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The Problem with Ivy Athletics, and Reason not in Playoffs

ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some ivy leaguers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to follow in their parents footsteps. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, and going to an Ivy is that much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for attending an Ivy League school.

"Integrity - If mom and dad say you have it then you have it. Along with a personal check, the required enrollment application is sure to be whisked into the right hands and rubber stamped because of the applicants last name and legacy standing. Really not that much different at any school such as being a 3rd generation Griz football player, you get preference over somebody attending the school for the first time. Integrity happens everywhere we just dont feel the need to lie about it like the Harvard and Fartmouths of the world.

Excellence - If mommy and daddy have old money and a corporation handed down to them by the people that really built the company up to present day standards, then and only then can graduates have the playing field leveled so they can strive for excellence in all of their endeavors.

Community - Its a country club and just like that club at any level you need to have a current "member" rubber stamp your application. Ivies strive to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff because they are usually our sons, daughters and relatives.

Individuality - Ivies are so into individuality that they often march to the beat of their own drummer and rarely join frats or clubs like skull & bones. They are so much better than that kind of pigeonholing.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, as long as they fit in with the insiders that work day and night to keep peasants out of their exclusive club. Ivies believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of pulling the wool over the common mans eyes. They work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated as long as your bank account is in good standing.

From AG News this spring:

"For the twenty fifth year in a row, Fartmouth earned the top spot for “Coming in 7th of 8 Ivy League Universitys, pulling out of Columbia and coming up Brown. A.G. News & World Report’s “Laughable Mommy & Daddy Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Fartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to fleecing world leaders for their progeny enrollment and tuition. For the previous two years, Fartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Fartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to placing lips on the tar stars of those who can elevate us to a pinnacle only found in our own minds, is second to none. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this jock sniffing and infringement of privacy, our greatest asset,” says President Heywood J Ablowme ’77."

:roll:

:jack:




:coffee:

Post of the year. No contest. Over in March of this year. Gonna be slow the rest of the year unless we care who gets second place.
 
grizatwork said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some ivy leaguers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to follow in their parents footsteps. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, and going to an Ivy is that much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for attending an Ivy League school.

"Integrity - If mom and dad say you have it then you have it. Along with a personal check, the required enrollment application is sure to be whisked into the right hands and rubber stamped because of the applicants last name and legacy standing. Really not that much different at any school such as being a 3rd generation Griz football player, you get preference over somebody attending the school for the first time. Integrity happens everywhere we just dont feel the need to lie about it like the Harvard and Fartmouths of the world.

Excellence - If mommy and daddy have old money and a corporation handed down to them by the people that really built the company up to present day standards, then and only then can graduates have the playing field leveled so they can strive for excellence in all of their endeavors.

Community - Its a country club and just like that club at any level you need to have a current "member" rubber stamp your application. Ivies strive to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff because they are usually our sons, daughters and relatives.

Individuality - Ivies are so into individuality that they often march to the beat of their own drummer and rarely join frats or clubs like skull & bones. They are so much better than that kind of pigeonholing.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, as long as they fit in with the insiders that work day and night to keep peasants out of their exclusive club. Ivies believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of pulling the wool over the common mans eyes. They work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated as long as your bank account is in good standing.

From AG News this spring:

"For the twenty fifth year in a row, Fartmouth earned the top spot for “Coming in 7th of 8 Ivy League Universitys, pulling out of Columbia and coming up Brown. A.G. News & World Report’s “Laughable Mommy & Daddy Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Fartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to fleecing world leaders for their progeny enrollment and tuition. For the previous two years, Fartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Fartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to placing lips on the tar stars of those who can elevate us to a pinnacle only found in our own minds, is second to none. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this jock sniffing and infringement of privacy, our greatest asset,” says President Heywood J Ablowme ’77."

:roll:

:jack:




:coffee:

Post of the year. No contest. Over in March of this year. Gonna be slow the rest of the year unless we care who gets second place.

Leave it to grizatwork to prove my point about ignorant posts on egriz.
 
Maybe Fartmouth should concentrate on honing a sense of humor when they crank out the cookie cutter products they do.......if that's ok with mommy and daddy.

