True threat to NDSU not even in FCS

[gobison]

People forget that western Minnesota is local for Fargo since it's on the eastern edge of ND. A kid from Williston or Beach ND is farther away from home at NDSU than Alexandria or Bemidji MN.

 

[Hammerhead]

Minnesota does have higher academic requirements which is why some of the local kids aren't recruited by the Gophers. The giant campus in the twin cities does intimidate some kids from going there. My wife (who lived 70 miles from Mpls.) is from a smaller city and never even considered the U even though she had the grades to do so. Even my cousins who live in the metro area ended up going to small schools like Winona State and UW-Whitewater.

I don't feel like digging out old game programs right now, but I think there just as many -- probably even more -- starters from North Dakota in the FCS era than there was in the 80s when we dominated D-II and I was in college.

 

[Cringer]

I have to laugh when I always see these posts about how people think our roster should be comprised primarily of North Dakotans.....

I was looking for some of these posts. Didn't find one. It's cool that you can laugh at things that aren't real. There was this plastic bag lady in Venice Beach who used to do the same thing. Ol' Plastic Patty. She would take her government-issued dentures out and really get after it if the price was right.

The very first post of the thread poses the question why we have more MN kids than ND kids their Sherlock and I have seen it addressed in one form or another in a few other threads over the last few years.

No, the very first post of this thread points out that you have more MN kids than ND kids, but it certainly doesn't question your motives. The post does question why you were beating the University of Minnesota with Minnesota talent, but it doesn't criticize the practice of recruiting from Minnesota anywhere. It is asinine to criticize you guys for practices resulting in incredible results. If anything, I am criticizing the Gophers for overlooking their own backyard, and letting talent get away. Right now, I would settle for a shot at the playoffs for the Griz, but I am pleased we weathered the storm as well as we have (NCAA sanctions). I like to fancy myself a, "big picture," guy.

P.S.

Just a tip, don't use "their," when you mean "there," and call someone Sherlock. I'm just sayin......

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I have to laugh when I always see these posts about how people think our roster should be comprised primarily of North Dakotans.....

I was looking for some of these posts. Didn't find one. It's cool that you can laugh at things that aren't real. There was this plastic bag lady in Venice Beach who used to do the same thing. Ol' Plastic Patty. She would take her government-issued dentures out and really get after it if the price was right.

The very first post of the thread poses the question why we have more MN kids than ND kids their Sherlock and I have seen it addressed in one form or another in a few other threads over the last few years.

No, the very first post of this thread points out that you have more MN kids than ND kids, but it certainly doesn't question your motives. The post does question why you were beating the University of Minnesota with Minnesota talent, but it doesn't criticize the practice of recruiting from Minnesota anywhere. It is asinine to criticize you guys for practices resulting in incredible results. If anything, I am criticizing the Gophers for overlooking their own backyard, and letting talent get away. Right now, I would settle for a shot at the playoffs for the Griz, but I am pleased we weathered the storm as well as we have (NCAA sanctions). I like to fancy myself a, "big picture," guy.

P.S.

Just a tip, don't use "their," when you mean "there," and call someone Sherlock. I'm just sayin......

Couldn't have done it better myself. Go home, HERD.

 

[THE HERD]

I have to laugh when I always see these posts about how people think our roster should be comprised primarily of North Dakotans.....

I was looking for some of these posts. Didn't find one. It's cool that you can laugh at things that aren't real. There was this plastic bag lady in Venice Beach who used to do the same thing. Ol' Plastic Patty. She would take her government-issued dentures out and really get after it if the price was right.

The very first post of the thread poses the question why we have more MN kids than ND kids their Sherlock and I have seen it addressed in one form or another in a few other threads over the last few years.

No, the very first post of this thread points out that you have more MN kids than ND kids, but it certainly doesn't question your motives. The post does question why you were beating the University of Minnesota with Minnesota talent, but it doesn't criticize the practice of recruiting from Minnesota anywhere. It is asinine to criticize you guys for practices resulting in incredible results. If anything, I am criticizing the Gophers for overlooking their own backyard, and letting talent get away. Right now, I would settle for a shot at the playoffs for the Griz, but I am pleased we weathered the storm as well as we have (NCAA sanctions). I like to fancy myself a, "big picture," guy.

P.S.

Just a tip, don't use "their," when you mean "there," and call someone Sherlock. I'm just sayin......

Fair enough..I took your first post the wrong way I guess. As far as criticizing the Gophers for overlooking their backyard they did do that when Brewster was the HC, but Kill is doing a much better job keeping the talent in state. Again though they only have so many schollys.

