True threat to NDSU not even in FCS

[Zirg]

NDSU has ALWAYS relied on a heavy-Minnesota roster. It has NOTHING to do with their win over the Gophers. I remember when Solomonson left NDSU for MSU and brought with him his star recruit-Tetreault the MN MVP in 1987. Tetreault scored the only TD in a Griz-Bobcat drubbing. Solomonson couldn't bring enough Minnesotans though and his era was awful. NDSU's star RB went to my high-school, who routinely win state titles these days. I wish we could recruit MN better. There is a TON of over-looked IAA-types as the Gophers don't bother with more than a cpl in-state recruits each year and there are no I-AA teams in MN. It really is a recruiting gold-mine.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

So what is the topic for the Egriz weekly NDSU discussion next week?

I swear you guys have more of an infatuation with NDSU than a lot of NDSU fans do.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So what is the topic for the Egriz weekly NDSU discussion next week?

I swear you guys have more of an infatuation with NDSU than a lot of NDSU fans do.

You realize you posted that on eGriz.com, right? Didn't we do this dance before?

 

[Ursa Major]

I for one couldn't give a good shit about the University of North Dakota or their winning streak of 17 games.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Sooo, it looks like the griz d is figuring out the triple option..

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

So what is the topic for the Egriz weekly NDSU discussion next week?

I swear you guys have more of an infatuation with NDSU than a lot of NDSU fans do.

You realize you posted that on eGriz.com, right? Didn't we do this dance before?

Usually after I look at the scores on Saturday I stop by for a minute to read through the weekly NDSU bashing, NDSU praising, NDSU scouting post that is inevitably sure to show up on here.

It gives me a good laugh.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So what is the topic for the Egriz weekly NDSU discussion next week?

I swear you guys have more of an infatuation with NDSU than a lot of NDSU fans do.

You realize you posted that on eGriz.com, right? Didn't we do this dance before?

Usually after I look at the scores on Saturday I stop by for a minute to read through the weekly NDSU bashing, NDSU praising, NDSU scouting post that is inevitably sure to show up on here.

It gives me a good laugh.

You forgot the whole "make an account and post regularly" thing.
Makes sense, for a guy claiming infatuation. Haha, can't even make it up. Thanks for stopping by . . . again.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Okay CDA. You win.
Want a cookie or something?

 

[Cringer]

So what is the topic for the Egriz weekly NDSU discussion next week?

I swear you guys have more of an infatuation with NDSU than a lot of NDSU fans do.

Last I checked this is an FCS forum, and NDSU sat atop the division. My theory may not hold water, but it's not exactly chalk full of hate either. I do think Minnesota was overlooking local talent, and it hurt them. NDSU is wise to recruit there, and the proof is in their success. I do think a Minnesota player weighing his options will consider NDSU at this point over the Gophers, but we'll see. Maybe there is some jealousy as we have never had that advantage over the Pac 12 schools, and doubtful the Mountain West.

You lived it, you breathed it, I am probably wrong. However, the idea of an FCS fan base keeping their eyes on the dominant program is not infatuation; it's just smart.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

So what is the topic for the Egriz weekly NDSU discussion next week?

I swear you guys have more of an infatuation with NDSU than a lot of NDSU fans do.

Last I checked this is an FCS forum, and NDSU sat atop the division. My theory may not hold water, but it's not exactly chalk full of hate either. I do think Minnesota was overlooking local talent, and it hurt them. NDSU is wise to recruit there, and the proof is in their success. I do think a Minnesota player weighing his options will consider NDSU at this point over the Gophers, but we'll see. Maybe there is some jealousy as we have never had that advantage over the Pac 12 schools, and doubtful the Mountain West.

You lived it, you breathed it, I am probably wrong. However, the idea of an FCS fan base keeping their eyes on the dominant program is not infatuation; it's just smart.

No freaking way. The closest NDSU has ever come to this was with a kid out of Fargo South this year. He came very close to going to NDSU over a scholarship offer from Minnesota.

At the end of the day Minnesota is Big 10 and academically is one of the "public ivy" universities in the nation. NDSU has no advantage over Minnesota. All NDSU is doing is giving recruits an alternative to a preferred walk on offer.

It isn't like NDSU just all of a sudden burst onto the college football scene when they moved up in 2004. Since 1965, there is not a D2, FCS, or FBS school that has won more national titles than NDSU at 11. They have been getting Minnesota and Wisconsin kids for years and will continue to do so.

 

[Walkon79]

So I guess he's ready to give up the economic center of gravity for MT....

It's an inside family joke for decades. It has more to do with scenery and recreation. Basically Eastern MT looks more like ND. :thumb:

I always thought Western MT looked more like Northern Idaho...

Either way, I will take this area over that area.

Eastern MT is an acquired taste. But I would hate it west of the divide!

