This Year's Recruiting Class....so far

[grizindabox]

....Meh.....

 

[grizfan1984]

Any news on Gonsiorski?

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

I'm not worried about running back. Lots of RB's out there to recruit who could tote it for us. The only thing I see lacking is DB's and DT's, which are both difficult positions to recruit at this level. Would also like to see another OL recruit or 2.

Lots of players are recruited as "athletes" even if they aren't labeled one coming in. How many of our safety recruits have moved to LB? How many of our LB recruits have moved to the DL? Also not unordinary to see players move from offense to defense and vise versa. Also not unordinary for those moves to work out pretty well.

Bottom line is you recruit the "athletes" that have the most potential and are most likely to contribute. They don't need to be designated for a certain position coming in as 17-18 year old recruits.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I will be less cynical than certain what I expect certain other posters who haven't weighed in yet, but this is kind of what we should expect after a 6-5 no playoff season. You all can rationalize it all you want but kids want in to championship programs. UM isn't there (yet) and there are indications that it is going the wrong way. These young men, and there parents, are not stupid and they are going to go to where the winds are blowing more favorably ... EWU, NA, NDSU, UND ............ etc. One year's class will not make a huge difference but if there are no playoffs and another mediocre record next year that will equate to two in a row will have impact on the future. We need to lure 3 star players into the program and we won't be able to do that without having a first class program. Sorry, I know this will piss the posters with rose colors glasses off but give me a break and wait until to see what we get next year if we don't get to the playoffs. Recruits look for success and that isn't going to change just because some of you want it to. On the positive side there are some good prospects here, especially Favoroso.

A) your post assumes they're being recruited by those other schools in addition to UM
B) kids also like to play in front of a full house--only NDSU can offer that
C) only UND has anything remotely like our new champions center and locker rooms
D) if we get an indoor practice facility we'll be light years ahead of other programs in this conference

 

[KILO217]

UND has the nicest indoor facility in the BSC. Weber even has a 50 yard indoor facility now and you could count NAU, ISU and Idaho as having indoor facilities with their domes. We need an indoor facility and new press box - any idea if those are in the works?

 

[Ursus1]

Indoor facility would be nice....pressbox skip it and use money elsewhere (making announcers happy doesn't win games). RB'S .....a couple on griz Radar have committed elsewhere so chances are going down and looks like Brugg at CB is very very unlikely with his other offer.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Choate took a dogshit team, and they got better as the year went on. Lest we forget he beat us in our house. Conversely, Stitt took a decent/good team, and, well, they got worse. Way worse. That can't help recruiting.
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With graduation and attrition, in the last two years we've lost 50-60 kids who played under 3 different coaches. After this year's class is signed, we will have 60 or more kids who were recruited by, believe in, and are all dying to play football for, Bob Stitt. I don't see future teams quitting on the season or the coaches like the end of last year. If it happens again next year, we will all know who to blame.

Look, neither Gus nor Chad fully got how to run Stitt's offense. Does he do something different with them and leave the other skill players to play out of the system, or does he stick with the system so the other skill players can improve in the offense and be ready next year for, hopefully, a better QB in the system? Now that the D players know the base defenses, more time in zone coverage can be worked on in spring and fall camps. Stitt and Seymore are smart guys, and I'm anxious to see if they put what they learned into improvements on both sides of the ball.

 

[get'em_griz]

UND has the nicest indoor facility in the BSC. Weber even has a 50 yard indoor facility now and you could count NAU, ISU and Idaho as having indoor facilities with their domes. We need an indoor facility and new press box - any idea if those are in the works?

There are plans for an indoor practice facility. Pretty sure it's the next big project on the list, but I could be wrong.

 

[poorgriz]

Choate took a dogshit team, and they got better as the year went on. Lest we forget he beat us in our house. Conversely, Stitt took a decent/good team, and, well, they got worse. Way worse. That can't help recruiting.
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With graduation and attrition, in the last two years we've lost 50-60 kids who played under 3 different coaches. After this year's class is signed, we will have 60 or more kids who were recruited by, believe in, and are all dying to play football for, Bob Stitt. I don't see future teams quitting on the season or the coaches like the end of last year. If it happens again next year, we will all know who to blame.

