The Reno wreck and the BSC tournament idea

[debellatio]

If you look at the three teams below and above UM in the RPI conference rankings they all have neutral site conference tournaments. One of the conferences has the quarterfinals at the higher seed home gym and the semi-final and final at a neutral site. I wounder if they have the same attendance issue or if it is an issue the BSC has. Could the lack of attendance be because the conference is so spread out where the conferences in the east and south are geographically closer together and the travel isn't as bad. Just rambling some thoughts.

 

[marceagfan5]

If you look at the three teams below and above UM in the RPI conference rankings they all have neutral site conference tournaments. One of the conferences has the quarterfinals at the higher seed home gym and the semi-final and final at a neutral site. I wounder if they have the same attendance issue or if it is an issue the BSC has. Could the lack of attendance be because the conference is so spread out where the conferences in the east and south are geographically closer together and the travel isn't as bad. Just rambling some thoughts.

Outside of UND, MSU, and UM, every other school in the BIg Sky has to compete with much larger programs within the state or their regional area to compete with in terms of fans. Eastern and Idaho compete with WSU and Gonzaga and will never win that battle. UNC competes with both Colorado Schools and Denver U. NAU is probably the 4th best Arizona D1 program now. PSU has both Pac 12 schools nearby. Sac has too many schools in their state to count as bigger. SUU gets trumped by USU, Weber, and Utah. The only school that does well in these States is Weber...Thus, regardless where you have the tourney, most schools are going to have little support. And in reality, even on campus sites, unless the host school is playing, attendance is pretty poor at all the venues...

 

[i_the_sky]

I don't care where it's played for Bozeman 50 fans is a bust!!!!!!!!!!! Unless they play Montana then there will be many, many more Griz fans!!!
Go Griz!

 

[i_the_sky]

I don't care where it's played for Bozeman 50 fans is a bust!!!!!!!!!!! Unless they play Montana then there will be many, many more Griz fans!!!
Go Griz!

 

[debellatio]

If you look at the three teams below and above UM in the RPI conference rankings they all have neutral site conference tournaments. One of the conferences has the quarterfinals at the higher seed home gym and the semi-final and final at a neutral site. I wounder if they have the same attendance issue or if it is an issue the BSC has. Could the lack of attendance be because the conference is so spread out where the conferences in the east and south are geographically closer together and the travel isn't as bad. Just rambling some thoughts.

Outside of UND, MSU, and UM, every other school in the BIg Sky has to compete with much larger programs within the state or their regional area to compete with in terms of fans. Eastern and Idaho compete with WSU and Gonzaga and will never win that battle. UNC competes with both Colorado Schools and Denver U. NAU is probably the 4th best Arizona D1 program now. PSU has both Pac 12 schools nearby. Sac has too many schools in their state to count as bigger. SUU gets trumped by USU, Weber, and Utah. The only school that does well in these States is Weber...Thus, regardless where you have the tourney, most schools are going to have little support. And in reality, even on campus sites, unless the host school is playing, attendance is pretty poor at all the venues...

I mostly agree with everything you said but the other conferences I was looking at have presumably the same size of schools as the BSC that have to compete with the larger programs in the power 5 conferences.

 

[marceagfan5]

If you look at the three teams below and above UM in the RPI conference rankings they all have neutral site conference tournaments. One of the conferences has the quarterfinals at the higher seed home gym and the semi-final and final at a neutral site. I wounder if they have the same attendance issue or if it is an issue the BSC has. Could the lack of attendance be because the conference is so spread out where the conferences in the east and south are geographically closer together and the travel isn't as bad. Just rambling some thoughts.

Outside of UND, MSU, and UM, every other school in the BIg Sky has to compete with much larger programs within the state or their regional area to compete with in terms of fans. Eastern and Idaho compete with WSU and Gonzaga and will never win that battle. UNC competes with both Colorado Schools and Denver U. NAU is probably the 4th best Arizona D1 program now. PSU has both Pac 12 schools nearby. Sac has too many schools in their state to count as bigger. SUU gets trumped by USU, Weber, and Utah. The only school that does well in these States is Weber...Thus, regardless where you have the tourney, most schools are going to have little support. And in reality, even on campus sites, unless the host school is playing, attendance is pretty poor at all the venues...

