This just in...JJ's Back!

[RobGriz]

His redshirt is just a formality. He will have 2 years left.

Maybe we should get RG a book on the very basics of redshirt rules, and teach him how to count to 5. Petition the ncaa for a redshirt year. Now that's pretty funny.

Every student-athlete at BC has five years from the time they enroll in classes full-time for the first time in order to fit in four years of eligibility. If you use up those four years of eligibility in your first four years of college, then that’s all you get. If you don’t play until your fifth year of college, you only get to play one season
The absence of a definition notwithstanding, a student-athlete redshirts when they do not participate in any intercollegiate competition during a given academic year. The main reason for purposely redshirting a student-athlete is to preserve a year of their eligibility. The moment a student-athlete competes for a single second of time or a single play, they will use up one of their four years of eligibility. “Intercollegiate competition” includes any contests against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmages, exhibitions, etc.). (NCAA Bylaw 14.02.6)

So what is the point of posting this? Everyone else already knew this. JJ participated his frosh and sophomore year. Last fall was his redshirt year. Now he has two years left.

By the way, JJ is a full-time student this semester, and also was in the fall. Don't know where the Kaimin came up with its incorrect information in an article several days ago.

The point is, that yes he can take last year as his redshirt year, he has to inform the NCAA. Most view this as the paperwork formality that it is, but it still has to be done.
Also, the University could have in anticipation of JJ's return, informed the NCAA at the beginning of last year that JJ was redshirting and he would not have to petition them at all.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

And the dangerous dance continues.....

Whos leading?

 

[PlayerRep]

So, if he's back on the team "effective immediately", does that mean he's eligible for Spring ball? Or is there still the credit issue to work through?

As I just said in another post, he is a full-time student this semester, and with 2.5 full years and another .5 now, he surely has plenty of credits. I assume he will be at winter conditioning this week. He's been lifting and working out hard since last fall. Is apparently very strong right now.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So, if he's back on the team "effective immediately", does that mean he's eligible for Spring ball? Or is there still the credit issue to work through?

As I just said in another post, he is a full-time student this semester, and with 2.5 full years and another .5 now, he surely has plenty of credits. I assume he will be at winter conditioning this week. He's been lifting and working out hard since last fall. Is apparently very strong right now.

Yea, saw your post after I posed my question. That's very good news. :clap: :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Here is an overview of the rules for NCAA eligibility. And, it comes from a pretty valid source, the NCAA.

http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2011/12/reevaluating-the-most-important-rule/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Long story short, "redshirt" is not really a term in the actual rule (14.2.1). Rather, for division I athletes, you have 5 consecutive years to play 4 years of your given sport. This 5-year time limit can be stopped for many reasons. But, at least in the rule, the time clock will not be stopped for being suspended due to being accused of rape. Thus, JJ will have to petition the NCAA to be made an exception to the rule. My guess is that he would get his exception, but him receiving one more year is not a given.

Here is the link to the NCAA Bylaw. https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/bylawSearch?bylawSearchSubmit=Get%20Selected%20Items&multiple=731&division=1&adopted=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Petition for what? There's nothing to petition for. It's been explained to you multiple times in this thread.

 

[fanofzoo]

So the grizzlie athletic department recruits perps and pervs, reaps the profits of their on-field success which it uses to pay off the so-called justice system for their off-the-field deviance. Quite the business model. I guess this just makes it official. :roll:

I've always felt that this kind of corruption starts in the home. Today's brainwashed lefty parents let their children get away with murder and scream at the top of their lungs if their little brats don't at least get a blue ribbon for participation (it could damage their fragile self-esteem, you know).

Of course they're going to expect special treatment in this kind of environment.

Oh look everybody, Panthera is back...

I thought we whipped them soooo bad that they would never come back.

 

[PlayerRep]

Maybe we should get RG a book on the very basics of redshirt rules, and teach him how to count to 5. Petition the ncaa for a redshirt year. Now that's pretty funny.

