The Problem with Ivy Athletics, and Reason not in Playoffs

[putter]

it is all ego. The IVY's used to say it was the time away that hurt their academics but they sure don't mind participating in March Madness. To them basketball is on the big stage because their conference winner in basketball gets to play on the biggest stage. The FCS to them is nothing and even a NC is no big deal so they thumb their noses at the division

 

[argh!]

gawd, not this ivy league crap again. you'll never measure up to us light blues, greenie. get over it.

 

[cody45051]

There's more intelligence on one ivy league football team than all egriz members put together. Suck my ba!ls.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The only thing the Ivy League is better at than normal universities is having mommy and daddy set their kids up in a fail safe situation. Most students need to work through the university they choose and continue working throughout their lives.

Simply not the case in 99% of Ivy league situations, when you are in it's social welfare at its highest.

 

[signedbewildered]

I have a confession to make. I actually watched a couple episodes of this "survivor" tv show. This season there are three groups, braun, beauty and brains. The "Brains" group is nuclear engineers, econophysics, statisticians and what not. Long story short....they are idiots and dropping like flies. They can barely tie their own shoes let alone work together to build a shelter or solve a simple puzzle. They are better than that I guess. Why in the world would they have to learn to tie their own shoes? That's all.

 

[PlayerRep]

The only thing the Ivy League is better at than normal universities is having mommy and daddy set their kids up in a fail safe situation. Most students need to work through the university they choose and continue working throughout their lives.

Simply not the case in 99% of Ivy league situations, when you are in it's social welfare at its highest.

And producing US presidents, Supreme Court Justices, CEO's of the Fortune 500, leaders of the business and financial world, etc. Harvard's endowment is over $30 Billion. Yale and Princeton's are a bit undr $20 Billion.

 

[GrizLA]

The only thing the Ivy League is better at than normal universities is having mommy and daddy set their kids up in a fail safe situation. Most students need to work through the university they choose and continue working throughout their lives.

Simply not the case in 99% of Ivy league situations, when you are in it's social welfare at its highest.

And producing US presidents, Supreme Court Justices, CEO's of the Fortune 500, leaders of the business and financial world, etc. Harvard's endowment is over $30 Billion. Yale and Princeton's are a bit undr $20 Billion.

The Ivy League and it's East Coast cousins have, indeed, produced all that, and, yet, this country is not doing well. Maybe, it is time to look for leaders elsewhere, where elitism, cronyism, and arrogance are not the linchpin holding the "special folks" together and churning out obscene endowments while the cities and towns they are in are stuggling to keep schools open. It won't happen, of course. Power tends to be generational and not something that shifts at its base very often.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

The only thing the Ivy League is better at than normal universities is having mommy and daddy set their kids up in a fail safe situation. Most students need to work through the university they choose and continue working throughout their lives.

Simply not the case in 99% of Ivy league situations, when you are in it's social welfare at its highest.

And producing US presidents, Supreme Court Justices, CEO's of the Fortune 500, leaders of the business and financial world, etc. Harvard's endowment is over $30 Billion. Yale and Princeton's are a bit undr $20 Billion.

The Ivy League and it's East Coast cousins have, indeed, produced all that, and, yet, this country is not doing well. Maybe, it is time to look for leaders elsewhere, where elitism, cronyism, and arrogance are not the linchpin holding the "special folks" together and churning out obscene endowments while the cities and towns they are in are stuggling to keep schools open. It won't happen, of course. Power tends to be generational and not something that shifts at its base very often.

I won't lie. If I had a chance at an Ivy League education, I'd take it. But the truth is that top public university graduates have been out producing their Ivy peers for years. Do you really think that UC Berkley, UCLA,Texas, Michigan or Virginia graduates aren't at the level of their Ivy peers? Get real!

 

[GrizLA]

The only thing the Ivy League is better at than normal universities is having mommy and daddy set their kids up in a fail safe situation. Most students need to work through the university they choose and continue working throughout their lives.

Simply not the case in 99% of Ivy league situations, when you are in it's social welfare at its highest.

And producing US presidents, Supreme Court Justices, CEO's of the Fortune 500, leaders of the business and financial world, etc. Harvard's endowment is over $30 Billion. Yale and Princeton's are a bit undr $20 Billion.

The Ivy League and it's East Coast cousins have, indeed, produced all that, and, yet, this country is not doing well. Maybe, it is time to look for leaders elsewhere, where elitism, cronyism, and arrogance are not the linchpin holding the "special folks" together and churning out obscene endowments while the cities and towns they are in are stuggling to keep schools open. It won't happen, of course. Power tends to be generational and not something that shifts at its base very often.

