Trailed Only Once All Year Entering the 4th

[grizfan95]

But lets also say that without the fumble, the Griz have another play. It makes sense to run what you think is a safe play that you think can be successful and leave a more risky call for that last play.

Agree with this. I think the coaches felt running the ball would actually catch the Cats off guard as all year we have had to rely on the pass to seal short yardage (remember UNI???).

I would have been shocked if the fourth down play was also a straight run instead of some roll-out run/pass option.

 

[grizfan95]

Some perspective:

This year for all Big Sky teams, the team that was leading at the start of the 4th quarter went 75-11 (87.2%). Griz accounted for over a third of those losses. UND was the only other team to give away a fourth quarter lead more than once.

Even though we weren't "great", from 2010-2017 we were 60-5 (92.3%) when we were leading or tied starting the 4th quarter. 3 of those losses came in 2012.

Bobby's teams from 2003-2009 went 77-5 (94%) when leading or tied going into the 4th. Coincidentally, 3 of his 5 losses came in 2003, his first year as coach. The other two were UMASS in 2006 and Wofford in 2007. The 2003 team went 8-3 (72.7%) with a lead or tied starting the fourth.

6-4 (60%) when leading or tied going into the fourth this year. That is almost literally unheard of for this program in modern history.

Really good research here. It's quite astonishing actually. All year we didn't have a real come from behind victory, but managed to allow 4. To dominate most games for 3 quarters and then just fall apart is shocking.

 

[grizband]

the 'no talent' spiel doesn't pass the eye test.

I think your eyes should watch the OL play on the fatal play from the 1 yesterday and tell me if they match up with the Cats DL.

what about the plays that got them down to the goal line?

They were long passes (2 or 3 long 3rd downs) that worked in spite of our offensive line deficiencies. I honestly believe their lines simply wore down our lines, which enabled their comeback in the 2nd half.

 

[kemajic]

This just shows how close BH was with a roster full of holes. But lets lynch to guy.

or how bob couldn't get it done, despite clearly having the talent to outperform the other team? that seems like the more logical conclusion.

To you and a few other Never Hauckers.

 

[kemajic]

the 'no talent' spiel doesn't pass the eye test.

I think your eyes should watch the OL play on the fatal play from the 1 yesterday and tell me if they match up with the Cats DL.

what about the plays that got them down to the goal line?

They were long passes (2 or 3 long 3rd downs) that worked in spite of our offensive line deficiencies. I honestly believe their lines simply wore down our lines, which enabled their comeback in the 2nd half.

You are right on point. It was Sneed and receivers that made many outstanding plays; frequently when he was running for his life. Imagine had we not had the mobility and talent of Sneed. Our OL was overmatched.

On D, we could not contain their running game when it counted, in spite of loading the box. Our DL was overmatched.

 

[Rxgrzz]

Exactly

 

[Dutch Lane]

You all seem to forget that Troy Andersen plays for them. Which team completely shut him down this season or last season? Did anyone honestly think that he wasn’t going to dictate the outcome? He had 3 tds yesterday and 2 last year against Stitt as a true freshman and remember he also played some defense in that game or probably would have a couple more. He could have had four tds yesterday but he unnecessarily pitched to Jones to spread the wealth around. Come on fellas stepup and enlighten us all how you egriz defensive warriors would have schemed to put the hurt on him and shut him down and beat the lowly bobcats. Really please be specific with your tactics and player personnel if you can and explain in detail why you think your scheme would have been more effective. Situational football fellas come on let’s do this who’s up first? :clap:

Ps. And don’t simply say you would have had a guy spying him like every other team did this season and they tried to do yesterday.

 

[kemajic]

You all seem to forget that Troy Andersen plays for them. Which team completely shut him down this season or last season? Did anyone honestly think that he wasn’t going to dictate the outcome? He had 3 tds yesterday and 2 last year against Stitt as a true freshman and remember he also played some defense in that game or probably would have a couple more. He could have had four tds yesterday but he unnecessarily pitched to Jones to spread the wealth around. Come on fellas stepup and enlighten us all how you egriz defensive warriors would have schemed to put the hurt on him and shut him down and beat the lowly bobcats. Really please be specific with your tactics and player personnel if you can and explain in detail why you think your scheme would have been more effective. Situational football fellas come on let’s do this who’s up first? :clap:

Ps. And don’t simply say you would have had a guy spying him like every other team did this season and they tried to do yesterday.

A start would be a DL that was not consistently pushed around, particularly later in the game, and unable to generate any penetration. Consuming their OL blocking would free our LBs to better make plays. MSU did lose 4 games and won another on a last minute XP miss. Aside from their line play and RB strengths, they had a lot of weaknesses. Our line play on both sides of the ball was a handicap all year.

 

[RobGriz]

How did our coaches out coach the other teams' coaches for basically the first 3 quarters of games, and then forget how to coach and get out coached in the 4th quarters?

how did the griz out play the other team three quarters, only to have them become better athletes in the fourth?

the 'no talent' spiel doesn't pass the eye test. only team i thought looked more athletic than montana was northern iowa.

Mrs Stitt,
When you have a predetermined agenda, very little passes the eye test. How is Oklahoma?

 

[Dutch Lane]

No doubt they have their weaknesses and did lose 4 games, but using the players available yesterday what could have been done differently against him. Their offensive line man handled the griz. When they had the ball on about the 6 inch line they physically pushed the entire defensive up field to get a first down in three running plays. The two point conversion was the same everybody knew it was goning to Troy and he did it again.