Every student-athlete at BC has five years from the time they enroll in classes full-time for the first time in order to fit in four years of eligibility. If you use up those four years of eligibility in your first four years of college, then that’s all you get. If you don’t play until your fifth year of college, you only get to play one season
The absence of a definition notwithstanding, a student-athlete redshirts when they do not participate in any intercollegiate competition during a given academic year. The main reason for purposely redshirting a student-athlete is to preserve a year of their eligibility. The moment a student-athlete competes for a single second of time or a single play, they will use up one of their four years of eligibility. “Intercollegiate competition” includes any contests against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmages, exhibitions, etc.). (NCAA Bylaw 14.02.6)

So what is the point of posting this? Everyone else already knew this. JJ participated his frosh and sophomore year. Last fall was his redshirt year. Now he has two years left.

By the way, JJ is a full-time student this semester, and also was in the fall. Don't know where the Kaimin came up with its incorrect information in an article several days ago.

The point is, that yes he can take last year as his redshirt year, he has to inform the NCAA. Most view this as the paperwork formality that it is, but it still has to be done.
Also, the University could have in anticipation of JJ's return, informed the NCAA at the beginning of last year that JJ was redshirting and he would not have to petition them at all.

If it's just a "paperwork formality", why did you even bring this up and say that he had to "petition" the ncaa? See your quote below:

"SO JJ will have to petition the ncaa for a redshirt for last year"

 

[grizpsych]

To try and clear this up. You don't petition the NCAA for a "redshirt". There are no papers to fill out. The NCAA Bylaw for Division I student athletes simply states that you have five consecutive years to play four years of your sport. Thus, as far as the NCAA is concerned, JJ has used up three of his five years. So, JJ has two years of eligibility left.

Notes

1) The eligibility clock continued to run out when he was not enrolled in classes.

2) It may be possible to petition the NCAA to roll back his eligibility clock one year using the following argument: JJ was not able to play during the 2012 season because of a situation out of his control (being accused of rape). Importantly, the NCAA will have to agree that his not playing in 2012 was out of his control for him to get this year back.

3) If he does get a year back, he will have three years to play two seasons. So regardless, he will play two more seasons.

4) The only reason to petition the NCAA to get back one year of eligibility would be to ensure that if he got injured for one season he could still play two more seasons.

 

[bigsky33]

After all he went through, I am glad the school did the right thing and let him back. He will make you a much stronger team. But, you still need a new coach. Should be a fun season coming up!

 

[RobGriz]

Every student-athlete at BC has five years from the time they enroll in classes full-time for the first time in order to fit in four years of eligibility. If you use up those four years of eligibility in your first four years of college, then that’s all you get. If you don’t play until your fifth year of college, you only get to play one season
The absence of a definition notwithstanding, a student-athlete redshirts when they do not participate in any intercollegiate competition during a given academic year. The main reason for purposely redshirting a student-athlete is to preserve a year of their eligibility. The moment a student-athlete competes for a single second of time or a single play, they will use up one of their four years of eligibility. “Intercollegiate competition” includes any contests against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmages, exhibitions, etc.). (NCAA Bylaw 14.02.6)

So what is the point of posting this? Everyone else already knew this. JJ participated his frosh and sophomore year. Last fall was his redshirt year. Now he has two years left.

By the way, JJ is a full-time student this semester, and also was in the fall. Don't know where the Kaimin came up with its incorrect information in an article several days ago.

The point is, that yes he can take last year as his redshirt year, he has to inform the NCAA. Most view this as the paperwork formality that it is, but it still has to be done.
Also, the University could have in anticipation of JJ's return, informed the NCAA at the beginning of last year that JJ was redshirting and he would not have to petition them at all.

If it's just a "paperwork formality", why did you even bring this up and say that he had to "petition" the ncaa? See your quote below:

"SO JJ will have to petition the ncaa for a redshirt for last year"

WTF do you care what I do? Someone asked a question and I answered. Like I said earlier, if you want to talk to me in person about it I'm game.

 

[grizindabox]

Here is an overview of the rules for NCAA eligibility. And, it comes from a pretty valid source, the NCAA.

http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2011/12/reevaluating-the-most-important-rule/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Long story short, "redshirt" is not really a term in the actual rule (14.2.1). Rather, for division I athletes, you have 5 consecutive years to play 4 years of your given sport. This 5-year time limit can be stopped for many reasons. But, at least in the rule, the time clock will not be stopped for being suspended due to being accused of rape. Thus, JJ will have to petition the NCAA to be made an exception to the rule. My guess is that he would get his exception, but him receiving one more year is not a given.

