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Tressel resigns at Ohio State... coaching dominos will fall

Hey, mods. Could we please have a discussion on the main board, about an important topic and one that could result in bigger changes at the FCS level than anything that is currently on the horizon?

Breaking of ncaa rules is rampant at the top programs. This opinion piece makes some good points and mentions the topic of BCS schools breaking away from the ncaa, in part to get away from the ncaa rules.

"Some have speculated that if Ohio State and other big-time programs get nailed by the infractions committee in the coming years, the six BCS conferences and a few other power programs may break away and form their own super division that won’t have an encyclopedia-thick rule book."

"Pay the players, don’t worry about whether anyone graduates and count the cash as it rolls in.

That’s what should happen. Ninety-nine percent of the fans who attend college football and basketball games couldn’t care less if their players are being paid, whether they’re going to class, whether they’re selling memorabilia, receiving free tattoos or being ‘sold,’ cars for $100 down and pay the rest in touchdowns later."

"Let’s be clear about this: Jim Tressel didn’t “resign” because his players broke rules or because he lied or covered up those violations. He “resigned” for one reason: He got caught."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ohio-states-jim-tressel-gets-axed-but-rotting-wood-remains-in-college-athletics/2011/05/31/AGYF2PFH_story_1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
I think it is still too risky of a move for all but a few schools. Taking a state school into a clearly "for profit" arena wouldn't fly with most state governments.
 
I've said it before & I say it again & will continue saying it: Congress is going to have to lay down a law that defines college football programs in terms different from their present identity as accessories of the college experience. The BCS schools have now entered a different territory, esp. w/ their paying players beyond their scholarships.

IMO, & I think that of many others, big-time college football is, well, no longer college football. The machinations of the BCS football programs to make money puts them in the category of businesses, if the whole BCS cannot be classified as an industry, but it could well be an industry.

I believe Congress has to call hearings on where college football in this country is. It's gotten to the point that only Congress can make some sense of what's going on in college football, esp. at the BCS level. I can foresee these programs being declared businesses, taxed as such, and donations to these programs no longer tax-deductible as donations to a charity. It's time to call a spade a spade.

BTW, I don't know if donations to the Grizzly Scholarship Association are tax deductible. If they are, it could change due to the misadventures of the big boys.
 
Interesting. What about basketball and baseball? Would this would play a major role in a multi sport star's decision on what sport to play in college, at the expense of the other sports?
 
Grizbacker1 said:
tourist said:
The SI.com article summarizes everything. Due out in the June 6 edition of SI. According to the article, the problem revolves around their stud quarterback Ray Isaac and boosters. $10,000 over four years, and a car. Also, jobs for 13 football players, and other non-scholarship athletes paid by the universities director of athletic development. Self imposed sanctions and the expiration of the statute of limitations lead the NCAA to let Youngstown State keep its 1991 1-AA national title. Tressel left after the 2000 season, ten months after the investigation ended.
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Ohio State hired him after they knew he was an exceptional cheater, because that is what they needed to get The Ohio State back on top. What a bunch of pfucking losers. FT Buckeyes! :cry:
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this is what happens when it becomes semi-pro ball.....
 
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tressel-themed-billboard-in-Michigan-might-need" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
David2 said:
It's gotten to the point that only Congress can make some sense of what's going on in college football, esp. at the BCS level.
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This may be the first time in modern history that anyone believed that Congress could make sense of anything. I don't argue that someone a level above the NCAA has to step in and if that is Congress then so be it BUT if it could actually fall to a less political body to resolve the obvious issues then I'd say there is a hope for resolution in the next ten years. Otherwise, don't hold your breath...
 
Of course giving to the UM sports program is tax deductible. However, not 100% of the money can be used for deductions. Much attention is given to people, corporations etc. (that donate funds) from the IRS
and the UM athletic dept and GSA. A very strict guideline is placed on each donation so the person is schooled in the do's and don'ts. Example: Can't visit with any prospective player etc. :roll:

Restrictions on just what the money can go for. Example: One can not give to a certain HS kid. Also, one can not give to a certain sport without many many restrictions. Basic rules dictate that money you donate goes into the athletic dept and they spend it. You are able to point your money but the ultimate spender is the U. :!:
 
David2 said:
College football is corrupt only to the extent its fan base and boosters are corrupt. So, fans & boosters, better back down. You don't, Uncle Sam will be on your tail. :geek:
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Care to run that by again? So, Tressel was a compliant mindless robot who took his sleazy marching orders from fans & boosters? Doesn't anybody believe in free will and personal responsibility any more?
He created the mess at OSU willingly and with aforethought. Nobody else slipped the noose around his mangy neck. He did it himself.
 
I believe that most public universities are tax exempt due to be governmental entities and most private universities are tax exempt as 501c3's, i.e. private foundations formed for educational purposes. Some public universities have foundations organized under 501c3. UM has a foundation, and I assume it's a 501c3. At least under 501c3, income for business or quasi-business arms must be "substantially related" to the purpose of the 501c3. The substantially-related provision has been interpreted to be a bit broader than what the words might indicate. I believe that donations to these organizations, or at least 501c3's, are limited to 50% of the taxpayer's adjust gross income for those who itemize deductions. There are also "30%" organizations, i.e. deduction limited to 30% of AGI, but I think most private universities are 50% organizations. I believe most other limitations regarding donations are imposed by the university, and not the federal tax code. I suppose that an athletic department that truly became a for-profit arm and was fairly separate from the university could eventually run afoul with the substantially-related test.
 