Look, neither Gus nor Chad fully got how to run Stitt's offense. Does he do something different with them and leave the other skill players to play out of the system, or does he stick with the system so the other skill players can improve in the offense and be ready next year for, hopefully, a better QB in the system? Now that the D players know the base defenses, more time in zone coverage can be worked on in spring and fall camps. Stitt and Seymore are smart guys, and I'm anxious to see if they put what they learned into improvements on both sides of the ball.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

It's the system. It's flawed, it will never be consistently successful, and I seriously doubt Bobs Titt will ever scrap is and redesign it because it defines him. I've told you guys this many many times.

 

[kyle_sample]

UND has the nicest indoor facility in the BSC. Weber even has a 50 yard indoor facility now and you could count NAU, ISU and Idaho as having indoor facilities with their domes. We need an indoor facility and new press box - any idea if those are in the works?

If you have about $15 million to donate they are

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I've told you guys this many many times.

This is the same tagline that 75 always uses. (or at least something very similar)

 

[krammer]

the consensus of most coaches is that the most difficult position to recruit for, is cornerback,,,they are generally considered the "best" true athletes on the team......they are a premium at any level of football,,,,we need a couple of real good ones in this class and I don't see them yet....

 

[BDizzle]

Just imagine if Tru would've stayed at WR.

 

[Copper Griz]

Choate took a dogshit team, and they got better as the year went on. Lest we forget he beat us in our house. Conversely, Stitt took a decent/good team, and, well, they got worse. Way worse. That can't help recruiting.
.

With graduation and attrition, in the last two years we've lost 50-60 kids who played under 3 different coaches. After this year's class is signed, we will have 60 or more kids who were recruited by, believe in, and are all dying to play football for, Bob Stitt. I don't see future teams quitting on the season or the coaches like the end of last year. If it happens again next year, we will all know who to blame.

Look, neither Gus nor Chad fully got how to run Stitt's offense. Does he do something different with them and leave the other skill players to play out of the system, or does he stick with the system so the other skill players can improve in the offense and be ready next year for, hopefully, a better QB in the system? Now that the D players know the base defenses, more time in zone coverage can be worked on in spring and fall camps. Stitt and Seymore are smart guys, and I'm anxious to see if they put what they learned into improvements on both sides of the ball.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

It's the system. It's flawed, it will never be consistently successful, and I seriously doubt Bobs Titt will ever scrap is and redesign it because it defines him. I've told you guys this many many times.

Well my God we should stop having any further debate on this board. Mr. Credibility just arrived. How about you worry more about what Jeff and Ty are doing in Bozeman? Seems there is plenty of improvement that needs to happen east of Missoula. I don't think any Griz fan is holding their breath. Bob will either succeed or fail. Plain and simple. Just like Choate. The main difference is that Bob has better facilities to recruit to, better crowd attendance and he will either prosper or hand the reigns over to the next HC with damn good recruits. Choate may succeed and then move on with a fat contract or he may perform in a mediocre fashion and have a tough time recruiting to the crumbling bleachers and shit pond that is MSU. Who is in a better position. I will take the U of M long term every day of the week. The facilities are phenomenal and their is a Big upside with a new president and leadership coming in. The U of M stubbed their toe. Stupid, but not the end of the world. No program stays on top forever. Everything cycles (Alabama) and the Griz will return as a top tier program in time. MSU - hard to tell if they ever will.

 

[griz5700]

Can't possibly be worse than last year's class? #bestclassever

 

[sdk.catfish]

Unread postby Copper Griz » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:06 pm
I will take the U of M long term every day of the week. The facilities are phenomenal and their is a Big upside with a new president and leadership coming in.

