Trailed Only Once All Year Entering the 4th

[1972]

If anyone listened to Bobby before the season, he was pretty consistent in two areas of concern (I know there were more, but these two he talked about quite a bit) Offensive line and DEPTH, If you remember in the years past, we had so much depth, we wore teams out. Exactly what happened this year, we got wore out. Bobby was very aware of this before the season. He said yesterday after the game two more years to be competitive, we're going to have to be patient.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Nope, but that was the only situation that mattered. It's a situational game, and our staff f***[*] up the situation much more than the players on the offensive line. It was absolutely inexcusable and unaccpetable. Gotta be better than that.

What makes anyone think a QB sneak would have been successful with that type of OL play? The coaches may have shit the bed on that call, but they called a play they felt would be successful. But the OL on that play was terrible, and I for one hope for better.

what kind of a coach can't recognize their terrible line play and call something will work? maybe the kind of coach with a line that isn't shitty?

argh, with all your coaching knowledge, what play would you suggest they should have called?

I'm no argh!, but, if I were king for a day, I would've gone with ANY OTHER PLAY than the one they just saw and got to talk about during the timeout.

 

[grizindabox]

Anyone think that if they couldn't execute a play to get 4" to win the game, maybe, just maybe they really didn't deserve to be playing again next weekend? I also want to say that during the season, in all these games that the Griz led in the 4th qtr, did someone, on either side of the ball, step up and make a play? I seem to recall many more mistakes and poor execution.

 

[grizindabox]

quc

What makes anyone think a QB sneak would have been successful with that type of OL play? The coaches may have shit the bed on that call, but they called a play they felt would be successful. But the OL on that play was terrible, and I for one hope for better.

what kind of a coach can't recognize their terrible line play and call something will work? maybe the kind of coach with a line that isn't shitty?

argh, with all your coaching knowledge, what play would you suggest they should have called?

I'm no argh!, but, if I were king for a day, I would've gone with ANY OTHER PLAY than the one they just saw and got to talk about during the timeout.

quick kick it is

 

[CDAGRIZ]

quc


what kind of a coach can't recognize their terrible line play and call something will work? maybe the kind of coach with a line that isn't shitty?

argh, with all your coaching knowledge, what play would you suggest they should have called?

I'm no argh!, but, if I were king for a day, I would've gone with ANY OTHER PLAY than the one they just saw and got to talk about during the timeout.

quick kick it is

In hindsight, it might've had a better chance. Give them the opportunity to mishandle the ball.

 

[grizindabox]

argh, with all your coaching knowledge, what play would you suggest they should have called?

I'm no argh!, but, if I were king for a day, I would've gone with ANY OTHER PLAY than the one they just saw and got to talk about during the timeout.

quick kick it is

In hindsight, it might've had a better chance. Give them the opportunity to mishandle the ball.

Reality is, any play that worked would have been a great play and any play that didn't was going to be questioned. Here we are with the play that didn't.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I'm no argh!, but, if I were king for a day, I would've gone with ANY OTHER PLAY than the one they just saw and got to talk about during the timeout.

quick kick it is

In hindsight, it might've had a better chance. Give them the opportunity to mishandle the ball.

Reality is, any play that worked would have been a great play and any play that didn't was going to be questioned. Here we are with the play that didn't.

. . . the second time.

 

[grizindabox]

quick kick it is

In hindsight, it might've had a better chance. Give them the opportunity to mishandle the ball.

Reality is, any play that worked would have been a great play and any play that didn't was going to be questioned. Here we are with the play that didn't.

. . . the second time.

And if it did work, no one would be here bitching about it being run twice.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

In hindsight, it might've had a better chance. Give them the opportunity to mishandle the ball.

Reality is, any play that worked would have been a great play and any play that didn't was going to be questioned. Here we are with the play that didn't.

. . . the second time.

And if it did work, no one would be here bitching about it being run twice.

Very aggressive assumption. You're not new to eGriz.

 

[grizindabox]

How about I throw this one out there, that play works, even the second time, if the Griz have an OL with comparable talent to the 7 or 8 teams in the BSC alone that are better than they are. This Griz OL is bottom 4-5 in the BSC.

 

[behappp]

How did our coaches out coach the other teams' coaches for basically the first 3 quarters of games, and then forget how to coach and get out coached in the 4th quarters?

And your answer is ???

Seriously PR, Do you think it's the Offense, the Defense, the players not being in shape? You have to win the 4th qtr in order to consistently win. And we failed miserably on that front. We only played 4 teams with winning records I believe and so it's not because we had a real tough schedule.

So please tell me why you think that is. And it is fine to disagree.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

How about I throw this one out there, that play works, even the second time, if the Griz have an OL with comparable talent to the 7 or 8 teams in the BSC alone that are better than they are. This Griz OL is bottom 4-5 in the BSC.

Excatly. Where were you yesterday on the sidelines to tell our staff that we didn't have the OL to run the same play again? Seems they could've used the help since they somehow weren't aware.