 

[THE HERD]

I was looking for some of these posts. Didn't find one. It's cool that you can laugh at things that aren't real. There was this plastic bag lady in Venice Beach who used to do the same thing. Ol' Plastic Patty. She would take her government-issued dentures out and really get after it if the price was right.

The very first post of the thread poses the question why we have more MN kids than ND kids their Sherlock and I have seen it addressed in one form or another in a few other threads over the last few years.

No, the very first post of this thread points out that you have more MN kids than ND kids, but it certainly doesn't question your motives. The post does question why you were beating the University of Minnesota with Minnesota talent, but it doesn't criticize the practice of recruiting from Minnesota anywhere. It is asinine to criticize you guys for practices resulting in incredible results. If anything, I am criticizing the Gophers for overlooking their own backyard, and letting talent get away. Right now, I would settle for a shot at the playoffs for the Griz, but I am pleased we weathered the storm as well as we have (NCAA sanctions). I like to fancy myself a, "big picture," guy.

P.S.

Just a tip, don't use "their," when you mean "there," and call someone Sherlock. I'm just sayin......

Couldn't have done it better myself. Go home, HERD.

I am home. Where you at? Your moms basement still??

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

There are four Minnesota guys who are on an NFL roster right now that played for NDSU. Craig Dahl, Ramon Humber, Paul Cornick, and Billy Turner. Of those, I believe Turner was the only player drafted. Pretty small in relation to how many players have come out of Minnesota and went to NDSU. Without looking, I would venture to guess Minnesota has significantly more Minnesota bred alumni playing in the NFL right now.

Did they miss out on a few kids? Yes maybe, but so did Wisconsin, Iowa, Iowa State, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, programs who also recruit Minnesota hard.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Talent is not necessarily relative to success either.

NDSU arguably had the most dominating defense in the history of the FCS last year and does not have a single player from that team on an NFL active roster. Montana has what two I believe from last year's team.

With the exception of CSU in 2012 and Ball State in 2006, I don't think NDSU has had more talent than any FBS team they have played, but as far as being a better team, well the results speak for themselves.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The very first post of the thread poses the question why we have more MN kids than ND kids their Sherlock and I have seen it addressed in one form or another in a few other threads over the last few years.

No, the very first post of this thread points out that you have more MN kids than ND kids, but it certainly doesn't question your motives. The post does question why you were beating the University of Minnesota with Minnesota talent, but it doesn't criticize the practice of recruiting from Minnesota anywhere. It is asinine to criticize you guys for practices resulting in incredible results. If anything, I am criticizing the Gophers for overlooking their own backyard, and letting talent get away. Right now, I would settle for a shot at the playoffs for the Griz, but I am pleased we weathered the storm as well as we have (NCAA sanctions). I like to fancy myself a, "big picture," guy.

P.S.

Just a tip, don't use "their," when you mean "there," and call someone Sherlock. I'm just sayin......

Couldn't have done it better myself. Go home, HERD.

I am home. Where you at? Your moms basement still??

You and I both know she gave me the upstairs guest room when you went away to ITT Tech in Minot.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Talent is not necessarily relative to success either.

NDSU arguably had the most dominating defense in the history of the FCS last year and does not have a single player from that team on an NFL active roster. Montana has what two I believe from last year's team.

With the exception of CSU in 2012 and Ball State in 2006, I don't think NDSU has had more talent than any FBS team they have played, but as far as being a better team, well the results speak for themselves.

Great post. It's a team sport. NDSU gets better in the second half of every game, and gets better in the second half of every season. That's great coaching and great preparation.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Talent is not necessarily relative to success either.

NDSU arguably had the most dominating defense in the history of the FCS last year and does not have a single player from that team on an NFL active roster. Montana has what two I believe from last year's team.

With the exception of CSU in 2012 and Ball State in 2006, I don't think NDSU has had more talent than any FBS team they have played, but as far as being a better team, well the results speak for themselves.

Great post. It's a team sport. NDSU gets better in the second half of every game, and gets better in the second half of every season. That's great coaching and great preparation.

The reasons for their success are as follows:

1.) Consistency of team identity. Run the ball and play good defense.
2.) Consistency of staff or staff who are familiar with the program and or buy into the team identity listed above.
3.) Recruiting Midwest kids who fit into the system.
4.) Arguably the best strength and conditioning coaches in the country.
5.) Great facilities.
6.) Great fan support and fans who demand results . If you aren't cutting it here you get axed (I have it on good authority that Bohl would have been fired with a missed playoff in 2010).

