The real issue with Hauck isn't player misbehavior...

[SoldierGriz]

Excellent post! You really do get it!

The post is wrong in almost every major point the poster tried to make. The poster doesn't understand UM or Griz football, and appears to be living in his own fantasy world. Like you, he doesn't get it.

PR, you are wearing blinders. Haucks hiring will cause a shit show. The media will be all over it bringing up all the negatives. That's what the media does. The University does not need this. Puts
Bodnar in awkward situation as he will want to get the support of the community. This will not help him. Him pushing back at the media will be a bad move.

What media? The minimum wagers at the Missoulian have this power? The "journalism" students at the Kaimin? The "Fair, Accurate, To the Pointers" at KPAX? Who? Gwen Florio?

Point is, our "media" is supposed to report ("Getting the Facts Right"). What we end up with (the shit show, in your words) is sensationalism disguised as reporting so these idiots (Gwen Florio) can make a name for themselves.

BINGO!

 

[Yossarian3345]

Again, what facts were wrong?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Again, what facts were wrong?

What facts do you have. List them. You have to pay attention, or I will work my ass off to get you band.

 

[jtgriz2]

What media? The minimum wagers at the Missoulian have this power? The "journalism" students at the Kaimin? The "Fair, Accurate, To the Pointers" at KPAX? Who? Gwen Florio?

Point is, our "media" is supposed to report ("Getting the Facts Right"). What we end up with (the shit show, in your words) is sensationalism disguised as reporting so these idiots (Gwen Florio) can make a name for themselves.

Please point to what the Kaimin/Missoulian got wrong. Be specific. I'll wait.

Don't just say "MEDIA BAD!" and put journalism in quotes like some sort of MAGA code.

Show your work.

Why was asking Hauck to comment to get his side of things unfair?

Hauck did not see the media as good for his players. To preface my below statement below, I am a true moderate so don’t play political card...

“If led by the media you are misled”

Just how I feel

 

[Yossarian3345]

Again, what facts were wrong?

What facts do you have. List them. You have to pay attention, or I will work my ass off to get you band.

Every story written by the Kaimin or Missoulian was supported by court records, or in the case of the fight involving Trumaine Johnson, multiple witness accounts on the record.

It seems it's not the facts you're quibbling with, but the fact that they came to light at all.

 

[PlayerRep]

The post is wrong in almost every major point the poster tried to make. The poster doesn't understand UM or Griz football, and appears to be living in his own fantasy world. Like you, he doesn't get it.

I'm a UM graduate and I played Griz football for two seasons before injury (and a lack of talent) steered me toward other interests. I love the program dearly, and am weary of tough guy apologists like yourself telling me that the behavior of the head coach doesn't matter, that the media is BAD BAD BAD for merely asking questions about how he was going to handle their behavior. Adults deal with crises in a calm, mature manner instead of blaming others.

One of the Kaimin reporters Hauck screamed at for asking simple questions about why Tim Parks was still on the team after hitting his girlfriend in the head with the butt of a gun now covers the LA Lakers for the OC Register. The reporter who asked Hauck what the status was of two players who were in an off-campus fight and not starting, and was screamed at during a presser "I'm not answering your questions!" now covers the Oregon Ducks for the Oregonian. They've done just fine in their profession, and been successful at a higher level than Hauck was when he tried to go up a level. At no point was any member of the student newspaper ever seen as having handled themselves as anything other than a professional, Hauck simple did not like being challenged.

The Missoulian, in my opinion, unfairly lumped the sexual assault claim against the international exchange student in with the various sexual assault claims against Donaldson and Johnson. That attempt to create a "culture of chaos" at UM narrative struck me as entirely unfair, since I'm not sure how Hauck or the athletic department should be accountable for any decisions made by the administration. While Jimmy Wilson was charged with murder, I think it's also unfair to continue to used what happened in his situation as any kind of evidence he was a bad person since it seems clear, morally and legally, he was justified in killing a piece of shit who he felt was likely going to kill his mom and sister.