#fartmouthcantlaughatitselflikeeveryoneelsedoes


:coffee:
 
Well I guess Alpha is right. A sense of humor must not be important for an Ivy education. Guess PR is still holding a grudge because I dared to have a difference of opinion from him. Sorry to hear that. I have no animosity toward you PR. I can disagree without calling someone names. I learned that in kindergarten. I didn't have to go to college for that.
 
grizatwork said:
Well I guess Alpha is right. A sense of humor must not be important for an Ivy education. Guess PR is still holding a grudge because I dared to have a difference of opinion from him. Sorry to hear that. I have no animosity toward you PR. I can disagree without calling someone names. I learned that in kindergarten. I didn't have to go to call for that.

You are the one who should work on the sense of humor. Jeez, I even said "ha", but you apparently didn't understand. It's funny that you fall apart and start whining when someone points out that you're wrong or disagrees with your opinion. By the way, what "name" did I call you?
 
PlayerRep said:
grizatwork said:
Well I guess Alpha is right. A sense of humor must not be important for an Ivy education. Guess PR is still holding a grudge because I dared to have a difference of opinion from him. Sorry to hear that. I have no animosity toward you PR. I can disagree without calling someone names. I learned that in kindergarten. I didn't have to go to call for that.

You are the one who should work on the sense of humor. Jeez, I even said "ha", but you apparently didn't understand. It's funny that you fall apart and start whining when someone points out that you're wrong or disagrees with your opinion. By the way, what "name" did I call you?

Not whining at all. I appreciate a good joke. I guess you just called my post ignorant. I should not come to the conclusion that therefore I am ignorant. HA!
 
Reading over these posts it's easy to see the people that went to a good college and those that wish they could have. People that make fun of an ivy education are just jealous because they couldn't get into one of those schools. They are prestigious and there is a good reason they are consistently rated high on list of great colleges. I see the resident idiot is the one commenting the most but nobody cares what he thinks, he just talks a lot of gobbledygook trying to validate himself but smart posters know who the garbage is.
 
grizatwork said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some ivy leaguers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to follow in their parents footsteps. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, and going to an Ivy is that much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for attending an Ivy League school.

"Integrity - If mom and dad say you have it then you have it. Along with a personal check, the required enrollment application is sure to be whisked into the right hands and rubber stamped because of the applicants last name and legacy standing. Really not that much different at any school such as being a 3rd generation Griz football player, you get preference over somebody attending the school for the first time. Integrity happens everywhere we just dont feel the need to lie about it like the Harvard and Fartmouths of the world.

Excellence - If mommy and daddy have old money and a corporation handed down to them by the people that really built the company up to present day standards, then and only then can graduates have the playing field leveled so they can strive for excellence in all of their endeavors.

Community - Its a country club and just like that club at any level you need to have a current "member" rubber stamp your application. Ivies strive to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff because they are usually our sons, daughters and relatives.

Individuality - Ivies are so into individuality that they often march to the beat of their own drummer and rarely join frats or clubs like skull & bones. They are so much better than that kind of pigeonholing.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, as long as they fit in with the insiders that work day and night to keep peasants out of their exclusive club. Ivies believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of pulling the wool over the common mans eyes. They work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated as long as your bank account is in good standing.

From AG News this spring:

"For the twenty fifth year in a row, Fartmouth earned the top spot for “Coming in 7th of 8 Ivy League Universitys, pulling out of Columbia and coming up Brown. A.G. News & World Report’s “Laughable Mommy & Daddy Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Fartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to fleecing world leaders for their progeny enrollment and tuition. For the previous two years, Fartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Fartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to placing lips on the tar stars of those who can elevate us to a pinnacle only found in our own minds, is second to none. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this jock sniffing and infringement of privacy, our greatest asset,” says President Heywood J Ablowme ’77."

:roll:

:jack:




:coffee:

Post of the year. No contest. Over in March of this year. Gonna be slow the rest of the year unless we care who gets second place.

