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"tough" versus "dumb"

I think our team was wore out by the cold having played a whole half in it without proper clothing. You could see our guys didn't want to be out there in the 2nd Quarter. They warmed up at half, came out and looked alive again and rallied. I have to disagree with you PR.
 
PlayerRep said:
This is an interesting discussion. My view is that CC handled the weather conditions very well. My impression is that UM handled the weather conditions fairly well too. I suppose, as this discussion points out, it is possible that UM didn't address the cold properly. The cold appeared to be impact JJ's throwing in that he wore gloves. My guess is that the gloves did impact his throwing. I think the ball slipped out of his hand when he threw the pick, and the gloves probably impacted that.

Wasn't Jordan hit right as he threw the ball, causing it to be a lame duck?
 
Unwrittengriz said:
PlayerRep said:
This is an interesting discussion. My view is that CC handled the weather conditions very well. My impression is that UM handled the weather conditions fairly well too. I suppose, as this discussion points out, it is possible that UM didn't address the cold properly. The cold appeared to be impact JJ's throwing in that he wore gloves. My guess is that the gloves did impact his throwing. I think the ball slipped out of his hand when he threw the pick, and the gloves probably impacted that.

Wasn't Jordan hit right as he threw the ball, causing it to be a lame duck?

Some have thought the hit caused the ball to flutter; others thought the ball slipped out of his hand before the hit. I didn't see a replay.
 
Unwrittengriz said:
PlayerRep said:
This is an interesting discussion. My view is that CC handled the weather conditions very well. My impression is that UM handled the weather conditions fairly well too. I suppose, as this discussion points out, it is possible that UM didn't address the cold properly. The cold appeared to be impact JJ's throwing in that he wore gloves. My guess is that the gloves did impact his throwing. I think the ball slipped out of his hand when he threw the pick, and the gloves probably impacted that.

Wasn't Jordan hit right as he threw the ball, causing it to be a lame duck?

Unwritten is correct, JJ took a shot.
 
I challenge anyone to go sit or stand in zero degree weather with no sleeves, gloves, or other warm clothing on for 15 minutes with another person of the same size who is wearing proper cold weather gear. Then both attempt to do the exact same tasks equally and in the same amount of time. Once you have completed this, let everyone on here know the results...
 
If being cold has little or no effect on the human body, why ever take the time to warm up before you play?
 
PlayerRep said:
This is an interesting discussion. My view is that CC handled the weather conditions very well. My impression is that UM handled the weather conditions fairly well too. I suppose, as this discussion points out, it is possible that UM didn't address the cold properly. The cold appeared to be impact JJ's throwing in that he wore gloves. My guess is that the gloves did impact his throwing. I think the ball slipped out of his hand when he threw the pick, and the gloves probably impacted that.

However, the biggest difference in the game was the 5.5 minutes near the end of the 2q when CC scored 3 TD's and UM didn't score. I supposed this could have been influenced by weather, but it certainly wasn't caused primarily the cold. The wind had some influence, but no more than is often the case in football.

The sequence of the 2d q went like this. UM finishes a 7-46 by turning it over on 4th down on the CC 27. CC goes 3 and out and punts. UM has a 7-36 drive and turns it over on 4th down at the CC 36. CC drive 69 yards in 12 play with 6:06 to go in half. UM goes 9 yards in 3 plays, and has a 34 yard punt. CC takes over on its 44 goes 56 yards in 4 plays. The CC qb has 2 runs and a TD pass. TD at 3:08 left in half. CC kicks off to 2, Henderson has short return, and he gets an unsportsmanlike penalty. UM starts from its 8. UM gets minus 2 yards in 3 plays, and has a 33 yard punt. CC starts on UM's 35. CC scores in 5 plays.

That barrage by CC put UM in a hole that it couldn't get out of. The wind held up several of the longer JJ passes and shortened several of Shaw's punts, but I don't think the weather or cold was the primary cause, or even much of the cause, of what occurred in this short period of time. It was more the good play of CC, the good field position of CC, and the inability of UM to convert on 4th downs and move the ball from closer to their goal line.
 
reinell30 said:
I challenge anyone to go sit or stand in zero degree weather with no sleeves, gloves, or other warm clothing on for 15 minutes with another person of the same size who is wearing proper cold weather gear. Then both attempt to do the exact same tasks equally and in the same amount of time. Once you have completed this, let everyone on here know the results...

Exactly!

The relative lack of Griz preparation for the bitter cold was one factor in the outcome of the game IMO. I also think JJ's wearing of a glove on his throwing hand, while Alex Ross did not wear a glove on his throwing hand affected the accuracy of their passes (JJ missed more passes than Ross).
 
havgrizfan said:
It was never -25 during the game. Nope, not even wind chill. NOPE

So what? Wind chill during the game was between -10 to -20, which was certainly cold enough to influence player performance, especially on a relative basis when one team did all they could to prepare for the cold (CCU) and other team (UM) acted like it was just another game in cold weather.
 
grizindabox said:
Unwrittengriz said:
PlayerRep said:
This is an interesting discussion. My view is that CC handled the weather conditions very well. My impression is that UM handled the weather conditions fairly well too. I suppose, as this discussion points out, it is possible that UM didn't address the cold properly. The cold appeared to be impact JJ's throwing in that he wore gloves. My guess is that the gloves did impact his throwing. I think the ball slipped out of his hand when he threw the pick, and the gloves probably impacted that.

