TOP FCS Returning O-linemen

[thirdandlong]

Feel free to start your own thread. I'll let you do so without throwing a tantrum.

You don't even know how to title a thread. None of the 3 Cats who were all-conference are among their 2 best returning o-lineman. That is pretty funny.

Why don't you trying telling the Cats who you think their 2 best returning o-lineman are?

Have you been a dick all your life, or is a more recent thingy after senility set in? You'd argue with a fire hydrant!

 

[SoldierGriz]

Feel free to start your own thread. I'll let you do so without throwing a tantrum.

You don't even know how to title a thread. None of the 3 Cats who were all-conference are among their 2 best returning o-lineman. That is pretty funny.

Why don't you trying telling the Cats who you think their 2 best returning o-lineman are?

I don't talk to cats. You however, are a life-long cat fan. Gross.

The cat o-line will lead the BSC in All Conference selections this season. The fact that a couple mentioned in this article are not even among their post season honorees is bad news for the rest of the conference. That's what it means.

Stay focused - we'll get you some football knowledge yet.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You don't even know how to title a thread. None of the 3 Cats who were all-conference are among their 2 best returning o-lineman. That is pretty funny.

Why don't you trying telling the Cats who you think their 2 best returning o-lineman are?

I don't talk to cats. You however, are a life-long cat fan. Gross.

The cat o-line will lead the BSC in All Conference selections this season. The fact that a couple mentioned in this article are not even among their post season honorees is bad news for the rest of the conference. That's what it means.

Stay focused - we'll get you some football knowledge yet.

The Griz o-line will be better than the Cat o-line.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't talk to cats. You however, are a life-long cat fan. Gross.

The cat o-line will lead the BSC in All Conference selections this season. The fact that a couple mentioned in this article are not even among their post season honorees is bad news for the rest of the conference. That's what it means.

Stay focused - we'll get you some football knowledge yet.

The Griz o-line will be better than the Cat o-line.

Based on what objective measure?

My guess is they open up holes for more running yards than the Griz, give up fewer sacks than the Griz, and end up with higher accolades at the end of the year…If the Griz can win 2/3 of THOSE categories, I’ll agree with you.

 

[uofmman1122]

The Griz o-line will be better than the Cat o-line.

Based on what objective measure?

My guess is they open up holes for more running yards than the Griz, give up fewer sacks than the Griz, and end up with higher accolades at the end of the year…If the Griz can win 2/3 of THOSE categories, I’ll agree with you.

They could be objectively worse across the board and still do that because of their pass-never offense.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Based on what objective measure?

My guess is they open up holes for more running yards than the Griz, give up fewer sacks than the Griz, and end up with higher accolades at the end of the year…If the Griz can win 2/3 of THOSE categories, I’ll agree with you.

They could be objectively worse across the board and still do that because of their pass-never offense.

They won't need to throw it...

 

[uofmman1122]

They could be objectively worse across the board and still do that because of their pass-never offense.

They won't need to throw it...

So do you see how raw number of sacks as a measure of skill doesn’t make any sense?

 

[bgbigdog]

Last year's bozeman team had to replace four starters and two backups who played a bunch in the year prior, including one or more guys who had shots as pros, Four new starters, all but one in their first year getting significant reps, including a Griz castoff, Cole Sain, who supposedly couldn't play while in Missoula.

It may have missed by some here, but running backs, even the kinds who take direct snaps, function better with blockers, since they seldom make their own holes to run through. Minus average yards per game, they ran the ball better than every other team in the FCS statistically. That happened because their o-line played great, and they're young, so all indications are they'll be even better this season. The ass kicking Montana suffered in Bozeman was a direct result of getting blocked, blocked and blocked some more. A quarterback who can throw dimes every tme out isn't a necessity if you can run the ball for just under seven yards a carry.