I said in my original post that if I'd had the opportunity, I would have loved to have gone to an
Ivy League school. I didn't have the money or the brains. Having said that, I will agree that AG's post was one of the funniest things that I've ever read on E-Griz. Ivy League or not AG definitely got his money's worth for his education.
 
There was nothing funny about alphas usual racist diatribe and insults, besides this sight is for Griz football and not attacking a group of prestigious colleges. Alpha couldn't get a job at any ivy league school as a janitor. He is just jealous he wasn't smart enough to get into any college. Dad always told me the people that attack others for whatever reason are just hiding their own faults and that is on display here. His kind of poppycock shouldn't be allowed to foster on this sight.
 
Big G said:
There was nothing funny about alphas usual racist diatribe and insults, besides this sight is for Griz football and not attacking a group of prestigious colleges. Alpha couldn't get a job at any ivy league school as a janitor. He is just jealous he wasn't smart enough to get into any college. Dad always told me the people that attack others for whatever reason are just hiding their own faults and that is on display here. His kind of poppycock shouldn't be allowed to foster on this sight.
Racist?
Jesus, I even left my comment about Jamal Ginsberg the hasidic homeboy out of the paragraph about diversity and inclusiveness.

You are a tough crowd G............and now I am already over your stupid comments. Must be getting used to them.

:coffee:
 
knhoj said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
It had to happen sooner than later but Urinal finally has a post that is correct and doesn't make her look like a disoriented women who just left a kitchen.

Except that she obviously doesn't know the definition of "secondary" education.

Secondary education is "second." I understand that the term is referred to mostly for high schools. But in a global perspective...not in our fucked up system, secondary often times refers to the beginning of ones pursuit towards a career. Yes the ages of secondary education in places like Germany relate to that of high school in our system but in the case of Germany for example their "secondary" education or "high school" can be better compared to the first 2 years of our college system.

So to put it simply. I know EXACTLY what "secondary" education means. And when I referred to it as a joke I am including both our high school and college systems. They aren't so separated you know.
 
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
"Ivy league schools are overrated, state schools produce just as much talent!"

This is an argument that has been beaten to death and literally makes the people arguing it look retarded.

Does anyone really even use most of the information learned in traditional schooling anymore? Secondary education is a joke in this country and all the information received in the classes that you spend thousands on can be found on the internet. All secondary education does anymore is provide you with a resume builder as well as connections. THAT is why people that attend Ivy league schools get better jobs than state schools not because the Ivy league schools teach SPECIAL INFORMATION.

Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some egrizzers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to think critically and on excellence. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, but the going to an Ivy is much much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for Dartmouth's Tuck school of business. Dartmouth, in particular, focuses on undergrad education and teaching, and continues to be the no. 1 rated school in the nation for this focus. See quote below.

"Integrity - Personal integrity and accepting responsibility for one’s actions are the cornerstones of leadership. Through our policies, actions, and teaching, we foster a high level of integrity among all our students, faculty, and staff.

Excellence - By setting high standards for our programs, ourselves as individuals, and for our organization, we strive for excellence in all our endeavors.

Community - People work and learn most effectively through teamwork and within a supportive community. Tuck strives to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff.

Individuality - We honor and value each person in our community as an individual, a commitment that is supported by our small scale.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, and we believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of educating future business leaders. We work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated, and we do not tolerate discrimination."

From US News last fall:

"For the fifth year in a row, Dartmouth earned the top spot for “Strong Commitment to Teaching” and remains in the top 10 among national universities in U.S. News & World Report’s “Best Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Dartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to undergraduate teaching. For the previous two years, Dartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Dartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to educating future leaders across all disciplines who are able to have a real impact on the world’s most pressing challenges. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this, our greatest asset,” says President Philip J. Hanlon ’77."


So you further proved my point that the characteristics that ivy league schools teach aren't taught in the classroom. Thanks.

People don't go to college for knowledge. They go for life lessons and connections and a resume builder. That's basically what I said...
 
Big G said:
Reading over these posts it's easy to see the people that went to a good college and those that wish they could have. People that make fun of an ivy education are just jealous because they couldn't get into one of those schools. They are prestigious and there is a good reason they are consistently rated high on list of great colleges. I see the resident idiot is the one commenting the most but nobody cares what he thinks, he just talks a lot of gobbledygook trying to validate himself but smart posters know who the garbage is.