 

[bgbigdog]

I think your eyes should watch the OL play on the fatal play from the 1 yesterday and tell me if they match up with the Cats DL.

what about the plays that got them down to the goal line?

They were long passes (2 or 3 long 3rd downs) that worked in spite of our offensive line deficiencies. I honestly believe their lines simply wore down our lines, which enabled their comeback in the 2nd half.

You are right on point. It was Sneed and receivers that made many outstanding plays; frequently when he was running for his life. Imagine had we not had the mobility and talent of Sneed. Our OL was overmatched.

On D, we could not contain their running game when it counted, in spite of loading the box. Our DL was overmatched.

One even more costly malady. Jonson had 11 catches & outright dropped one in his hands - somehow Dutch’s big boy crush found him more than any other QB found any other opposing receiver this season. But Bobby said they couldn’t pass. The 45 yarder was a back breaker, & there were @ least four other catches that kept drives going. Anderson’s longest run was 20 yards, averaged less than five yards per attempt.

The offense was smoke & mirrors much of the season because they couldn’t block consistently & the defense was top five in the BSC in all but one statistical category. The defense held them to their averages on the ground & almost a full yd per carry less & 20 yards more passing. This one wasn’t on the defensive line.

Someone already pointed out that the offense was inside the 25 three times and came away with no points. The object of the game is to score more points than the other team. Turnovers beat them, just like in all the losses this year.

 

[Dutch Lane]

You say the object of the game is to score more points then the other team? Very profound observation I admire your football acumen. But let me get this straight they scored 4 rushing touchdowns and a two point conversion and the worst passer in the conference has more then enough time to connect on 15-24 passing and a deep ball on their last drive and it’s not on the defensive line in your learned opinion? So who you hanging this one on then the specials teams or just Snead and Eastwood?

 

[AZGrizFan]

You say the object of the game is to score more points then the other team? Very profound observation I admire your football acumen. But let me get this straight they scored 4 rushing touchdowns and a two point conversion and the worst passer in the conference has more then enough time to connect on 15-24 passing and a deep ball on their last drive and it’s not on the defensive line in your learned opinion? So who you hanging this one on then the specials teams or just Snead and Eastwood?

Baer.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

There are two primary reasons teams that which sprint to big leads consistently lose. One is inferior strength and conditioning. The other is a combo of failure to adjust to the other teams adjustments or inability to execute adjustments due to lack of preparation to execute those adjustments. Both are coaching, not player responsibilities. Bobby is responsible for the people responsible for fixing reasons one and two. I hope that is in his year end review and evaluations.

 

[AZGrizFan]

There are two primary reasons teams that which sprint to big leads consistently lose. One is inferior strength and conditioning. The other is a combo of failure to adjust to the other teams adjustments or inability to execute adjustments due to lack of preparation to execute those adjustments. Both are coaching, not player responsibilities. Bobby is responsible for the people responsible for fixing reasons one and two. I hope that is in his year end review and evaluations.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[CatzWillRise]

I didn't read this whole thread so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else, but these kinds of things to me are the hardest part about changing a culture. Ash teams had a hard time finishing, being mentally strong, winning the big games. Choate has been working on instilling what it means to be a winner, a closer, for 3 years now and it finally is starting to show.

In many ways I think Stitt was like Ash, his teams didn't have that killer instinct, just always lacked that certain X factor. Once you lose that you can't just get it back overnight. Give it time, Hauck will get you there.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

I didn't read this whole thread so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else, but these kinds of things to me are the hardest part about changing a culture. Ash teams had a hard time finishing, being mentally strong, winning the big games. Choate has been working on instilling what it means to be a winner, a closer, for 3 years now and it finally is starting to show.

In many ways I think Stitt was like Ash, his teams didn't have that killer instinct, just always lacked that certain X factor. Once you lose that you can't just get it back overnight. Give it time, Hauck will get you there.

Agreed

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I didn't read this whole thread so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else, but these kinds of things to me are the hardest part about changing a culture. Ash teams had a hard time finishing, being mentally strong, winning the big games. Choate has been working on instilling what it means to be a winner, a closer, for 3 years now and it finally is starting to show.

In many ways I think Stitt was like Ash, his teams didn't have that killer instinct, just always lacked that certain X factor. Once you lose that you can't just get it back overnight. Give it time, Hauck will get you there.

Good points, but you left out that the people calling the plays on offense and defense need that killer instinct as well.

 

[grizghost]

There are two primary reasons teams that which sprint to big leads consistently lose. One is inferior strength and conditioning. The other is a combo of failure to adjust to the other teams adjustments or inability to execute adjustments due to lack of preparation to execute those adjustments. Both are coaching, not player responsibilities. Bobby is responsible for the people responsible for fixing reasons one and two. I hope that is in his year end review and evaluations.

good analysis...but they are very young and that has to be put in the equation also...

 

[horribilisfan8184]

There are two primary reasons teams that which sprint to big leads consistently lose. One is inferior strength and conditioning. The other is a combo of failure to adjust to the other teams adjustments or inability to execute adjustments due to lack of preparation to execute those adjustments. Both are coaching, not player responsibilities. Bobby is responsible for the people responsible for fixing reasons one and two. I hope that is in his year end review and evaluations.

good analysis...but they are very young and that has to be put in the equation also...

Yes, a legitimate point at the beginning of the year. But by the last game of the year, the red shirt juniors are essentially seniors, the red shirt sophomores essentially juniors, etc. And as much as one more year of experience can be a big difference on a red shirt freshman, there's not much new to see and figure out how to deal with the scenario (like a young team) and help them mature for someone who has been coaching 20 or more years. There's just no more room under the "the team is young" bus.