PlayerRep said:
I believe that most public universities are tax exempt due to be governmental entities and most private universities are tax exempt as 501c3's, i.e. private foundations formed for educational purposes. Some public universities have foundations organized under 501c3. UM has a foundation, and I assume it's a 501c3. At least under 501c3, income for business or quasi-business arms must be "substantially related" to the purpose of the 501c3. The substantially-related provision has been interpreted to be a bit broader than what the words might indicate. I believe that donations to these organizations, or at least 501c3's, are limited to 50% of the taxpayer's adjust gross income for those who itemize deductions. There are also "30%" organizations, i.e. deduction limited to 30% of AGI, but I think most private universities are 50% organizations. I believe most other limitations regarding donations are imposed by the university, and not the federal tax code. I suppose that an athletic department that truly became a for-profit arm and was fairly separate from the university could eventually run afoul with the substantially-related test.
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At least we do not have worry about our athletic department and football team running a foul with finances, how can it when the money it generates goes toward rest the school? :thumb:
 
David2 said:
I've said it before & I say it again & will continue saying it: Congress is going to have to lay down a law that defines college football programs in terms different from their present identity as accessories of the college experience. The BCS schools have now entered a different territory, esp. w/ their paying players beyond their scholarships.

IMO, & I think that of many others, big-time college football is, well, no longer college football. The machinations of the BCS football programs to make money puts them in the category of businesses, if the whole BCS cannot be classified as an industry, but it could well be an industry.

I believe Congress has to call hearings on where college football in this country is. It's gotten to the point that only Congress can make some sense of what's going on in college football, esp. at the BCS level. I can foresee these programs being declared businesses, taxed as such, and donations to these programs no longer tax-deductible as donations to a charity. It's time to call a spade a spade.

BTW, I don't know if donations to the Grizzly Scholarship Association are tax deductible. If they are, it could change due to the misadventures of the big boys.
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Yes sir, Congress can handle this, lets review Congress's track record.


Social Security
Medicare
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
Post Office
Amtrak
$14.6 Trillion Dollar Debit
Stimulus
The economic stimulus bill
Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
Nationalization of Auto Companies, Financial Institutions,Insurance Companies,
Prohibition
Government Home Bailout
Cash for Clunkers
Socializing the education system
Frannie May
Freddie Mac
The War on Poverty
Medicaid
Head Start
The FHA Refinance Program Termination Act
(FHA) Short Refi Program,


These are just a few that I thought of in about, lets say 30 seconds, if you need more let me know.

David2,, why stop with an investigation of college athletics in the Congress shouldn't high school and Little Griz also be investigated and regulated with a hearing.

Now lets get serious, a congressional investigation should convene immediately why McDonald's only puts two pickles on their cheeseburgers.
 
Congress is a direct reflection of the people who elect the members of Congress.

We want everything, but we don't want to pay for anything. We have competing and conflicting objectives, so we elect people who compete and conflict with each other. And when we don't like the results, we blame Congress.

Similarly, we want our athletic programs to win at all costs, and when it comes time to pay those costs, we blame the NCAA. Or Congress.

We have met the enemy, and he is us. No, wait, actually he is Dave Squared.
 
spsyk said:
David2,, why stop with an investigation of college athletics in the Congress shouldn't high school and Little Griz also be investigated and regulated with a hearing. Now lets get serious, a congressional investigation should convene immediately why McDonald's only puts two pickles on their cheeseburgers.
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You know as well as I do that this is an absurd statement. So, tell me & us, how would you handle this situation? Is it only a media event? Will blow over in the next 24-hr. news cycle. BTW, ESPN Radio has it that Shaq is retiring. So, bye bye Tressel's case. Well, the media can let it go since that's what it always does. But, there's a festering problem in intercollegiate football that has to be faced, & since the NCAA doesn't have a handle on it, the only regents of last resort has to be the Congress, deride it however you may. :geek:
 
Silvertip said:
So, Tressel was a compliant mindless robot who took his sleazy marching orders from fans & boosters? Doesn't anybody believe in free will and personal responsibility any more? He created the mess at OSU willingly and with aforethought. Nobody else slipped the noose around his mangy neck. He did it himself.
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Utter BS. See, you believe in the myth that intercollegiate football anymore is only a part of the college experience at a time when many, if not most students care nothing about their college's football program. They really don't. They're a different demographic from 50, etc., years ago. All that is supporting most intercollegiate football these days is, other than taxpayer dollars & student fees, is gate receipts from fans, TV deals, boosters, and big donors, many of whom are at the bottom of all these cases of NCAA violations. You are very naive if you think Tressel brought it down on himself.

No, there's a culture out there that has to be addressed re: intercollegiate football, and I think it's gone beyond the NCAA to control it. After all, university and college presidents have better things to do.
 
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