I won't lie. If I had a chance at an Ivy League education, I'd take it. But the truth is that top public university graduates have been out producing their Ivy peers for years. Do you really think that UC Berkley, UCLA,Texas, Michigan or Virginia graduates aren't at the level of their Ivy peers? Get real!

Actually I DO think that. That is the point of my post. I wish we could put a moratorium on the Ivy League connections in our government. They have not done so well, it is obvious. In medicine and science, they are leaders. In government and administration, not so much.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The only thing the Ivy League is better at than normal universities is having mommy and daddy set their kids up in a fail safe situation. Most students need to work through the university they choose and continue working throughout their lives.

Simply not the case in 99% of Ivy league situations, when you are in it's social welfare at its highest.

And producing US presidents, Supreme Court Justices, CEO's of the Fortune 500, leaders of the business and financial world, etc. Harvard's endowment is over $30 Billion. Yale and Princeton's are a bit undr $20 Billion.

Exactly, all were appointed not earned.

 

[PlayerRep]

The only thing the Ivy League is better at than normal universities is having mommy and daddy set their kids up in a fail safe situation. Most students need to work through the university they choose and continue working throughout their lives.

Simply not the case in 99% of Ivy league situations, when you are in it's social welfare at its highest.

And producing US presidents, Supreme Court Justices, CEO's of the Fortune 500, leaders of the business and financial world, etc. Harvard's endowment is over $30 Billion. Yale and Princeton's are a bit undr $20 Billion.

The Ivy League and it's East Coast cousins have, indeed, produced all that, and, yet, this country is not doing well. Maybe, it is time to look for leaders elsewhere, where elitism, cronyism, and arrogance are not the linchpin holding the "special folks" together and churning out obscene endowments while the cities and towns they are in are stuggling to keep schools open. It won't happen, of course. Power tends to be generational and not something that shifts at its base very often.

I won't lie. If I had a chance at an Ivy League education, I'd take it. But the truth is that top public university graduates have been out producing their Ivy peers for years. Do you really think that UC Berkley, UCLA,Texas, Michigan or Virginia graduates aren't at the level of their Ivy peers? Get real!

Supreme Court Justices: Harvard 19, Yale 10, Columbia 7, Michigan 2, UCLA 0, Texas 1, Berkeley 1, Virigina 2.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Like I said it's appointed not earned.

The country would a lot better off if a few Seung Hui Chos would enroll at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Brown, Cornell, and Fartmouth.

A good purging would help get rid of the nepotism and money buys prestige attitude that runs rampant in that "club"

 

[CV Griz Fan]

And producing US presidents, Supreme Court Justices, CEO's of the Fortune 500, leaders of the business and financial world, etc. Harvard's endowment is over $30 Billion. Yale and Princeton's are a bit undr $20 Billion.

The Ivy League and it's East Coast cousins have, indeed, produced all that, and, yet, this country is not doing well. Maybe, it is time to look for leaders elsewhere, where elitism, cronyism, and arrogance are not the linchpin holding the "special folks" together and churning out obscene endowments while the cities and towns they are in are stuggling to keep schools open. It won't happen, of course. Power tends to be generational and not something that shifts at its base very often.

I won't lie. If I had a chance at an Ivy League education, I'd take it. But the truth is that top public university graduates have been out producing their Ivy peers for years. Do you really think that UC Berkley, UCLA,Texas, Michigan or Virginia graduates aren't at the level of their Ivy peers? Get real!

Supreme Court Justices: Harvard 19, Yale 10, Columbia 7, Michigan 2, UCLA 0, Texas 1, Berkeley 1, Virigina 2.

Ok. Good point. Graduate degrees are a little different. Let's try Nobel winners(not Peace Prize) plus Fields Medal winners by undergraduate institution. These winners actually got a degree from the university listed. No research Professor affiliations etc.

Harvard- 21
Columbia- 16
U of Chicago- 13
MIT- 11
UC Berkley- 11
Yale- 11
Cal Tech- 8
Cornell- 5
Swathmore- 5
UCLA - 5
Illinois-5
Michigan-5
Amherst-4
Carnegie Mellon-3
Case Western U- 3
Dartmouth-3
Princeton-3
Penn-3
Rochester-3
Washington-3
Wisconsin-3

I'll give you Harvard and Columbia. However, state schools are closing the gap considerably.
Many top state schools are equal to or better than the rest of the Ivy League in terms of producing Nobel/ Fields Medal winners.

 

[PlayerRep]

Yes, there are lots of good public universities. Terrific educations can be obtained at many public schools. However, it is undeniable that the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, etc. produce an inordinate number of top graduates.