 

[Cringer]

So what is the topic for the Egriz weekly NDSU discussion next week?

I swear you guys have more of an infatuation with NDSU than a lot of NDSU fans do.

Last I checked this is an FCS forum, and NDSU sat atop the division. My theory may not hold water, but it's not exactly chalk full of hate either. I do think Minnesota was overlooking local talent, and it hurt them. NDSU is wise to recruit there, and the proof is in their success. I do think a Minnesota player weighing his options will consider NDSU at this point over the Gophers, but we'll see. Maybe there is some jealousy as we have never had that advantage over the Pac 12 schools, and doubtful the Mountain West.

You lived it, you breathed it, I am probably wrong. However, the idea of an FCS fan base keeping their eyes on the dominant program is not infatuation; it's just smart.

No freaking way. The closest NDSU has ever come to this was with a kid out of Fargo South this year. He came very close to going to NDSU over a scholarship offer from Minnesota.

At the end of the day Minnesota is Big 10 and academically is one of the "public ivy" universities in the nation. NDSU has no advantage over Minnesota. All NDSU is doing is giving recruits an alternative to a preferred walk on offer.

It isn't like NDSU just all of a sudden burst onto the college football scene when they moved up in 2004. Since 1965, there is not a D2, FCS, or FBS school that has won more national titles than NDSU at 11. They have been getting Minnesota and Wisconsin kids for years and will continue to do so.

Again, perhaps Minnesota is overlooking talent. Both have rosters with Minnesota representing highest state population, and NDSU was winning the war. Poor scouting on Minnesota's part? Maybe. You can't ignore the fact NDSU was beating Minnesota with Minnesota talent; impressive!

As far as the Minnesota Ivy comparision, come on. Really? The Ivy's will accept about 6-8% of applicants while Minnesota sits at 46% and couple standard deviations below in terms of standardized test scores. I saw the quotation marks, but people who actually think that have never even visited an ivy campus. Granted, Minnesota is an outstanding college, but the notion of a public ivy (maaaaaaybe Michigan) is absurd.

All of this is moot. We are "pooping" the bed in San Luis Obispo right now. Maybe our California recruits aren't as good as Cal Poly's?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Okay CDA. You win.
Want a cookie or something?

Yes. No fucking raisins either.

 

[Cringer]

So what is the topic for the Egriz weekly NDSU discussion next week?

I swear you guys have more of an infatuation with NDSU than a lot of NDSU fans do.

Last I checked this is an FCS forum, and NDSU sat atop the division. My theory may not hold water, but it's not exactly chalk full of hate either. I do think Minnesota was overlooking local talent, and it hurt them. NDSU is wise to recruit there, and the proof is in their success. I do think a Minnesota player weighing his options will consider NDSU at this point over the Gophers, but we'll see. Maybe there is some jealousy as we have never had that advantage over the Pac 12 schools, and doubtful the Mountain West.

You lived it, you breathed it, I am probably wrong. However, the idea of an FCS fan base keeping their eyes on the dominant program is not infatuation; it's just smart.

No freaking way. The closest NDSU has ever come to this was with a kid out of Fargo South this year. He came very close to going to NDSU over a scholarship offer from Minnesota.

At the end of the day Minnesota is Big 10 and academically is one of the "public ivy" universities in the nation. NDSU has no advantage over Minnesota. All NDSU is doing is giving recruits an alternative to a preferred walk on offer.

It isn't like NDSU just all of a sudden burst onto the college football scene when they moved up in 2004. Since 1965, there is not a D2, FCS, or FBS school that has won more national titles than NDSU at 11. They have been getting Minnesota and Wisconsin kids for years and will continue to do so.

Wait, isn't that an example of someone "considering," NDSU over Minnesota?

 

[THE HERD]

Most kids on our roster this year and every year come from Mn, with ND coming in second most years and WI coming in third. I have to laugh when I always see these posts about how people think our roster should be comprised primarily of North Dakotans.....hello..have you seen our population numbers??? Montana has about double our population....the numbers just aren't there to field a squad composed mainly of North Dakota kids....period end of story. Honest question for you Griz fans...do some of you think you have too many MT kids on your roster? Do most of you think you'd be better served recruiting just a few more out of state kids instead of having so many MT kids? We recruit MN hard for a couple of painfully simple facts 1)There is shit load of kids in MN and U of M cannot sign them all and 2) NDSU is about as close to MN as you could possibly be without actually being in MN. We don't win recruiting battles with the Gophers, it just comes down to the fact that the Gophs only have so many scholarships....they can't sign them all. The bottom line is that we look to recruit tough hard nosed kids from the Midwest, because that's the type of ball we play. That's what MN, ND, WI, SD and Nebraska kids bring to the table, they all have that same lunch pale mentality. MT kids would fall Into the same category, I just don't think there are enough of them to make up the majority of two Division One squads.