 

[grizindabox]

How about I throw this one out there, that play works, even the second time, if the Griz have an OL with comparable talent to the 7 or 8 teams in the BSC alone that are better than they are. This Griz OL is bottom 4-5 in the BSC.

Excatly. Where were you yesterday on the sidelines to tell our staff that we didn't have the OL to run the same play again? Seems they could've used the help since they somehow weren't aware.

Again, the way the Cats blew them up, I am not sure any inside run would have been successful. But from 4", I would have tried to punch something in there too. The Cats were just better.

 

[behappp]

How about I throw this one out there, that play works, even the second time, if the Griz have an OL with comparable talent to the 7 or 8 teams in the BSC alone that are better than they are. This Griz OL is bottom 4-5 in the BSC.

by the time we got to the last play of the last game, we know what are O line is capable of. What coaching decisions were made to compensate for a less than stellar o line and a does the play that was called take that into account?

 

[grizindabox]

But lets also say that without the fumble, the Griz have another play. It makes sense to run what you think is a safe play that you think can be successful and leave a more risky call for that last play.

 

[AZGrizFan]

But lets also say that without the fumble, the Griz have another play. It makes sense to run what you think is a safe play that you think can be successful and leave a more risky call for that last play.

Agreed. Expectation was we had two shots to get 6 inches.

 

[Grizbeer]

Some perspective:

This year for all Big Sky teams, the team that was leading at the start of the 4th quarter went 75-11 (87.2%). Griz accounted for over a third of those losses. UND was the only other team to give away a fourth quarter lead more than once.

Even though we weren't "great", from 2010-2017 we were 60-5 (92.3%) when we were leading or tied starting the 4th quarter. 3 of those losses came in 2012.

Bobby's teams from 2003-2009 went 77-5 (94%) when leading or tied going into the 4th. Coincidentally, 3 of his 5 losses came in 2003, his first year as coach. The other two were UMASS in 2006 and Wofford in 2007. The 2003 team went 8-3 (72.7%) with a lead or tied starting the fourth.

6-4 (60%) when leading or tied going into the fourth this year. That is almost literally unheard of for this program in modern history.

That's crazy. In 22 games Timm Rosenbach has been the OC the Griz have gone 11-11, and in 7 of those 11 losses the Griz were not trailing after 3 quarters? And of the 9 losses when not trailing after 3 since 2010 TR was the OC for 7 of them? Pure coincidence I'm sure.

Also probably a coincidence that losing a game you were leading or should won won is generally know as Couging it.

 

[PlayerRep]

How did our coaches out coach the other teams' coaches for basically the first 3 quarters of games, and then forget how to coach and get out coached in the 4th quarters?

And your answer is ???

Seriously PR, Do you think it's the Offense, the Defense, the players not being in shape? You have to win the 4th qtr in order to consistently win. And we failed miserably on that front. We only played 4 teams with winning records I believe and so it's not because we had a real tough schedule.

So please tell me why you think that is. And it is fine to disagree.

I don't know, but I've already said that at least part of it is inexperience. 1 senior starting on O, and 2 total on the O two-deep. I certainly don't believe its coaches forgetting how to coach after 3 quarters in multiple games.

 

[grizindabox]

Seriously, it wasn't like they tried running some complicated play. The Cats just plain out kicked the OLs ass on it. The Cat DT was almost there to take the handoff.

 

[uofmman1122]

Some perspective:

This year for all Big Sky teams, the team that was leading at the start of the 4th quarter went 75-11 (87.2%). Griz accounted for over a third of those losses. UND was the only other team to give away a fourth quarter lead more than once.

Even though we weren't "great", from 2010-2017 we were 60-5 (92.3%) when we were leading or tied starting the 4th quarter. 3 of those losses came in 2012.

Bobby's teams from 2003-2009 went 77-5 (94%) when leading or tied going into the 4th. Coincidentally, 3 of his 5 losses came in 2003, his first year as coach. The other two were UMASS in 2006 and Wofford in 2007. The 2003 team went 8-3 (72.7%) with a lead or tied starting the fourth.

6-4 (60%) when leading or tied going into the fourth this year. That is almost literally unheard of for this program in modern history.

That's crazy. In 22 games Timm Rosenbach has been the OC the Griz have gone 11-11, and in 7 of those 11 losses the Griz were not trailing after 3 quarters? And of the 9 losses when not trailing after 3 since 2010 TR was the OC for 7 of them? Pure coincidence I'm sure.

Also probably a coincidence that losing a game you were leading or should won won is generally know as Couging it.

App State 2012 - Tied 21-21 going into the 4th. Lost 35-27.
EWU 2012 - Lead 23-17 going into the 4th. Lost 32-26.
UND 2012 - Lead 34-31 going into the 4th. Lost 40-34.
WIU 2018 - Lead 21-17 going into the 4th. Lost 31-27.
PSU 2018 - Lead 14-13 going into the 4th. Lost 22-20.
UCD 2018 - Lead 21-13 going into the 4th. Lost 42-21.
MSU 2018 - Lead 22-7 going into the 4th. Lost 29-25.

That's a lot of Couging.