This just in...JJ's Back!

[Gaeilge1]

I simply can't agree with you Player. As an attorney you should recognize that we are both arguing positions with facts that are not in evidence, but it seems in watching that game against ND that no matter what we did it would not have been enough.

As I said earlier, I think JJ would have been the difference in at least 3 losses last year. I think with him at the helm we win against ASU, NAU and certainly MSU. The MSU game wouldn't have even been close. Then again, I thought McKinney would have been a better choice and given us a better chance to win that game than SSH was.

All I am saying is we should not allow the fact that JJ is now back deter us from recognizing that this team had a good number of issues not related to qb play last year that need to be resolved if the 2013 team is going to be a championship contender.

 

[grizindabox]

The North Dakota game for one. I doubt even JJ would be able to overcome a secondary that gave up 600 yards through the air. Our offense actually played pretty well in that game.

I also question whether JJ would have been able to save the SUU game. When you give up 10 points with ludicrous special teams play it tends to derail the whole team.

Finally, there was the EWU game. Again the offense played well enough to win and special teams did not get it done.

I disagree that qb play was the reason for 6 losses last year. I'll give you 3 but not 6.

All of the losses were winnable with JJ at qb. Instead of finding a way to lose, the team would have had more offense, play-making ability, confidence, and found a way to win.

In the ND game, UM lost by 6 points, scoring no points and getting 88 yards in 6 drives, in the last 21 minutes of the game. JJ would have been good for some points, more offense, and would have kept ND's offense off the field more. In those other games, UM would likely have been further ahead, and the poor play you mentioned wouldn't have mattered.

Wondering if you can prove this hypothesis of yours?

Already proved. All of the coaches agree.

So the answer is NO, you can not prove your hypothesis?

 

[GoldStandardGriz]

I simply can't agree with you Player. As an attorney you should recognize that we are both arguing positions with facts that are not in evidence, but it seems in watching that game against ND that no matter what we did it would not have been enough.

As I said earlier, I think JJ would have been the difference in at least 3 losses last year. I think with him at the helm we win against ASU, NAU and certainly MSU. The MSU game wouldn't have even been close. Then again, I thought McKinney would have been a better choice and given us a better chance to win that game than SSH was.

All I am saying is we should not allow the fact that JJ is now back deter us from recognizing that this team had a good number of issues not related to qb play last year that need to be resolved if the 2013 team is going to be a championship contender.

We should have won the ND, SUU & EWU games without JJ. Shot ourselves in the foot each time we took control of those games. Even giving up 600 yds in the air we came back & had the game in our hands until we threw up on ourselves on the last 3 drives. Had SUU beat until the ST error. Had EWU beat until they got the lucky breaks. With JJ, who knows? We win AT LEAST 3 or 4 of our L's, maybe all 6.

 

[PlayerRep]

All of the losses were winnable with JJ at qb. Instead of finding a way to lose, the team would have had more offense, play-making ability, confidence, and found a way to win.

In the ND game, UM lost by 6 points, scoring no points and getting 88 yards in 6 drives, in the last 21 minutes of the game. JJ would have been good for some points, more offense, and would have kept ND's offense off the field more. In those other games, UM would likely have been further ahead, and the poor play you mentioned wouldn't have mattered.

Wondering if you can prove this hypothesis of yours?

Already proved. All of the coaches agree.

So the answer is NO, you can not prove your hypothesis?

Nope, not even trying. No reason to argue with someone who doesn't understand football and doesn't know coaches/players/parents, like yourself. Looks like most posters are agreeing that we likely would have won all or most of the games, though.

 

[Spanky]

Player is correct. With JJ at the helm, we are a different team. Considering the existing and new incoming talent, and now with a first rate qb, the Griz are going to be difficult for any FCS team to beat. Welcome back JJ! Go Griz!!

 

[uofmman1122]

People are assuming that we would have still been in position to fuck up on special teams with JJ at the helm.

Having JJ would have changed the games in a much more dramatic way than some are suggesting.

 

[ilovethecats]

we likely would have won all or most of the games, though.

so you would have won all your games with jj. does that mean you are predicting an undefeated team this year?

 

[GoldStandardGriz]

People are assuming that we would have still been in position to f*** up on special teams with JJ at the helm.

Having JJ would have changed the games in a much more dramatic way than some are suggesting.

I am not assuming anything. All I did was state where we were in those games WITHOUT him. All were winnable.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Welcome back JJ, GRIZ NATION is with you all the way.

I think it is safe to say/think the GRIZ would have been a playoff team with JJ last season. It is impossible to prove for sure how many more W's we would of had. Also we don't know if Rosenbach would have still checked out last season during the season. The GRIZ likely would of had more TD's, less FG, less punts, and much better field position, which would have helped special teams and defense.

