Tressel resigns at Ohio State... coaching dominos will fall

[spsyk]

David2,, why stop with an investigation of college athletics in the Congress shouldn't high school and Little Griz also be investigated and regulated with a hearing. Now lets get serious, a congressional investigation should convene immediately why McDonald's only puts two pickles on their cheeseburgers.

You know as well as I do that this is an absurd statement. So, tell me & us, how would you handle this situation? Is it only a media event? Will blow over in the next 24-hr. news cycle. BTW, ESPN Radio has it that Shaq is retiring. So, bye bye Tressel's case. Well, the media can let it go since that's what it always does. But, there's a festering problem in intercollegiate football that has to be faced, & since the NCAA doesn't have a handle on it, the only regents of last resort has to be the Congress, deride it however you may.

The only thing absurd about this thread, is you advocating that Congress, investigate and regulate college football.

It's not my job to handle this situation, and more so not the Congress job either, its the institutions and the oversight that these institutions installed NCAA to solve the problems.

If they don't then the product, football, and other athletics that these institutions provide will diminish and will suffer with the support of fans, supporters, sponsors, and money will dry up, and I can assure you that these institution will not let that happen.

How about advocating that Congress do something about $14.6 Trillion dollars of debt.

 

[griz8791]

The Sports Illustrated article just confirms what we already knew -- that big-time programs have to have a lot of guys on the roster who have absolutely no interest in going to class or getting a degree. Any move toward "full-cost" scholarships or whatever euphemism they're going to attach to it is only going to make it worse. If anybody is going to start up a legislative investigation, it ought to be the states whose taxpayers are financing a huge part of what amounts to a farm program for the NFL.

 

[getgrizzy]

Unfortunately it's not limited to BCS programs. The SI article includes some significant violations while Tressel was at Youngstown State.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/1.html

so if ysu was doing it way back when, then what about other fcs schools? or is it just tressel? oh wait, it's kiffin, pete carroll, gene stallings, bob davie...it's just big time programs.

Congress is a direct reflection of the people who elect the members of Congress.

We want everything, but we don't want to pay for anything. We have competing and conflicting objectives, so we elect people who compete and conflict with each other. And when we don't like the results, we blame Congress.

Similarly, we want our athletic programs to win at all costs, and when it comes time to pay those costs, we blame the NCAA. Or Congress.

We have met the enemy, and he is us. No, wait, actually he is Dave Squared.

spot on. except it's spastyk, not d2.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Now lets get serious, a congressional investigation should convene immediately why McDonald's only puts two pickles on their cheeseburgers.

You know as well as I do that this is an absurd statement.

Not as absurd as you might think; just a couple years ago the U.S. Congress did have a bill before them that required a vote on the number of holes there should be in Swiss Cheese sold in this country, and that's a fact.

 

[spsyk]

Now lets get serious, a congressional investigation should convene immediately why McDonald's only puts two pickles on their cheeseburgers.

You know as well as I do that this is an absurd statement.

Not as absurd as you might think; just a couple years ago the U.S. Congress did have a bill before them that required a vote on the number of holes there should be in Swiss Cheese sold in this country, and that's a fact.

WyomingGrizFan you don't seem to understand, you see David2 thinks that those evil Swiss cheese makers where steeling from the American people by making more holes and less cheese, and that constitutes a congressional hearing.

Now only two pickles is irrelevant and absurd, unless you love pickles.

 

[mtgrizrule]

The other day, I was listening to some XM sports radio station (sorry cannot remember which station). The show mentioned something that really stuck with me, and now I agree with.

They mentioned collegiate athletics being set up similar to UEFA, in having teams/programs be moved up or down in classification depending on a scoring system, in which would combine on the field performance, academics, graduation rates, running clean programs, and a few other criteria I cannot recall. In the case of NCAA athletics, more points weighed toward running clean programs, academics, then on the field performance.

Every year or 2 the lowest scored schools would move down a level, and the higher scored programs at a lesser level would move up in classification, with a minimum of 4 years at the classification before being eligible again for move. The exceptions of having not met minimum academic requirements, and/or having major violations within the programs. Programs failing either would be moved down immediately, and heavily fined as well.

The subject started in realm of professional athletics, then someone suggested applying it to NCAA athletics. At 1st I thought it was ridiculous, but after thinking more about it, I would like to see this researched further, and even considered.
(1) It would force college programs to recruit kids who want to be in college, and let those not wanting to be there pursuit other professional options.
(2) It would help minimize booster involvement, knowing if their school is caught it will hurt the school much more than it will help.
(3) More money is generated/rewarded to clean programs, which would give them more motivation to run clean programs.
(4) It gives better chances to schools like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Delaware knowing they can share in the wealth simply by playing by the rules, and minimizes the politics of moving up or not.
(5) State funded schools would also have money taken away from offending athletic programs.
(6) It increases the importance of holding players, coaches, boosters, AD's, and everyone more accountable for the welfare of each program.