Here is the link to the NCAA Bylaw. https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/bylawSearch?bylawSearchSubmit=Get%20Selected%20Items&multiple=731&division=1&adopted=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JJ did not need the 5 year clock stopped to still have 2 years of eligibility remaining. So it is not an exception.

 

[Ursa Major]

This is incorrect...a student-athlete has 5 years to compete 4. JJ played sparingly in year 1, led the Griz to the semifinals in year 2, and did not play in year 3 due to the cluster. He still has 2 years of eligibility remaining.

Actually you are incorrect. Not trying to start crap, but, while an atlete has 5 years, one of those has to be a redshirt and JJ did not . SO JJ will have to petition the ncaa for a redshirt for last year. If he does AND the NCAA grants it he should have, as you pointed out 2 years. The clock starts the second you hit the field. If you take a year off, get suspended, quit, go on a mission or...whatever, the clock doesn't stop then start again it just keeps on running.

His redshirt is just a formality. He will have 2 years left.

Maybe we should get RG a book on the very basics of redshirt rules, and teach him how to count to 5. Petition the ncaa for a redshirt year. Now that's pretty funny.

Why? Why go out of your way to be such an ass??

I can imagine your parents just scratching their heads when your Kindergarten report card said, PR does not play well with others.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Actually you are incorrect. Not trying to start crap, but, while an atlete has 5 years, one of those has to be a redshirt and JJ did not . SO JJ will have to petition the ncaa for a redshirt for last year. If he does AND the NCAA grants it he should have, as you pointed out 2 years. The clock starts the second you hit the field. If you take a year off, get suspended, quit, go on a mission or...whatever, the clock doesn't stop then start again it just keeps on running.

His redshirt is just a formality. He will have 2 years left.

Maybe we should get RG a book on the very basics of redshirt rules, and teach him how to count to 5. Petition the ncaa for a redshirt year. Now that's pretty funny.

Why? Why go out of your way to be such an ass??

I could be wrong, but I don't believe he's going out of his way.

 

[Umista]

One of my ex wives called me and said "I suppose they will give Johnson a red shirt year because of this mess he caused". I in turn responded back "no dear they have a special shirt for him, it is white!"

She being of msu and spending 5 years of her life at that ice cold school still hates me and the Griz.

So you saw it here first a "white shirt year" for Jordy.

A very belated welcome back Jordy, Welcome back from me and my girl friend. Go Griz.

 

[grizpsych]

Here is an overview of the rules for NCAA eligibility. And, it comes from a pretty valid source, the NCAA.

http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2011/12/reevaluating-the-most-important-rule/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Long story short, "redshirt" is not really a term in the actual rule (14.2.1). Rather, for division I athletes, you have 5 consecutive years to play 4 years of your given sport. This 5-year time limit can be stopped for many reasons. But, at least in the rule, the time clock will not be stopped for being suspended due to being accused of rape. Thus, JJ will have to petition the NCAA to be made an exception to the rule. My guess is that he would get his exception, but him receiving one more year is not a given.

Here is the link to the NCAA Bylaw. https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/bylawSearch?bylawSearchSubmit=Get%20Selected%20Items&multiple=731&division=1&adopted=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JJ did not need the 5 year clock stopped to still have 2 years of eligibility remaining. So it is not an exception.

I know. I made my point a little clearer in a later post. He could petition for the year back so that he would have three years to play two. The reason for doing this would be to have some cushion in case he gets injured during one of the next two seasons. But, like you wrote, he would not need to do this to play the next two years.

 

[GrizMusician]

So the grizzlie athletic department recruits perps and pervs, reaps the profits of their on-field success which it uses to pay off the so-called justice system for their off-the-field deviance. Quite the business model. I guess this just makes it official. :roll:

I've always felt that this kind of corruption starts in the home. Today's brainwashed lefty parents let their children get away with murder and scream at the top of their lungs if their little brats don't at least get a blue ribbon for participation (it could damage their fragile self-esteem, you know).

Of course they're going to expect special treatment in this kind of environment.