No one would have traded Mellott/Chambers and the Bozeman o-line for Johnson, the.backup, and the Griz line this past season. You can bet your ass but bobby wouldn't have. Because yesterday, today and tomorrow, he's a run first guy. Now that there's an actual QB who can move the ball through the air on the squad, there will be likely be four non-home grown starters opening day. Which by the way, is much the same as the Bozeman program. And their biggest job will be keeping Vidlak upright and opening holes for a running back group that is loaded.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Last year's bozeman team had to replace four starters and two backups who played a bunch in the year prior, including one or more guys who had shots as pros, Four new starters, all but one in their first year getting significant reps, including a Griz castoff, Cole Sain, who supposedly couldn't play while in Missoula.

It may have missed by some here, but running backs, even the kinds who take direct snaps, function better with blockers, since they seldom make their own holes to run through. Minus average yards per game, they ran the ball better than every other team in the FCS statistically. That happened because their o-line played great, and they're young, so all indications are they'll be even better this season. The ass kicking Montana suffered in Bozeman was a direct result of getting blocked, blocked and blocked some more. A quarterback who can throw dimes every tme out isn't a necessity if you can run the ball for just under seven yards a carry.

No one would have traded Mellott/Chambers and the Bozeman o-line for Johnson, the.backup, and the Griz line this past season. You can bet your ass but bobby wouldn't have. Because yesterday, today and tomorrow, he's a run first guy. Now that there's an actual QB who can move the ball through the air on the squad, there will be likely be four non-home grown starters opening day. Which by the way, is much the same as the Bozeman program. And their biggest job will be keeping Vidlak upright and opening holes for a running back group that is loaded.

I would have taken a fully healthy Johnson and the Griz o-line over the Cats. So, speak for yourself. The Cats had a good gimmickry offense. The Griz didn't defend it even remotely well last season.Other teams did. You don't have clue what Bobby would have done or was thinking.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Based on what objective measure?

My guess is they open up holes for more running yards than the Griz, give up fewer sacks than the Griz, and end up with higher accolades at the end of the year…If the Griz can win 2/3 of THOSE categories, I’ll agree with you.

They could be objectively worse across the board and still do that because of their pass-never offense.

Well, I await the answer then. What objective measure will hoops use to back up his statement that the Griz O-line will be better than the ‘Scat o-line?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Last year's bozeman team had to replace four starters and two backups who played a bunch in the year prior, including one or more guys who had shots as pros, Four new starters, all but one in their first year getting significant reps, including a Griz castoff, Cole Sain, who supposedly couldn't play while in Missoula.

It may have missed by some here, but running backs, even the kinds who take direct snaps, function better with blockers, since they seldom make their own holes to run through. Minus average yards per game, they ran the ball better than every other team in the FCS statistically. That happened because their o-line played great, and they're young, so all indications are they'll be even better this season. The ass kicking Montana suffered in Bozeman was a direct result of getting blocked, blocked and blocked some more. A quarterback who can throw dimes every tme out isn't a necessity if you can run the ball for just under seven yards a carry.

No one would have traded Mellott/Chambers and the Bozeman o-line for Johnson, the.backup, and the Griz line this past season. You can bet your ass but bobby wouldn't have. Because yesterday, today and tomorrow, he's a run first guy. Now that there's an actual QB who can move the ball through the air on the squad, there will be likely be four non-home grown starters opening day. Which by the way, is much the same as the Bozeman program. And their biggest job will be keeping Vidlak upright and opening holes for a running back group that is loaded.

I would have taken a fully healthy Johnson and the Griz o-line over the Cats. So, speak for yourself. The Cats had a good gimmickry offense. The Griz didn't defend it even remotely well last season.Other teams did. You don't have clue what Bobby would have done or was thinking.

A) I agree. I’d take a HEALTHY Johnson and the Griz O-line over the ‘Scats. Problem was, we didn’t really see a healthy Johnson after the break.
B) Cole Sain wasn’t a “Griz reject”. He left of his own accord.

 

[uofmman1122]

They could be objectively worse across the board and still do that because of their pass-never offense.

Well, I await the answer then. What objective measure will hoops use to back up his statement that the Griz O-line will be better than the ‘Scat o-line?