Wasn't Jordan hit right as he threw the ball, causing it to be a lame duck?

Unwritten is correct, JJ took a shot.
JJ stated he rushed the throw because he felt CCU was off-sides and he had a free play, but didn't get the call.
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
stubbins said:
UMAlum said:
stubbins said:
This is the most ridiculous thread this week....if it doesn't bother the players, who the f*** are you.

I have a friend who gets cold when it's below 40 degrees, the cold doesn't bother me, should I wear the same shit he does? I'd die of overheating in about 3.4 seconds...

Well, it’s true for some people they can handle lower temperatures better than others. However, they are very much the exception when it comes to below zero temps. As an example, wasn’t it Hammer that was going to go to the game in shorts? I know for a fact if I had done that they would have had to carry out my carcass from Washington-Griz … probably before half time.

In any event, at the very least … the majority of our players were likely cold standing there on the sidelines … without the proper gear, etc.. That was a coaching mistake plain and simple. BTW, I support Mick overall … however all of us, including Mick, need to learn from our mistakes.

Out of all of the mickster's flaws as a football coach, not making his players wear long sleeves is the one that concerns you?

This has been going on since the dawn of time, and will continue to happen with football players in the cold.

The larger point is and should be, a guy who is 71 years old and who has been in coaching 50 years shuold not have the flaws or make rudimentary mistakes that MD makes. He got schooled by an exceptional coach on Saturday and the "aw shucks" routine from MD just shows how much he doesn't get it. I saw on Saturday a team that was well prepred for us, and a team that was not prepared for CCU. I saw a coach and team that took advantage of openings in the 2nd quarter and virtually put the game out of reach when they had the chance. I saw our team give up an 86 yard touchdown pass when they had the opportunity to demoralize CCU in the first quarter. Is it too much to expect your head coach has a modicum of understanding of stragtegy and "combat" tactics?

just plain ole preparations......to have the guys stay warm in sub zero is not a learning experience it is common sense. the ccu coach prepared for this not having the experience but had the common sense....you would think the coach that had the experience would be one up on the one that didn't...so mick had the experience and lacked the common sense...
i agree that ccu came into this game with a solid game plan and their discipline on the field and on the sideline were the example of how to do it...to win.
 
-10 wind chill for the appy game, snowing hard, ground blizzard on the field no sunshine and into darkness. 90 percent of the Griz players wore no sleeves of any kind that day. Griz beat App. State. This argument is getting lame.
 
Was it poor preparation in 2009? 1995?

Had to be in 2006 against Umass...same as 2013.

This is embarrassing. Griz were outcoached in this game, players didn't rise up as well as they could have. Got beat by a jv school. Simple as that.

Just admit that the Griz are not even close to what they once were, it'll be easier on you.

Or blame not wearing sleeves.....
 
havgrizfan said:
-10 wind chill for the appy game, snowing hard, ground blizzard on the field no sunshine and into darkness. 90 percent of the Griz players wore no sleeves of any kind that day. Griz beat App. State. This argument is getting lame.


Fuck.....hav is now the voice of reason. World is ending...thanks all for the good times, see you in Elysium.
 
stubbins said:
havgrizfan said:
-10 wind chill for the appy game, snowing hard, ground blizzard on the field no sunshine and into darkness. 90 percent of the Griz players wore no sleeves of any kind that day. Griz beat App. State. This argument is getting lame.


f***.....hav is now the voice of reason. World is ending...thanks all for the good times, see you in Elysium.

90% is way off, and it was at least 10 degrees colder saturday. plus, just imagine by how much more the griz would have beaten them by without the cold! and should i mention that a week later the team would have had sufficient energy to beat an inferior villanova team? or would that cause jokyo to petition for a replay?

see, i can do it, too!
 
This is a stupid fucking thread, if it's cold put on more clothes, you learn that in kindergarten.
 
stubbins said:
Was it poor preparation in 2009? 1995?

Had to be in 2006 against Umass...same as 2013.

This is embarrassing. Griz were outcoached in this game, players didn't rise up as well as they could have. Got beat by a jv school. Simple as that.

Just admit that the Griz are not even close to what they once were, it'll be easier on you.

Or blame not wearing sleeves.....

I've heard the above bolded said far too many times the last two seasons!

You're a smart MF'er, stubby! :thumb:
 
I thought the Griz were done once they said CCU's coach was worth 150 million..talk about playing with nothing to lose... :mrgreen:
 
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