The Missoulian was not unfair, in my opinion, in writing about what happened with Coleman, Shelton and Pate, all of whom were Hauck's players and all of whom did participate in an armed robbery where they duck tapped a woman's mouth shut, her arms behind her back, beat her and her boyfriend with a pistol, and held a Tech 9 to their heads while they stole various drugs. The idea that Hauck bore no responsibility for what Coleman did is a curious one since he had previous assault charges prior to him coming to UM. Of a police officer!

I'm willing to listen to the argument that Hauck may be wiser and more at peace with who he is, able to handle the complexities of the job. He may even be a good fundraiser, which is why I suspect the old moneymen are pushing to hard for his return.

But he is an average football coach. Better than Stitt maybe, but that is not saying much. The comment about longing to date your old high school girlfriend was spot on. He had five seasons at UNLV to show us his coaching ability. UNLV may be a dumpster fire of an athletic program, but he was less successful there than Mick Dennehy was at Utah State or Glenn was at Wyoming, and they're both dumpster fire programs and no one is clambering for their return.

Note sure I believe you, but whatever.

I weary of posters like you who just make up stuff and attribute things to other posters that they didn't say. I weary of posters like yourself who make up stuff about coaches and other people. That indicates to me that the posters are biased and an agenda, and are unable to defend what they.

Where did anyone say the "behavior of the head coach doesn't matter"? You just plain made that up. Of course, it does. Name any big things about Hauck's behavior that you thought was a big problem. You mentioned the Kaimin reporter thing; I disagree with you on that.

Okay, are you just a Kaimin supporter. By the way, I felt some of the Kaimin reporters were very unprofessional. They acted little dicks, in my view.

Agree with your 3d paragraph.

Generally okay with reporting of house burglary. Don't think you got all the facts correct, tho. Did a player have the gun? One of the players wasn't even in the house. In any event, those guys never played a down for UM again, and they were kicked off the team. My recollection is that the player punishments were pretty modest. I have consistently said that the house burglary was bad. The media did not run 100's of stories about that incident, like they did with the sexual assault stuff.

And, Hauck had zero sexual assault stuff when he was at UM, or least not there I ever saw. Again, none.

You are willing to listen about Hauck? Jeez, do some checking. The UNLV sports reporter like him. Others have posted that he didn't have any significant issues at UNLV, nor did he with his recruits at SDS. I hope you don't think people don't mature, learn, know more, grow, change in a decade of their lives.

Hauck is not an average football coach? He was a very good coach at UM. What he did in his 7 years at UM was absolutely unbelievable. While there are former players that don't like Bobby, virtually all of them agree that he was a good coach. No one, including former USC and NFL coach John Robinson, has been able to do well at UNLV. Are you saying that Glenn was a mediocre coach too, because he didn't kick ass at Wyo?

No one is clambering for Dennehy's return, because he doesn't coach anymore, he wasn't as successful at UM as Hauck was, and presumably those in the know don't think he was as good of a coach.

Sorry, but some of what you say doesn't sound at all like a former UM football player, or even a former football player. Just doesn't smell right to me. At least, you know how to write a sentence.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Again, what facts were wrong?

What facts do you have. List them. You have to pay attention, or I will work my ass off to get you band.

Every story written by the Kaimin or Missoulian was supported by court records, or in the case of the fight involving Trumaine Johnson, multiple witness accounts on the record.

It seems it's not the facts you're quibbling with, but the fact that they came to light at all.

Follow their and your "facts" to the end. What conclusions do you draw? Pay attention.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, what facts were wrong?

What facts do you have. List them. You have to pay attention, or I will work my ass off to get you band.

Every story written by the Kaimin or Missoulian was supported by court records, or in the case of the fight involving Trumaine Johnson, multiple witness accounts on the record.

It seems it's not the facts you're quibbling with, but the fact that they came to light at all.