Copper - I really have no problem with your post except for the above. Nobody really knows what a new president and new leadership will mean for athletics. While many of us, at least when we are rational and not celebrating or bemoaning a Griz victory or defeat, believe that athletics is secondary to restoring UM to being a premier university, it is always hard to let go of the football legacy. We can all hope but as Michelle Obama put it some of us feel as follows: "We are feeling what not having hope feels like". I apologize about the political reference, and possibly that isn't as relevant as you would like it but at this point there is absolutely no guarantee that a new president will prove to be be more or less supportive than the last. We all hope............ Sometimes it just doesn't work out the way we hope.

 

[Copper Griz]

Unread postby Copper Griz » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:06 pm
I will take the U of M long term every day of the week. The facilities are phenomenal and their is a Big upside with a new president and leadership coming in.

Copper - I really have no problem with your post except for the above. Nobody really knows what a new president and new leadership will mean for athletics. While many of us, at least when we are rational and not celebrating or bemoaning a Griz victory or defeat, believe that athletics is secondary to restoring UM to being a premier university, it is always hard to let go of the football legacy. We can all hope but as Michelle Obama put it some of us feel as follows: "We are feeling what not having hope feels like". I apologize about the political reference, and possibly that isn't as relevant as you would like it but at this point there is absolutely no guarantee that a new president will prove to be be more or less supportive than the last. We all hope............ Sometimes it just doesn't work out the way we hope.

No offense taken by your post and I am probably in the minority with my optimistic stance concerning a new President. I believe things cannot get any worse. Engstrom was not a leader, engendered little confidence from all and was left in the position far too long. Leaders are confident, have a vision and pursue that vision relentlessly. The U will turn around, but it will take time and definitely requires a leader with a vision for the future. Someone who understands what businesses need from graduates. First and foremost, there better be some marketing and branding. I see it this way. The U of M football program will be fine. Their enrollment is a concern. I would flip that status when it comes to MSU. This year was an anomaly for the football programs. Stitt will get his recruits in his system and he will have success. The coaching merry go round has been brutal at the U of M. MSU got better as the season progressed and they have a good staff. That does not mean their program will turn around in short order. The facilities and history surrounding the program are nothing special. That is not throwing a dig at MSU, it is just factual. In the past 30 years they have been mediocre at best.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Copper - Totally in agreement, especially of this:

First and foremost, there better be some marketing and branding

Just so sad because the pieces are all in place. I might have mentioned this before but my daughter graduated from UM with a Biology degree and received a WUI scholarship, among other scholarships, to attend Washington State Veterinary School. Getting in to veterinary school is much harder that getting in to medical school but UM provided the education that met acceptance criteria. She is now a practicing Doctor of Veterinary Medicine. This doesn't have to be a disaster for ever but we really need some progressive leadership, such as been experienced at MSU scholastically (no comment related to the football program).

 

[BillingsMafia]

Choate took a dogshit team, and they got better as the year went on. Lest we forget he beat us in our house. Conversely, Stitt took a decent/good team, and, well, they got worse. Way worse. That can't help recruiting.
.

With graduation and attrition, in the last two years we've lost 50-60 kids who played under 3 different coaches. After this year's class is signed, we will have 60 or more kids who were recruited by, believe in, and are all dying to play football for, Bob Stitt. I don't see future teams quitting on the season or the coaches like the end of last year. If it happens again next year, we will all know who to blame.

Look, neither Gus nor Chad fully got how to run Stitt's offense. Does he do something different with them and leave the other skill players to play out of the system, or does he stick with the system so the other skill players can improve in the offense and be ready next year for, hopefully, a better QB in the system? Now that the D players know the base defenses, more time in zone coverage can be worked on in spring and fall camps. Stitt and Seymore are smart guys, and I'm anxious to see if they put what they learned into improvements on both sides of the ball.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

It's the system. It's flawed, it will never be consistently successful, and I seriously doubt Bobs Titt will ever scrap is and redesign it because it defines him. I've told you guys this many many times.

I agree with this

 

[rocklobster]

Im gonna go out on a limb and say-although his arguments are well thought out and stated-that sdk.catfish is a dickhead. I'm pretty sure...yeah!