Granted, a system like this would need a lot more research to determine something fair that achieves its purpose, but I do feel it is worth looking into, and implementing in time.

 

[Silvertip]

So, Tressel was a compliant mindless robot who took his sleazy marching orders from fans & boosters? Doesn't anybody believe in free will and personal responsibility any more? He created the mess at OSU willingly and with aforethought. Nobody else slipped the noose around his mangy neck. He did it himself.

Utter BS. See, you believe in the myth that intercollegiate football anymore is only a part of the college experience at a time when many, if not most students care nothing about their college's football program. They really don't. They're a different demographic from 50, etc., years ago. All that is supporting most intercollegiate football these days is, other than taxpayer dollars & student fees, is gate receipts from fans, TV deals, boosters, and big donors, many of whom are at the bottom of all these cases of NCAA violations. You are very naive if you think Tressel brought it down on himself.

No, there's a culture out there that has to be addressed re: intercollegiate football, and I think it's gone beyond the NCAA to control it. After all, university and college presidents have better things to do.

Try staying on point. The subject is Jim Tressel, not the entire pressuring universe of students, boosters, player agents, taxpayers, TV networks, donors, car dealers - or even the devil, who you might just as well have suggested made him do it. People of integrity don't lose their way because of the questionable ethics and ambitions of others. They have their own moral compass and changing times and "different demographics" have zero, nada, zip to do with it. Your wrong-headed assumption is that now, unlike half a century ago, anybody will abandon their values when enough force is brought to bear. What a crock.

 

[grizpack]

Blame the boosters. Blame the players. Blame the media. Blame the system. Blah, blah blah blah.

Whether he ignored these actions as they were happening or not (which I think he did), he got fired because he unquestionably was informed of them on numerous occasions, and then did nothing about it. And then he lied about knowing about them. That is why he was fired. It was his own actions that got him fired.

If he simply walked down the hall to the compliance officer the minute he was "informed" of the allegations, we wouldn't even be discussing this, and he would be coaching the first game of the 2011 season at OSU.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Last night, I heard a mention of Tony Dungy as a longshot candidate for the job. Not sure if it has much legs, but I think that would be a great hire for OSU.

 

[Grizzoola]

[Try staying on point. The subject is Jim Tressel, not the entire pressuring universe of students, boosters, player agents, taxpayers, TV networks, donors, car dealers - or even the devil, who you might just as well have suggested made him do it. People of integrity don't lose their way because of the questionable ethics and ambitions of others. They have their own moral compass and changing times and "different demographics" have zero, nada, zip to do with it. Your wrong-headed assumption is that now, unlike half a century ago, anybody will abandon their values when enough force is brought to bear. What a crock.

How about all those Wall Street machinations re: the housing market that brought this country down? Hmmmmm? Ok, there was one guy in there we can identify. Let's hang HIM. Then, the sacrificial lamb, wolf, or whatever you want to call him, will let us get back to what we want to do. Silvertip, IT'S THE CULTURE! :ugeek:

 

[Silvertip]

[Try staying on point. The subject is Jim Tressel, not the entire pressuring universe of students, boosters, player agents, taxpayers, TV networks, donors, car dealers - or even the devil, who you might just as well have suggested made him do it. People of integrity don't lose their way because of the questionable ethics and ambitions of others. They have their own moral compass and changing times and "different demographics" have zero, nada, zip to do with it. Your wrong-headed assumption is that now, unlike half a century ago, anybody will abandon their values when enough force is brought to bear. What a crock.

How about all those Wall Street machinations re: the housing market that brought this country down? Hmmmmm? Ok, there was one guy in there we can identify. Let's hang HIM. Then, the sacrificial lamb, wolf, or whatever you want to call him, will let us get back to what we want to do. Silvertip, IT'S THE CULTURE! :ugeek:

Try absorbing my original post. Culture? The only culture in your lame conspiracy baloney is in your Yoplait.
:lame:

 

[Grizzoola]

[Try staying on point. The subject is Jim Tressel, not the entire pressuring universe of students, boosters, player agents, taxpayers, TV networks, donors, car dealers - or even the devil, who you might just as well have suggested made him do it. People of integrity don't lose their way because of the questionable ethics and ambitions of others. They have their own moral compass and changing times and "different demographics" have zero, nada, zip to do with it. Your wrong-headed assumption is that now, unlike half a century ago, anybody will abandon their values when enough force is brought to bear. What a crock.

How about all those Wall Street machinations re: the housing market that brought this country down? Hmmmmm? Ok, there was one guy in there we can identify. Let's hang HIM. Then, the sacrificial lamb, wolf, or whatever you want to call him, will let us get back to what we want to do. Silvertip, IT'S THE CULTURE! :ugeek:

Try absorbing my original post. Culture? The only culture in your lame conspiracy baloney is in your Yoplait. :lame:

I can't believe how naive you are.