My gripe with the Kaimin was more about the stuff they chose to say, or their attitude. On the Johnson stuff, I know a lot more about the facts than the Kaimin ever did, and much of what they said was wrong, because the mother of the kid who was involved was my secretary and very good friend at the time. I knew about the incident the next Monday. I advised the parents/dad to call Bobby to tell him. I seem to recall that the Kaimin dissed the dad. Uncalled for, wrong, and part of the immaturity of some reporters at times. My recollection is that one (drunk) witness is the only witness regarding the fight. Did you know there were 3 separate phases of the incident? Of course, you don't. Neither did the Kaimin reporter. I had additional information because I know both Tru and Swink, and talked to them about the incident. Do you know realize that the kid didn't go to the cops, because he knew he had been part of the problem? Hat's off to the kid. He was a stand-up kid in the situation.

I don't quibble with anything. My main gripe is with the Missoulian and Florio, their biased coverage of sexual assault stuff, and their obsession with dissing Griz athletes. Also, the Missoulian printed rumors and incorrect information, in my view. Do you support the Kaimin's recent article on Hauck? Mistakes. Important omissions. Misleading parts. Discussing things that occurred 2 years after Hauck went to UNLV. Even by the low Missoulian standards, that article was especially bad.

Again, I can see that you are mainly a Kaimin supporter or apologist. Former Griz football player. Good one. Ha ha.

 

[Yossarian3345]

Sorry, but some of what you say doesn't sound at all like a former UM football player, or even a former football player. Just doesn't smell right to me. At least, you know how to write a sentence.

You can thank my UM education for that. Also, it might surprise you that football players are a diverse group. Plenty of the guys I played with dislike Hauck, though he came well after our era.

Also, what would be the point of lying about it?

I was a bad college football player. Two career tackles. Mostly 3rd string. Did tackle a Sac State running back for a 2-yard loss on Homecoming. Believe we were up 52-10 or something when I got in. That was about the highlight of my career. If I was going to lie about something, at least I'd make myself a better player. Still love the program. Still think Hauck is a step backward. Hope I'm proven wrong, as he's clearly going to be the pick.

 

[Catsrgrood]

Excellent post! You really do get it!

The post is wrong in almost every major point the poster tried to make. The poster doesn't understand UM or Griz football, and appears to be living in his own fantasy world. Like you, he doesn't get it.

In this world you’ve created for yourself, is anyone allowed an opinion? This is a damn good post with good points. Maybe you don’t agree with them, but they’re valid. But instead of saying you don’t agree, you simply tell him nope, he’s wrong.

He is wrong. He is wrong in almost everything he has said. I provided explanation. He's welcome to express his opinion. It's a free country. He gets to say what he wants, and I get to say what I want. Telling someone they are wrong doesn't = telling them they can't express their opinion.

Okay, why don't you pick out "good point", and you and I can discuss it?

I know better than to go down the rabbit hole even further than I have already on this one. I agree with pretty much every point made by the op, so I guess I could just copy and paste the whole post again for you.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that's why we're all here giving our 2 cents on something that doesn't concern us in any substantial way in the whole scheme of things. I've read enough of your posts to know that there is rarely a "discussion", it is more like arguing with a brick wall, any point brought up, good, bad or indifferent is most often met with a "Nope. You're wrong." Not worth any more time than I've already put in to it.

You're obviously passionate about all of this and have a fair amount of knowledge on it. Your mind is made up and that's that.

 

[PlayerRep]

Sorry, but some of what you say doesn't sound at all like a former UM football player, or even a former football player. Just doesn't smell right to me. At least, you know how to write a sentence.

You can thank my UM education for that. Also, it might surprise you that football players are a diverse group. Plenty of the guys I played with dislike Hauck, though he came well after our era.

Also, what would be the point of lying about it?