I make fun of an ivy education and I was accepting into Harvard and Stanford. Just fwiw.
 
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
"Ivy league schools are overrated, state schools produce just as much talent!"

This is an argument that has been beaten to death and literally makes the people arguing it look retarded.

Does anyone really even use most of the information learned in traditional schooling anymore? Secondary education is a joke in this country and all the information received in the classes that you spend thousands on can be found on the internet. All secondary education does anymore is provide you with a resume builder as well as connections. THAT is why people that attend Ivy league schools get better jobs than state schools not because the Ivy league schools teach SPECIAL INFORMATION.

Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some egrizzers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to think critically and on excellence. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, but the going to an Ivy is much much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for Dartmouth's Tuck school of business. Dartmouth, in particular, focuses on undergrad education and teaching, and continues to be the no. 1 rated school in the nation for this focus. See quote below.

"Integrity - Personal integrity and accepting responsibility for one’s actions are the cornerstones of leadership. Through our policies, actions, and teaching, we foster a high level of integrity among all our students, faculty, and staff.

Excellence - By setting high standards for our programs, ourselves as individuals, and for our organization, we strive for excellence in all our endeavors.

Community - People work and learn most effectively through teamwork and within a supportive community. Tuck strives to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff.

Individuality - We honor and value each person in our community as an individual, a commitment that is supported by our small scale.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, and we believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of educating future business leaders. We work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated, and we do not tolerate discrimination."

From US News last fall:

"For the fifth year in a row, Dartmouth earned the top spot for “Strong Commitment to Teaching” and remains in the top 10 among national universities in U.S. News & World Report’s “Best Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Dartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to undergraduate teaching. For the previous two years, Dartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Dartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to educating future leaders across all disciplines who are able to have a real impact on the world’s most pressing challenges. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this, our greatest asset,” says President Philip J. Hanlon ’77."


So you further proved my point that the characteristics that ivy league schools teach aren't taught in the classroom. Thanks.

People don't go to college for knowledge. They go for life lessons and connections and a resume builder. That's basically what I said...
UH, but aren't you "attacking' him? Frankly, Anyone who get through a major university deserves to pat themselves on the back, no matter what. I was fortunate to have played at Oklahoma, studied at Montana, and fake my way st Stanford...and, in the end, we all end up the same....Can this thread run 17 pages? Had I the opportunity to do it over, I'd choose Hawaii and Chicago...not necessarily in that order.
 
GrizLA said:
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
"Ivy league schools are overrated, state schools produce just as much talent!"

This is an argument that has been beaten to death and literally makes the people arguing it look retarded.

Does anyone really even use most of the information learned in traditional schooling anymore? Secondary education is a joke in this country and all the information received in the classes that you spend thousands on can be found on the internet. All secondary education does anymore is provide you with a resume builder as well as connections. THAT is why people that attend Ivy league schools get better jobs than state schools not because the Ivy league schools teach SPECIAL INFORMATION.

Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some egrizzers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to think critically and on excellence. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, but the going to an Ivy is much much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for Dartmouth's Tuck school of business. Dartmouth, in particular, focuses on undergrad education and teaching, and continues to be the no. 1 rated school in the nation for this focus. See quote below.

"Integrity - Personal integrity and accepting responsibility for one’s actions are the cornerstones of leadership. Through our policies, actions, and teaching, we foster a high level of integrity among all our students, faculty, and staff.

Excellence - By setting high standards for our programs, ourselves as individuals, and for our organization, we strive for excellence in all our endeavors.

Community - People work and learn most effectively through teamwork and within a supportive community. Tuck strives to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff.

Individuality - We honor and value each person in our community as an individual, a commitment that is supported by our small scale.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, and we believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of educating future business leaders. We work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated, and we do not tolerate discrimination."