I mostly agree with everything you said but the other conferences I was looking at have presumably the same size of schools as the BSC that have to compete with the larger programs in the power 5 conferences.

I think most conferences have this problem. I was at the pac 12 tourney a couple years ago and their turnout for the early rounds was terrible...the WCC is bad in games Gonzaga and BYU aren’t in.

The best thing this conference can do, is if we are contining with a neutral site, at least put the damn thing in a place we’re the locals will go...

Reno was a big mistake and I don’t think Boise will be much better. Spokane And Billings seem more logical to me...

Really what needs to happen is have the conference champ host but I think that ship has sailed...

 

[fanofzoo]

If you look at the three teams below and above UM in the RPI conference rankings they all have neutral site conference tournaments. One of the conferences has the quarterfinals at the higher seed home gym and the semi-final and final at a neutral site. I wounder if they have the same attendance issue or if it is an issue the BSC has. Could the lack of attendance be because the conference is so spread out where the conferences in the east and south are geographically closer together and the travel isn't as bad. Just rambling some thoughts.

Outside of UND, MSU, and UM, every other school in the BIg Sky has to compete with much larger programs within the state or their regional area to compete with in terms of fans. Eastern and Idaho compete with WSU and Gonzaga and will never win that battle. UNC competes with both Colorado Schools and Denver U. NAU is probably the 4th best Arizona D1 program now. PSU has both Pac 12 schools nearby. Sac has too many schools in their state to count as bigger. SUU gets trumped by USU, Weber, and Utah. The only school that does well in these States is Weber...Thus, regardless where you have the tourney, most schools are going to have little support. And in reality, even on campus sites, unless the host school is playing, attendance is pretty poor at all the venues...

I mostly agree with everything you said but the other conferences I was looking at have presumably the same size of schools as the BSC that have to compete with the larger programs in the power 5 conferences.

I think most conferences have this problem. I was at the pac 12 tourney a couple years ago and their turnout for the early rounds was terrible...the WCC is bad in games Gonzaga and BYU aren’t in.

The best thing this conference can do, is if we are contining with a neutral site, at least put the damn thing in a place we’re the locals will go...

Reno was a big mistake and I don’t think Boise will be much better. Spokane And Billings seem more logical to me...

Really what needs to happen is have the conference champ host but I think that ship has sailed...

The world is round, it will come back, unless the bsc is that full of incompetent people. :mrgreen:

 

[GrizLA]

For all you people whining about the attendance at the BSC tourney, you are truly part of the problem. You can be there supporting the Griz if you feel so strongly but you seem to be content to whine and complain. Get to Reno and support the Griz if you feel so stongly. Until then, the tourney is in Reno and next year Boise. You constant complaining of the venue and the efforts to give the players a chance of a championship and taste of tournament action is taking the focus off the teams that worked so hard for 4 months.

 

[Mavman]

For all you people whining about the attendance at the BSC tourney, you are truly part of the problem. You can be there supporting the Griz if you feel so strongly but you seem to be content to whine and complain. Get to Reno and support the Griz if you feel so stongly. Until then, the tourney is in Reno and next year Boise. You constant complaining of the venue and the efforts to give the players a chance of a championship and taste of tournament action is taking the focus off the teams that worked so hard for 4 months.

Thank you Thank you
This is my feeling as well. don't complain about where it is, just get your ass there.
Most of the people would not go to early round games if it was in missoula or their own driveway!
If it is important to you, you will find a way. If it is about money or time off you probably would not go to Butte,bozeman, Billings or Spokane.

 

[GrizLA]

221 points scored in a BSC tourney game between ISU and Weber women. Amazing.

 

[EverettGriz]

For all you people whining about the attendance at the BSC tourney, you are truly part of the problem. You can be there supporting the Griz if you feel so strongly but you seem to be content to whine and complain. Get to Reno and support the Griz if you feel so stongly. Until then, the tourney is in Reno and next year Boise. You constant complaining of the venue and the efforts to give the players a chance of a championship and taste of tournament action is taking the focus off the teams that worked so hard for 4 months.

I'll be there next year.

No way was I going to support the reNO disaster.

 

[GrizLA]

For all you people whining about the attendance at the BSC tourney, you are truly part of the problem. You can be there supporting the Griz if you feel so strongly but you seem to be content to whine and complain. Get to Reno and support the Griz if you feel so stongly. Until then, the tourney is in Reno and next year Boise. You constant complaining of the venue and the efforts to give the players a chance of a championship and taste of tournament action is taking the focus off the teams that worked so hard for 4 months.