I mean, it's all going to be subjective at the end of the day. :lol:

I think their OL run their offense very well, but it's an easy offense to be an OL in. The blocking assignments are cake for the most part, and they almost never have to drop back pass protect.

But on that note, on a per-attempt basis, they were much worse at pass protecting last year than the Griz OL were even with a QB who was much more of a threat to run.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well, I await the answer then. What objective measure will hoops use to back up his statement that the Griz O-line will be better than the ‘Scat o-line?

I mean, it's all going to be subjective at the end of the day. :lol:

I think their OL run their offense very well, but it's an easy offense to be an OL in. The blocking assignments are cake for the most part, and they almost never have to drop back pass protect.

But on that note, on a per-attempt basis, they were much worse at pass protecting last year than the Griz OL were even with a QB who was much more of a threat to run.

Perhaps we should run an offense in which our O-line could excel? Just a thought...

 

[uofmman1122]

I mean, it's all going to be subjective at the end of the day. :lol:

I think their OL run their offense very well, but it's an easy offense to be an OL in. The blocking assignments are cake for the most part, and they almost never have to drop back pass protect.

But on that note, on a per-attempt basis, they were much worse at pass protecting last year than the Griz OL were even with a QB who was much more of a threat to run.

Perhaps we should run an offense in which our O-line could excel? Just a thought...

Seems like going and getting a stud QB to throw behind an OL that is pretty darn good at pass protection is doing just that?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Perhaps we should run an offense in which our O-line could excel? Just a thought...

Seems like going and getting a stud QB to throw behind an OL that is pretty darn good at pass protection is doing just that?

Noted. MSU one sack allowed per 17.11 attempts. UM one sack allowed per 20.05 attempts. They also scored 75 TD's to UM's 54...and averaged 42.9 ppg to UM's 33.9.

If Griz scored 42 points per game, we'd be national champions. ZERO doubt in my mind.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Perhaps we should run an offense in which our O-line could excel? Just a thought...

Seems like going and getting a stud QB to throw behind an OL that is pretty darn good at pass protection is doing just that?

Promising...to be sure. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

 

[uofmman1122]

Seems like going and getting a stud QB to throw behind an OL that is pretty darn good at pass protection is doing just that?

Noted. MSU one sack allowed per 17.11 attempts. UM one sack allowed per 20.05 attempts. They also scored 75 TD's to UM's 54...and averaged 42.9 ppg to UM's 33.9.

If Griz scored 42 points per game, we'd be national champions. ZERO doubt in my mind.

Yeah, because their offense was just better than ours, and it wasn't strictly because they ran the ball 50 times per game.

My point this whole time was that fixating on things like raw rushing yards and lack of raw sack numbers is how you get Cal Poly going 4-7 while leading the conference in both stats because they ran the triple option. We all want a better offense, but "run the ball as much as MSU" isn't necessarily going to make that happen. Our OL isn't built for that right now, anyways.

As for the NC stuff, MSU averaged that much and still got pasted by SDSU. I'm not sure anyone was beating them last season. If there's any team's offense we should try to emulate, to me it'd be SDSU over MSU 7 days a week.

 

[uofmman1122]

Seems like going and getting a stud QB to throw behind an OL that is pretty darn good at pass protection is doing just that?

Promising...to be sure. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

I'm very excited to see what Pease can dial up. In the absence of actually seeing it be terrible, I'll keep hoping it's a huge improvement. :lol:

 

[BillingsMafia]

Bobby has to get away from his run first mentality. If the Pease pass first offense dosent work at least Bobby tried something new. I want it given at least three years regardless of results. The new QB sure looks like a run first guy from what I can conclude. I find bringing in that type of QB to be a telling and disturbing sign that a leopard can't change his spots.. If no change in offense Bobby will be gone.

 

[SoldierGriz]

They won't need to throw it...

So do you see how raw number of sacks as a measure of skill doesn’t make any sense?

Huh? All I stated was they need to throw infrequently based on their exceptional run game. That's it