I was a bad college football player. Two career tackles. Mostly 3rd string. Did tackle a Sac State running back for a 2-yard loss on Homecoming. Believe we were up 52-10 or something when I got in. That was about the highlight of my career. If I was going to lie about something, at least I'd make myself a better player. Still love the program. Still think Hauck is a step backward. Hope I'm proven wrong, as he's clearly going to be the pick.

Ha, ha. Sure, I don't understand football players. People lie on the internet all the time, sometimes to try to hide their biases and agenda.

I'm fine with you not wanting or liking Hauck, but I don't like people who make up some of their "facts" and make up what others posters said.

Who was your coach?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Sorry, but some of what you say doesn't sound at all like a former UM football player, or even a former football player. Just doesn't smell right to me. At least, you know how to write a sentence.

You can thank my UM education for that. Also, it might surprise you that football players are a diverse group. Plenty of the guys I played with dislike Hauck, though he came well after our era.

Also, what would be the point of lying about it?

I was a bad college football player. Two career tackles. Mostly 3rd string. Did tackle a Sac State running back for a 2-yard loss on Homecoming. Believe we were up 52-10 or something when I got in. That was about the highlight of my career. If I was going to lie about something, at least I'd make myself a better player. Still love the program. Still think Hauck is a step backward. Hope I'm proven wrong, as he's clearly going to be the pick.

Ha, ha. Sure, I don't understand football players. People lie on the internet all the time, sometimes to try to hide their biases and agenda.

I'm fine with you not wanting or liking Hauck, but I don't like people who make up some of their "facts" and make up what others posters said.

Who was your coach?

Or....don't think for themselves...

 

[Yossarian3345]

Reed and Dennehy.

 

[Yossarian3345]

Or....don't think for themselves...

I don't really give a crap if you don't like or believe me, but I don't have any time for this MAGA bullshit that suggests any media I don't like is lying, you're all soft anti-football lemmings, etc.

I've done a lot of research on this and been more than willing to hear out Hauck sycophants. My opinions are my own. I thought Krakauer's book was totally one-sided, for example.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Or....don't think for themselves...

I don't really give a crap if you don't like or believe me, but I don't have any time for this MAGA bullshit that suggests any media I don't like is lying, you're all soft anti-football lemmings, etc.

I've done a lot of research on this and been more than willing to hear out Hauck sycophants. My opinions are my own. I thought Krakauer's book was totally one-sided, for example.

You've not done enough research. You're close to being band. Too bad really, I started to like your grit.

 

[ordigger]

Reed and Dennehy.

A little strange you can't spell the name of your coach.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, what facts were wrong?

What facts do you have. List them. You have to pay attention, or I will work my ass off to get you band.

Every story written by the Kaimin or Missoulian was supported by court records, or in the case of the fight involving Trumaine Johnson, multiple witness accounts on the record.

It seems it's not the facts you're quibbling with, but the fact that they came to light at all.

Again, this is BS. The Kaimin didn't have multiple witness accounts on the record. They had one kid, who was supposedly completely drunk. Let's see all the on-record witness accounts, Mr. Kaimin.

 

[PlayerRep]

Reed and Dennehy.

A little strange you can't spell the name of your coach.

Oops, you caught him there. I figured he was lying.

He said he played only 2 years, for those 2 coaches. So, he would have played in 1995 and 1996.

"Two career tackles. Mostly 3rd string. Did tackle a Sac State running back for a 2-yard loss on Homecoming. Believe we were up 52-10 or something when I got in."

UM played Sac St only in 1996. 35-17 victory. And it was a road game, so not UM's homecoming game. He said he got his only 2 career tackles. The only player getting 2 tackles in that game was Greg Fitzgerald, a junior who had many tackles in his career. Of the 7 players having 3 or 1 tackle in the game, all had multiple tackles in other games, and I think only one was a sophomore. See below link.

http://www.gogriz.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=486

I think Yossarian's story is crumbling. Ya, why would anyone lie? Because he's a former Kaimin reporter, perhaps, masquerading as someone else?

 

[Grisette]

Excellent post

 

[Grisette]

Excellent post