I'll be there next year.

No way was I going to support the reNO disaster.

You are not supporting Reno, you are supporting the Griz....

 

[AZGrizFan]

Funny. Watching the Big12 Tourney in Kansas City, Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State....TONS of people in the stands....

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Funny. Watching the Big12 Tourney in Kansas City, Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State....TONS of people in the stands....

That must be false since they are playing at a neutral site.

 

[MissoulaCanucksFan]

I was never a fan of the tournament being placed in Reno in the first place. It's a difficult place to get to from Missoula (and Bozeman for those of you MSU fans that post here) by car and there's no direct flights from MSO and BZN to the Reno-Tahoe airport.

While I'm mostly alright with Boise hosting the tourney through at least 2021, it's still has the logistical issues you have with Reno: no direct route from Missoula/Bozeman and no direct flights from MSO. But one positive is most teams like UM, EWU, UI, ISU, PSU, and WSU can bus up to Boise because the driving distance from Boise to those schools is a lot less than to Reno.

If Boise becomes a disaster like Reno has become, then the easiest thing to do is just hold both tournaments in Salt Lake City (at either the Vivint SmartHome Arena where the NBA's Jazz play OR the Maverik Center where the ECHL hockey team plays in West Valley City). While the only negative might be a potential home court advantage for Weber State (since Ogden is only 45 miles away), it's a fairly easy place to get to by car from most cities that have BSC schools and SLC offers nonstop flights to every BSC city (except Greeley and Moscow).

 

[coyote]

Watching women's game at half. Bands battling it out with no one in the stands.


Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

 

[ilovethecats]

Funny. Watching the Big12 Tourney in Kansas City, Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State....TONS of people in the stands....

That must be false since they are playing at a neutral site.

no, it's true. because the big 12 is a great conference. there was a lot of people at the big 10 tourney in new York too. the acc and big east have also been great. these are big time conferences with amazing fan support. as i'm sure most of you know...this is not the big sky....

we have other issues in this conference so they really need to stop overthinking this and get back to the basics. the regular season champ should host the tourney. every. single. year.

thrown in the top 6 teams, give the top 2 teams a bye. sure, there will be years where our teams are in a high school gym in Portland or California or something. these cases are rare and if you hate it...don't let them win the conference!

the other years it will be in decent enough facilities with pretty awesome fan support. let these teams win in front of their fans. rush the court. dance together. have some fun on espn. get a little taste of march basketball.

of course i'm an msu basketball fan so what the fuck do I know about conference championships....

 

[BelierPeaux]

One thing that is mentioned over and over is that this tourney format was selected so teams could make their travel arrangements earlier and save money. While that sounds great, I call BS. The case against that is that UM didn't fly in until yesterday. So, are you telling me that knowing well in advance that UM gambled on having a first round bye and planned to fly in on the first day of games? The earliest they could have done that was a few weeks before the tournament and I doubt they saved any money at that point. It's all a load of crap.

 

[Ursa Major]

For all you people whining about the attendance at the BSC tourney, you are truly part of the problem. You can be there supporting the Griz if you feel so strongly but you seem to be content to whine and complain. Get to Reno and support the Griz if you feel so stongly. Until then, the tourney is in Reno and next year Boise. You constant complaining of the venue and the efforts to give the players a chance of a championship and taste of tournament action is taking the focus off the teams that worked so hard for 4 months.

I'll be there next year.

No way was I going to support the reNO disaster.

You are not supporting Reno, you are supporting the Griz....

When an organization provides a product that nobody buys, it is probably time to change the product or learn to market the product in a different way.

My X didn't sell, people are stupid!

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

One thing that is mentioned over and over is that this tourney format was selected so teams could make their travel arrangements earlier and save money. While that sounds great, I call BS. The case against that is that UM didn't fly in until yesterday. So, are you telling me that knowing well in advance that UM gambled on having a first round bye and planned to fly in on the first day of games? The earliest they could have done that was a few weeks before the tournament and I doubt they saved any money at that point. It's all a load of crap.

You are right. Purchasing flexible tickets months early is no cheaper than purchasing flexible tickets a couple weeks prior.