You can bet your ass that we'll have some special treatment for you coming this winter...

 

[Grisly Fan]

So the grizzlie athletic department recruits perps and pervs, reaps the profits of their on-field success which it uses to pay off the so-called justice system for their off-the-field deviance. Quite the business model. I guess this just makes it official. :roll:

I've always felt that this kind of corruption starts in the home. Today's brainwashed lefty parents let their children get away with murder and scream at the top of their lungs if their little brats don't at least get a blue ribbon for participation (it could damage their fragile self-esteem, you know).

Of course they're going to expect special treatment in this kind of environment.

You can bet your ass that we'll have some special treatment for you coming this winter...

Apparently having consensual sex with a woman is considered deviant out there in I-O-way. I don't even want to know what they think is normal. Perhaps getting bitch-slapped in Montana is more to their liking. They sure seemed to take it well last time.

 

[Grizzly Oredigger]

On the MSN Homepage:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jordan-johnson-rape-charge-acquittal-reinstated-to-montana-grizzlies-team-030513" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Quarterback Jordan Johnson has been reinstated to the Montana football team after his acquittal on a rape charge.

Johnson was dismissed from the team under the UM student-athlete code of conduct after being charged last July with sexual intercourse without consent. He was acquitted Friday by a jury that deliberated for about two hours.

Johnson appealed his suspension from the team over the weekend and is back on the team immediately, school officials said Tuesday. The school's Athletic Conduct Team heard his appeal Monday and university President Royce Engstrom also approved the quarterback's reinstatement, the university said.

Johnson has two years of eligibility remaining and is eligible to participate in spring drills, which begin March 18, athletics director Kent Haslam said Tuesday.

Johnson played as a true freshman. As a sophomore, he passed for 2,400 yards and 21 touchdowns and ran for 506 yards and four more scores in leading Montana to an 11-3 record and a spot in the semifinals of the 2011 Football Championship Subdivision playoffs.

Johnson missed the 2012 season while the charge was pending."

 

[go4two]

On the MSN Homepage:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jordan-johnson-rape-charge-acquittal-reinstated-to-montana-grizzlies-team-030513" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Quarterback Jordan Johnson has been reinstated to the Montana football team after his acquittal on a rape charge.

Johnson was dismissed from the team under the UM student-athlete code of conduct after being charged last July with sexual intercourse without consent. He was acquitted Friday by a jury that deliberated for about two hours.

Johnson appealed his suspension from the team over the weekend and is back on the team immediately, school officials said Tuesday. The school's Athletic Conduct Team heard his appeal Monday and university President Royce Engstrom also approved the quarterback's reinstatement, the university said.

Johnson has two years of eligibility remaining and is eligible to participate in spring drills, which begin March 18, athletics director Kent Haslam said Tuesday.

Johnson played as a true freshman. As a sophomore, he passed for 2,400 yards and 21 touchdowns and ran for 506 yards and four more scores in leading Montana to an 11-3 record and a spot in the semifinals of the 2011 Football Championship Subdivision playoffs.

Johnson missed the 2012 season while the charge was pending."

Well, there you go! 2 years of eligibility and will participate in spring drills! Yea baby!

 

[Grizbacker1]

So what is the point of posting this? Everyone else already knew this. JJ participated his frosh and sophomore year. Last fall was his redshirt year. Now he has two years left.

By the way, JJ is a full-time student this semester, and also was in the fall. Don't know where the Kaimin came up with its incorrect information in an article several days ago.

The point is, that yes he can take last year as his redshirt year, he has to inform the NCAA. Most view this as the paperwork formality that it is, but it still has to be done.
Also, the University could have in anticipation of JJ's return, informed the NCAA at the beginning of last year that JJ was redshirting and he would not have to petition them at all.

If it's just a "paperwork formality", why did you even bring this up and say that he had to "petition" the ncaa? See your quote below:

"SO JJ will have to petition the ncaa for a redshirt for last year"

WTF do you care what I do? Someone asked a question and I answered. Like I said earlier, if you want to talk to me in person about it I'm game.

FFS another internet tough guy who goes to paradise falls and drinks all afternoon. you must be about the same level of itellect and bruce danielson, geez, what a loser