We don't know if his impact would have prevented so many boneheaded coaching decisions. IF anything, our pass defense numbers may have been worse with JJ. We would have had more points. Teams would have longer fields, and forced to pass more often. The whole team let down against NAU, hard to say what the outcome would have been in that one. They kicked our ass in the 2nd half. No way around that. I think we likely win the MSU, EWU, and SUU games. The App State game is hard to say too.

Also even the best QB's at every level have a game or 2 a year when they struggle by playing below their expectations. It is likely, even JJ would have lost 1 or 2 of those close games as well. He is a play maker and dynamic player, but is still human. I think the GRIZ would be around 8-3 with him at QB.

I still think we would still have to overcome a lot of coaching mistakes, and a God Awful Pathetic pass defense last season.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

With JJ in the game, the defense would not have been on the field nearly as much. The best defense is a good offense.

 

[ilovethecats]

With JJ in the game, the defense would not have been on the field nearly as much. The best defense is a good offense.

unless you're ndsu. number one defense in the country with the 57th offense. griz offense finished 11th in the country....

 

[Cats2506]

With JJ in the game, the defense would not have been on the field nearly as much. The best defense is a good offense.

That is what you say about teams with shitty defenses

 

[EverettGriz]

With JJ in the game, the defense would not have been on the field nearly as much. The best defense is a good offense.

That is what you say about teams with shitty defenses

Well, you must have said it every year for 27 straight years.....

 

[ilovethecats]

With JJ in the game, the defense would not have been on the field nearly as much. The best defense is a good offense.

That is what you say about teams with shitty defenses

Well, you must have said it every year for 27 straight years.....

many years defense was not our problem.

in fact, since we won a championship in '84 the cats have led the conference in defense 7 times. same amount as the griz. in that same span we had the best offense once...two seasons ago.

although points are the name of the game and i'll admit um is in a league of their own as far as scoring defense. since '84 you guys have been the best in the conference in this category 14 times! cats twice.

 

[EverettGriz]

Damn, look at the encyclopedia brain on ILTC!! :thumb:

 

[Cats2506]

With JJ in the game, the defense would not have been on the field nearly as much. The best defense is a good offense.

That is what you say about teams with shitty defenses

Well, you must have said it every year for 27 straight years.....

many years defense was not our problem.

in fact, since we won a championship in '84 the cats have led the conference in defense 7 times. same amount as the griz. in that same span we had the best offense once...two seasons ago.

although points are the name of the game and i'll admit um is in a league of their own as far as scoring defense. since '84 you guys have been the best in the conference in this category 14 times! cats twice.

Its pointless to explain this to DHIW, he doesn't know what he doesn't want to know

 

[ilovethecats]

Damn, look at the encyclopedia brain on ILTC!! :thumb:

nah. i just love reading through the big sky media guide. some damn good players and teams over the years. :thumb:

 

[NorthernCat]

Congrats to JJ and Griznation on this outcome, it seems that this was destined to happen, and that it's the correct outcome given the facts that we now know after his "trial" (which never should have even happened it seems). Glad to hear that his career was only derailed for a year, and not totally ruined. Look forward to seeing if we can fare any better this time around than 2 years ago!

 

[billingsgriz]

We were 1-6 last year in close games: EWU, SUU, ND, MSU, NAU, Weber, and App State.

With an experienced JJ behind center with his speed and arm, while we don't win the national championship and probably not The Big Sky Championship, we go at least 3-4 in the close games, probably more like 4-3 and finish the year 7-4 or 8-3 and make the playoffs in the latter situation. And our streak of 26 winning season continues into a 27th. (What if? As my Drill Instructor in the Marine Corps used to say "What if worms carried 45's? Birds wouldn't mess with them ! ")

We were 3-3 last year at WA-GRIZ--I was so pissed off after our Homecoming loss to NAU I drove straight back to Billings after driving up earlier in the day for the game. We were going to celebrate after the game--celebrate what?, but I was not in the mood.--and our vaunted homefield advantage melted like snow in May !

If Jordy is healthy, we at least make the playoffs and contend for The Big SKy and if I had to guess, I would say 9-2 or 8-3. Is a national championship possible?

Yes, unlikely, but yes. If you doubt that, how many of you at the beginning of the season had The Ravens winning The Super Bowl. How about with a month left? (I didn't !!!)

 

[JBS]

The whole thing is a stupid argument. If JJ was there last year it would have meant Pflugrad would have been there which would have meant.......... Ifs are stupid.