They have been one of the most consistent winning football teams of any division since the 1960's due to the formula above. They will fall back down to earth but it will take a lot of things to happen to royally screw it up.

 

[signedbewildered]

I'm fine with raisins in my cookies.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

I'm fine with raisins in my cookies.

Sorry it just cracks me up when people think they have NDSU's success figured out and start out with the same old Minnesota talent recruiting analysis.

Montana has fallen back in recent years due to no consistency in coaching staff and due to changing philosophy of the team multiple times from Hauck, to Pflugrad, to your current coach. Also from an outside fan, I think you strength and conditioning program has a lot to be desired. Montana players are sucking wind at the end of the games I have watched, and many of your players, while big, seem to lack strength.

It sure as shit isn't because they haven't been able to steal recruits from a Minnesota like NDSU has, or so is claimed on here.

 

[signedbewildered]

"Montana has fallen back in recent years due to no consistency in coaching staff and due to changing philosophy of the team multiple times from Hauck, to Pflugrad, to your current coach."

I think most of us would agree but we are still Griz and will someday be back where we were. You can't be top dog forever. <<< Take note.

....and I'm still fine with raisins in my cookies.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I'm fine with raisins in my cookies.

Sorry it just cracks me up when people think they have NDSU's success figured out and start out with the same old Minnesota talent recruiting analysis.

Montana has fallen back in recent years due to no consistency in coaching staff and due to changing philosophy of the team multiple times from Hauck, to Pflugrad, to your current coach. Also from an outside fan, I think you strength and conditioning program has a lot to be desired. Montana players are sucking wind at the end of the games I have watched, and many of your players, while big, seem to lack strength.

It sure as shit isn't because they haven't been able to steal recruits from a Minnesota like NDSU has, or so is claimed on here.

Your last paragraph.
Who claimed that?

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm fine with raisins in my cookies.

Sorry it just cracks me up when people think they have NDSU's success figured out and start out with the same old Minnesota talent recruiting analysis.

Montana has fallen back in recent years due to no consistency in coaching staff and due to changing philosophy of the team multiple times from Hauck, to Pflugrad, to your current coach. Also from an outside fan, I think you strength and conditioning program has a lot to be desired. Montana players are sucking wind at the end of the games I have watched, and many of your players, while big, seem to lack strength.

It sure as shit isn't because they haven't been able to steal recruits from a Minnesota like NDSU has, or so is claimed on here.

Agree that the frequent coaching changes have caused problems.

Don't agree with you on most of the strength coaches/program. The strength program under Pflu and into early Delaney had the players in better condition, for the hurry-up spread offense. However, they weren't as strong. The current strength coach is the coach who was with Hauck for his last 5 years, was the head strength coach at Syracuse before that, and is very good. He came back UNLV a year ago. The players are stronger this year.

The o-line is not big this year at all, by the way. Was last year.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

I'm fine with raisins in my cookies.

Sorry it just cracks me up when people think they have NDSU's success figured out and start out with the same old Minnesota talent recruiting analysis.

Montana has fallen back in recent years due to no consistency in coaching staff and due to changing philosophy of the team multiple times from Hauck, to Pflugrad, to your current coach. Also from an outside fan, I think you strength and conditioning program has a lot to be desired. Montana players are sucking wind at the end of the games I have watched, and many of your players, while big, seem to lack strength.

It sure as shit isn't because they haven't been able to steal recruits from a Minnesota like NDSU has, or so is claimed on here.

Your last paragraph.
Who claimed that?

Sorry nobody did. I meant to say it isn't why NDSU has had more success than other programs.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Man of anything, Nebraska is where we have been stealing kids. Kyle Emamuel, Christian Dudzik, RJ Urzendowski, Easton Stick (redshirt QB this year who had FBS offers from Miami OH, Rutgers, Akron), Nick DeLuca (true freshman 6'3 230 pound linebacker who many feel should be starting and had an FBS offer).

Really recruiting threat is Craig Bohl getting Nebraska kids to Wyoming, not Minnesota getting Minnesota kids.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

Man of anything, Nebraska is where we have been stealing kids. Kyle Emamuel, Christian Dudzik, RJ Urzendowski, Easton Stick (redshirt QB this year who had FBS offers from Miami OH, Rutgers, Akron), Nick DeLuca (true freshman 6'3 230 pound linebacker who many feel should be starting and had an FBS offer).

Really recruiting threat is Craig Bohl getting Nebraska kids to Wyoming, not Minnesota getting Minnesota kids.

like anyone here gives a shit