Time for Chalich to start

[George Ferguson]

What difference does it make how stats make fan's evaluate players? They have a less than zero say in who plays, who the coaches think is best, the depth chart, ect. A fan's evaluation of a player means nothing unless you're playing Fantasy Football.

 

[Eriul]

Help me out here. If BG is only good between the 20's, how is UM no. 6 in the nation in red zone scoring? Isn't the red zone inside the 20? No. 6 in the nation in red zone scoring indicates to me that you don't know what you're talking about.

Then talk about scoring 16 against EWU's defense that came in averaging 33 allowed per game.

They can probably thank Sac St and MVSU.

Sometimes I wish statistics were not readily available. I think that it would help a lot of people evaluate the game more clearly.

Statistics provide numbers to provide clarity. Fact is fans are biased. As we see with this forum all the time. We see some CRAZY reactions to wins/losses ALL THE TIME. Numbers don't lie. People do.

At the end of the day the coaches aren't making their decisions based solely on stats. They evaluate the game more clearly than any of us can possibly imagine. And these coaches all have put their hat behind our QB and it boggles my brain that the fanbase doesn't do the same when BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

 

[George Ferguson]

Then talk about scoring 16 against EWU's defense that came in averaging 33 allowed per game.

They can probably thank Sac St and MVSU.

Sometimes I wish statistics were not readily available. I think that it would help a lot of people evaluate the game more clearly.

Statistics provide numbers to provide clarity. Fact is fans are biased. As we see with this forum all the time. We see some CRAZY reactions to wins/losses ALL THE TIME. Numbers don't lie. People do.

At the end of the day the coaches aren't making their decisions based solely on stats. They evaluate the game more clearly than any of us can possibly imagine. And these coaches all have put their hat behind our QB and it boggles my brain that the fanbase doesn't do the same when BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

This is a great post.

 

[G-BEARS]

They can probably thank Sac St and MVSU.

Sometimes I wish statistics were not readily available. I think that it would help a lot of people evaluate the game more clearly.

Statistics provide numbers to provide clarity. Fact is fans are biased. As we see with this forum all the time. We see some CRAZY reactions to wins/losses ALL THE TIME. Numbers don't lie. People do.

At the end of the day the coaches aren't making their decisions based solely on stats. They evaluate the game more clearly than any of us can possibly imagine. And these coaches all have put their hat behind our QB and it boggles my brain that the fanbase doesn't do the same when BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

This is a great post.

I think Gustafson is our best QB, never said otherwise. Wish chalich would have got his chance to prove otherwise in the last two games.

I was referring to fans primarily when I said that about statistics, not coaches. Stats don't tell the whole story, different systems produce different statistics and that is why comparing stats is pointless. If you can't see that or accept it, then your opinion is pointless.

 

[kemajic]

BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

This sure says a lot about Stitt's offense.

 

[grizd]

BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

This sure says a lot about Stitt's offense.

We have a winner folks. The offensive mastermind we hired duped us. This offense is very easy to defend if you have equal or better athletes on defense. Scheme is terrible.

 

[PlayerRep]

Sometimes I wish statistics were not readily available. I think that it would help a lot of people evaluate the game more clearly.

Statistics provide numbers to provide clarity. Fact is fans are biased. As we see with this forum all the time. We see some CRAZY reactions to wins/losses ALL THE TIME. Numbers don't lie. People do.

At the end of the day the coaches aren't making their decisions based solely on stats. They evaluate the game more clearly than any of us can possibly imagine. And these coaches all have put their hat behind our QB and it boggles my brain that the fanbase doesn't do the same when BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

This is a great post.

I think Gustafson is our best QB, never said otherwise. Wish chalich would have got his chance to prove otherwise in the last two games.

I was referring to fans primarily when I said that about statistics, not coaches. Stats don't tell the whole story, different systems produce different statistics and that is why comparing stats is pointless. If you can't see that or accept it, then your opinion is pointless.

Has anyone ever said "stats tell the whole story"? Ever?

Do you not think coaches grade out the players at every position to see whether they did their job, or made mistakes, on each play? These are stats, and they are important to evaluating the play of the individual players.

One good thing about stats is that they can help counter the incorrect or biased views of posters like yourself. In my view, not wanting to look at metrics in business or stats in all kinds of areas, including sports, is an indication of ignorance.

 

[AZGrizFan]

BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

This sure says a lot about Stitt's offense.

We have a winner folks. The offensive mastermind we hired duped us. This offense is very easy to defend if you have equal or better athletes on defense. Scheme is terrible.

That might be the most retarded post I've read on egriz in at least 24 hours. So you're telling me we might not win if the other team has better athletes??


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[PlayerRep]

May I add that Brady has pretty remarkable stats between the 20's, but as the field shrinks, a mobile QB adds one more dimension for defenses to consider. Yes, the offensive line is susceptible, but having an immobile QB only magnifies its weaknesses. Moving the pocket, rolling out Brady, and QB keepers are not even an option right now. These could be options to buy more time for our receivers to run their routes further down field. Right now, due to Brady's immobility, quick passes are the norm because defenses just tee off on him and our offensive line. We are very predictable offensively and so what is wrong with trying Chalich just to keep defenses off balance every so often?

Help me out here. If BG is only good between the 20's, how is UM no. 6 in the nation in red zone scoring? Isn't the red zone inside the 20? No. 6 in the nation in red zone scoring indicates to me that you don't know what you're talking about.

Then talk about scoring 16 against EWU's defense that came in averaging 33 allowed per game.

I already talked about this stat, which is a fact. That number/stat is a clear indication that the offense didn't get the job done against EWU. However, it doesn't show that the qb isn't good inside the 20's. BG sure didn't drop that TD pass in the first half. It may or may not be an indication that BG wasn't good inside the 20's in the EWU game. That would take more analysis. Off the top of my head, I don't have a view on that. Would have to do further research.