From US News last fall:

"For the fifth year in a row, Dartmouth earned the top spot for “Strong Commitment to Teaching” and remains in the top 10 among national universities in U.S. News & World Report’s “Best Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Dartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to undergraduate teaching. For the previous two years, Dartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Dartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to educating future leaders across all disciplines who are able to have a real impact on the world’s most pressing challenges. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this, our greatest asset,” says President Philip J. Hanlon ’77."


So you further proved my point that the characteristics that ivy league schools teach aren't taught in the classroom. Thanks.

People don't go to college for knowledge. They go for life lessons and connections and a resume builder. That's basically what I said...
UH, but aren't you "attacking' him? Frankly, Anyone who get through a major university deserves to pat themselves on the back, no matter what. I was fortunate to have played at Oklahoma, studied at Montana, and fake my way st Stanford...and, in the end, we all end up the same....Can this thread run 17 pages? Had I the opportunity to do it over, I'd choose Hawaii and Chicago...not necessarily in that order.

I'm attacking the argument that ivy graduates are better educated. In today's day and age that's just simply not true. There existed a time when professors held vast knowledge and to unlock that knowledge you had to study under them or read their work. That day is in the past. All the work is posted online and sure if you want to study specifically what one professor has to teach that's grand but you're only hurting yourself to the vast amounts of information available. Ivy League professors are top notch but that doesn't mean they hold the keys to information anymore.

I personally have no idea what player rep is arguing but that's my argument and I agree that anyone who got through any college deserves to pat themselves on the back but I would be willing to bet that the snobbish ivy attitude that some people have, such as playerrep, would quickly deteriorate if we compared iqs
 
Eriul said:
GrizLA said:
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some egrizzers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to think critically and on excellence. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, but the going to an Ivy is much much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for Dartmouth's Tuck school of business. Dartmouth, in particular, focuses on undergrad education and teaching, and continues to be the no. 1 rated school in the nation for this focus. See quote below.

"Integrity - Personal integrity and accepting responsibility for one’s actions are the cornerstones of leadership. Through our policies, actions, and teaching, we foster a high level of integrity among all our students, faculty, and staff.

Excellence - By setting high standards for our programs, ourselves as individuals, and for our organization, we strive for excellence in all our endeavors.

Community - People work and learn most effectively through teamwork and within a supportive community. Tuck strives to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff.

Individuality - We honor and value each person in our community as an individual, a commitment that is supported by our small scale.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, and we believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of educating future business leaders. We work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated, and we do not tolerate discrimination."

From US News last fall:

"For the fifth year in a row, Dartmouth earned the top spot for “Strong Commitment to Teaching” and remains in the top 10 among national universities in U.S. News & World Report’s “Best Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Dartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to undergraduate teaching. For the previous two years, Dartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Dartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to educating future leaders across all disciplines who are able to have a real impact on the world’s most pressing challenges. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this, our greatest asset,” says President Philip J. Hanlon ’77."


So you further proved my point that the characteristics that ivy league schools teach aren't taught in the classroom. Thanks.

People don't go to college for knowledge. They go for life lessons and connections and a resume builder. That's basically what I said...
UH, but aren't you "attacking' him? Frankly, Anyone who get through a major university deserves to pat themselves on the back, no matter what. I was fortunate to have played at Oklahoma, studied at Montana, and fake my way st Stanford...and, in the end, we all end up the same....Can this thread run 17 pages? Had I the opportunity to do it over, I'd choose Hawaii and Chicago...not necessarily in that order.

I'm attacking the argument that ivy graduates are better educated. In today's day and age that's just simply not true. There existed a time when professors held vast knowledge and to unlock that knowledge you had to study under them or read their work. That day is in the past. All the work is posted online and sure if you want to study specifically what one professor has to teach that's grand but you're only hurting yourself to the vast amounts of information available. Ivy League professors are top notch but that doesn't mean they hold the keys to information anymore.

I personally have no idea what player rep is arguing but that's my argument and I agree that anyone who got through any college deserves to pat themselves on the back but I would be willing to bet that the snobbish ivy attitude that some people have, such as playerrep, would quickly deteriorate if we compared iqs

You don't understand an Ivy education is why you can't make accurate statements on it. Feel free to point out any snobbish ivy attitude statements I've made. Use quotes.
 
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