at the time (as I normally do when I comment). He made a big mistake, but I still support him. If he were to ask me to help him when he gets out, I would help him.

 

[PlayerRep]

Ursa, I have not heard that any people or supporters have been asked to "back off". All the supporters I know are being asked to step up, to support the ongoing fundraising. What I did hear recently is that try as they might, the ncaa has not been able to find anything of significance at UM. I suppose the ncaa may try to try to make a big deal of a bunch of what most people think are little things.

 

[PlayerRep]

Ursa (and others who appear not to believe in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights), go look at the Pabst blog linked in another thread. She clearly lays out why we should all believe in the Constitution.

 

[Ursa Major]

Ursa (and others who appear not to believe in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights), go look at the Pabst blog linked in another thread. She clearly lays out why we should all believe in the Constitution.

**mod edit**

 

[GrizMusician]

Ursa (and others who appear not to believe in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights), go look at the Pabst blog linked in another thread. She clearly lays out why we should all believe in the Constitution.

**mod edit**

What are you... twelve? :roll:

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[Hammer]

Ursa (and others who appear not to believe in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights), go look at the Pabst blog linked in another thread. She clearly lays out why we should all believe in the Constitution.

**mod edit**

What are you... twelve? :roll:

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No shit! It's scary to even think about the websites he visited to find that photo. Sick bastard!

 

[GrizMusician]

Ursa (and others who appear not to believe in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights), go look at the Pabst blog linked in another thread. She clearly lays out why we should all believe in the Constitution.

**mod edit**

What are you... twelve? :roll:

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No shit! It's scary to even think about the websites he visited to find that photo. Sick bastard!

No kidding! :lol:

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