 

[Ursa Major]

Most kids on our roster this year and every year come from Mn, with ND coming in second most years and WI coming in third. I have to laugh when I always see these posts about how people think our roster should be comprised primarily of North Dakotans.....hello..have you seen our population numbers??? Montana has about double our population....the numbers just aren't there to field a squad composed mainly of North Dakota kids....period end of story. Honest question for you Griz fans...do some of you think you have too many MT kids on your roster? Do most of you think you'd be better served recruiting just a few more out of state kids instead of having so many MT kids? We recruit MN hard for a couple of painfully simple facts 1)There is shit load of kids in MN and U of M cannot sign them all and 2) NDSU is about as close to MN as you could possibly be without actually being in MN. We don't win recruiting battles with the Gophers, it just comes down to the fact that the Gophs only have so many scholarships....they can't sign them all. The bottom line is that we look to recruit tough hard nosed kids from the Midwest, because that's the type of ball we play. That's what MN, ND, WI, SD and Nebraska kids bring to the table, they all have that same lunch pale mentality. MT kids would fall Into the same category, I just don't think there are enough of them to make up the majority of two Division One squads.

Did you take your statin today, big guy?

 

[Cringer]

Most kids on our roster this year and every year come from Mn, with ND coming in second most years and WI coming in third. I have to laugh when I always see these posts about how people think our roster should be comprised primarily of North Dakotans.....hello..have you seen our population numbers??? Montana has about double our population....the numbers just aren't there to field a squad composed mainly of North Dakota kids....period end of story. Honest question for you Griz fans...do some of you think you have too many MT kids on your roster? Do most of you think you'd be better served recruiting just a few more out of state kids instead of having so many MT kids? We recruit MN hard for a couple of painfully simple facts 1)There is shit load of kids in MN and U of M cannot sign them all and 2) NDSU is about as close to MN as you could possibly be without actually being in MN. We don't win recruiting battles with the Gophers, it just comes down to the fact that the Gophs only have so many scholarships....they can't sign them all. The bottom line is that we look to recruit tough hard nosed kids from the Midwest, because that's the type of ball we play. That's what MN, ND, WI, SD and Nebraska kids bring to the table, they all have that same lunch pale mentality. MT kids would fall Into the same category, I just don't think there are enough of them to make up the majority of two Division One squads.

Anyone suggesting you do anything different (i.e. suggesting you recruit more ND kids) is an idiot. Not broke, don't fix it. My initial thought you were stealing recruits appears to be off. I think NDSU must be recruiting smarter. In the past ten years I think NDSU wins at minimum 5 out of 10, and potentially as high as 7 out of 10. There must be SOMETHING to that considering where the majority of recruits come from.

Montana players alone cannot self sustain two programs. Although ND has 3/4 the population of MT; not one half, and has one outstanding program. We have two very competitive programs at the moment. This is certainly not an apples to apples comparison.

I have a great respect for what NDSU has built. Arguably the strongest dynasty in FCS history. Not just because of the championships, but because of their success against BCS talent. App's win over Michigan was certainly the biggest, but NDSU's consistency is in my opinion more impressive. For a few years now they have been the best team in a fairly large radius; I think a strong Minnesota squad changes this, and impacts recruiting in some aspect. If they have the advantange many of you claim, why not cast your eyes on the talent NDSU is getting, and poach?

After tonight, the Griz have more relevant problems to consider. I would take a playoff appearance at this juncture.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I have to laugh when I always see these posts about how people think our roster should be comprised primarily of North Dakotans.....

I was looking for some of these posts. Didn't find one. It's cool that you can laugh at things that aren't real. There was this plastic bag lady in Venice Beach who used to do the same thing. Ol' Plastic Patty. She would take her government-issued dentures out and really get after it if the price was right.

 

[THE HERD]

I have to laugh when I always see these posts about how people think our roster should be comprised primarily of North Dakotans.....

I was looking for some of these posts. Didn't find one. It's cool that you can laugh at things that aren't real. There was this plastic bag lady in Venice Beach who used to do the same thing. Ol' Plastic Patty. She would take her government-issued dentures out and really get after it if the price was right.

The very first post of the thread poses the question why we have more MN kids than ND kids their Sherlock and I have seen it addressed in one form or another in a few other threads over the last few years.

 

[TxGriz]

Funny, I thought it made sense because Minnesota has more kids than North Dakota...and Fargo is basically in Minnesota

Let them be Minnesota, then my Dad's Idea of giving everything East of Bozeman to ND would finally become reality. :thumb:

So I guess he's ready to give up the economic center of gravity for MT....

It's an inside family joke for decades. It has more to do with scenery and recreation. Basically Eastern MT looks more like ND. :thumb:

Ya, I hear pine cones have a lot of fiber.