 

[UMGriz75]

Has anyone ever said "stats tell the whole story"? Ever?

As a matter of fact ...

Are Griz Offense players Making Stitt look like a genius?
Postby horribilisfan8184 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:30 pm
Stats and scores of last two games don't lie

Of course he meant the two games before the actual last two games, but you know, its those "stats" that make some posters look like geniuses ....

 

[UMGriz75]

One good thing about stats is that they can help counter the incorrect or biased views of posters like yourself. In my view, not wanting to look at metrics in business or stats in all kinds of areas, including sports, is an indication of ignorance.

As Donald Rumsfeld famously pointed out, "if you don't measure it, you can't improve it."

 

[UMGriz75]

At the end of the day the coaches aren't making their decisions based solely on stats. They evaluate the game more clearly than any of us can possibly imagine. And these coaches all have put their hat behind our QB and it boggles my brain that the fanbase doesn't do the same when BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

Let's see, the coaches "evaluate the game more clearly than any of us can possibly imagine" but then let the QB struggle on his own with little help from the O-line, receivers or running backs.

Got it.

 

[PlayerRep]

Has anyone ever said "stats tell the whole story"? Ever?

As a matter of fact ...

Are Griz Offense players Making Stitt look like a genius?
Postby horribilisfan8184 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:30 pm
Stats and scores of last two games don't lie

Of course he meant the two games before the actual last two games, but you know, its those "stats" that make some posters look like geniuses ....

He asked a question. He didn't say stats tell the whole story. He's also a known football idiot.

 

[UMGriz75]

Has anyone ever said "stats tell the whole story"? Ever?

As a matter of fact ...

Are Griz Offense players Making Stitt look like a genius?
Postby horribilisfan8184 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:30 pm
Stats and scores of last two games don't lie

Of course he meant the two games before the actual last two games, but you know, its those "stats" that make some posters look like geniuses ....

He asked a question. He didn't say stats tell the whole story. He's also a known football idiot.

Well, I think he was answering his own question.

 

[putter]

...doesn't help that he needs to have the O score 40 a game against good teams to win. Doesn't help that the Griz had ZERO players in the secondary that could hang with any of the 3 Eagle receivers on the field (including Nelson). Semore said I am going to man up and get pressure...then got no QB pressure and it didn't work. To be fair, even when he went zone, they sat in the open areas and then put a burst of speed on for more yardage. They were the better team, by far on Saturday, even their putrid defense looked good against Montana.

 

[ranco]

It's been confirmed on egriz for years that after a loss, the best player on the team is the back-up quarterback... until, of course, the back-up actually plays.

 

[grizd]

BG is shouldering this whole offense with very little help from an O-line, receivers, or running backs.

This sure says a lot about Stitt's offense.

We have a winner folks. The offensive mastermind we hired duped us. This offense is very easy to defend if you have equal or better athletes on defense. Scheme is terrible.

That might be the most retarded post I've read on egriz in at least 24 hours. So you're telling me we might not win if the other team has better athletes??


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No, I am saying unless we are substantially more athletic than the opposing team our offense is easy to guard. That hasn't been the case with this program over the years. Bubble screens don't work 15 times against real athletes, no matter how talented JLM is. It's an easy offense to defend IMO. And yes, a good coach can win with scheme, ask NDSU and all the FBS teams they've left in their wake.

 

[reinell30]

This sure says a lot about Stitt's offense.

We have a winner folks. The offensive mastermind we hired duped us. This offense is very easy to defend if you have equal or better athletes on defense. Scheme is terrible.

That might be the most retarded post I've read on egriz in at least 24 hours. So you're telling me we might not win if the other team has better athletes??


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No, I am saying unless we are substantially more athletic than the opposing team our offense is easy to guard. That hasn't been the case with this program over the years. Bubble screens don't work 15 times against real athletes, no matter how talented JLM is. It's an easy offense to defend IMO. And yes, a good coach can win with scheme, ask NDSU and all the FBS teams they've left in their wake.

I know we have better atheletes than MSU, but TG knows the Stitt Offense. I think they make a game of it this year because of that fact. Sure hope Stitt has several wrinkles for the Bobcats this year. They are going to come to Missoula with nothing to lose. This game is going to be good...

 

[IdahoGrizFan]

Tell me if I am wrong about this, Montana's O is a read offense. The QB reads the D and if it is a run play he gives it to the running back or he runs with it. The second option is not an effective option with Gus.
If it is a passing play he can give it to the WR in motion or pass it to one of the 5 receivers or run it. the last option is again not an effective option. I think of what the EWU QB did to us on the ground. He even caught a pass and almost scored. We could never do that.

Now do I think Gus is a good passing QB, you bet I do. One of the best around. But can he run effectively? Nope. That eliminates one of the options of the Griz offense so we are only firing on 3 cylinders. 3 out of 4. Or 5 out of 7 or something like that. What we need is a QB who runs a 40 in 4.2 and can throw the ball like Manning. LOL

 

[griz71]

May I add that Brady has pretty remarkable stats between the 20's, but as the field shrinks, a mobile QB adds one more dimension for defenses to consider. Yes, the offensive line is susceptible, but having an immobile QB only magnifies its weaknesses. Moving the pocket, rolling out Brady, and QB keepers are not even an option right now. These could be options to buy more time for our receivers to run their routes further down field. Right now, due to Brady's immobility, quick passes are the norm because defenses just tee off on him and our offensive line. We are very predictable offensively and so what is wrong with trying Chalich just to keep defenses off balance every so often?[/quot

One of the wiser more salient posts I've seen on this topic...sadly it appears to make too much sense to be employed by our current coaching staff.