Here are some business stats, in particular schools Fortune 500 CEO's:

Below is a list of the 13 schools that awarded at least 10 degrees to Fortune 500 CEOs:

Harvard University
Stanford University
University of Pennsylvania
Columbia University
University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
University of Notre Dame
University of Virginia
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey
Indiana University—Bloomington
Northwestern University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

From a different list, again, Harvard is at the top, with 25 CEO's. Stanford 11. Penn 8. MIT 7. Cornell, Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia and Yale 6.

The Ivies have small undergraduate enrollment too.

Dartmouth - 4200
Princeton - 5100
Yale - 5300
Brown - 6300
Columbia - 7100
Harvard 7200
Penn 10,300
Cornell 13,900

 

[Eriul]

"Ivy league schools are overrated, state schools produce just as much talent!"

This is an argument that has been beaten to death and literally makes the people arguing it look retarded.

Does anyone really even use most of the information learned in traditional schooling anymore? Secondary education is a joke in this country and all the information received in the classes that you spend thousands on can be found on the internet. All secondary education does anymore is provide you with a resume builder as well as connections. THAT is why people that attend Ivy league schools get better jobs than state schools not because the Ivy league schools teach SPECIAL INFORMATION.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It had to happen sooner than later but Urinal finally has a post that is correct and doesn't make her look like a disoriented women who just left a kitchen.

 

[PlayerRep]

"Ivy league schools are overrated, state schools produce just as much talent!"

This is an argument that has been beaten to death and literally makes the people arguing it look retarded.

Does anyone really even use most of the information learned in traditional schooling anymore? Secondary education is a joke in this country and all the information received in the classes that you spend thousands on can be found on the internet. All secondary education does anymore is provide you with a resume builder as well as connections. THAT is why people that attend Ivy league schools get better jobs than state schools not because the Ivy league schools teach SPECIAL INFORMATION.

Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some egrizzers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to think critically and on excellence. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, but the going to an Ivy is much much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for Dartmouth's Tuck school of business. Dartmouth, in particular, focuses on undergrad education and teaching, and continues to be the no. 1 rated school in the nation for this focus. See quote below.

"Integrity - Personal integrity and accepting responsibility for one’s actions are the cornerstones of leadership. Through our policies, actions, and teaching, we foster a high level of integrity among all our students, faculty, and staff.

Excellence - By setting high standards for our programs, ourselves as individuals, and for our organization, we strive for excellence in all our endeavors.

Community - People work and learn most effectively through teamwork and within a supportive community. Tuck strives to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff.

Individuality - We honor and value each person in our community as an individual, a commitment that is supported by our small scale.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, and we believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of educating future business leaders. We work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated, and we do not tolerate discrimination."

From US News last fall:

"For the fifth year in a row, Dartmouth earned the top spot for “Strong Commitment to Teaching” and remains in the top 10 among national universities in U.S. News & World Report’s “Best Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Dartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to undergraduate teaching. For the previous two years, Dartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Dartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to educating future leaders across all disciplines who are able to have a real impact on the world’s most pressing challenges. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this, our greatest asset,” says President Philip J. Hanlon ’77."

 

[knhoj]

It had to happen sooner than later but Urinal finally has a post that is correct and doesn't make her look like a disoriented women who just left a kitchen.

Except that she obviously doesn't know the definition of "secondary" education.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It had to happen sooner than later but Urinal finally has a post that is correct and doesn't make her look like a disoriented women who just left a kitchen.

Except that she obviously doesn't know the definition of "secondary" education.

I disagree, she knows nothing but second.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Ignorant statements are forcing me to continue to try to educate some ivy leaguers. Ha. The Ivies don't just teach things that can be found on the internet. Much of the focus is on teaching people how to follow in their parents footsteps. Leadership is also a focus, as is preparing for further degrees. Connections are great in the Ivies, and going to an Ivy is that much more than that. Below is a list of general principles for attending an Ivy League school.

"Integrity - If mom and dad say you have it then you have it. Along with a personal check, the required enrollment application is sure to be whisked into the right hands and rubber stamped because of the applicants last name and legacy standing. Really not that much different at any school such as being a 3rd generation Griz football player, you get preference over somebody attending the school for the first time. Integrity happens everywhere we just dont feel the need to lie about it like the Harvard and Fartmouths of the world.

Excellence - If mommy and daddy have old money and a corporation handed down to them by the people that really built the company up to present day standards, then and only then can graduates have the playing field leveled so they can strive for excellence in all of their endeavors.

Community - Its a country club and just like that club at any level you need to have a current "member" rubber stamp your application. Ivies strive to foster a sense of community among all our students, alumni, faculty, and staff because they are usually our sons, daughters and relatives.

Individuality - Ivies are so into individuality that they often march to the beat of their own drummer and rarely join frats or clubs like skull & bones. They are so much better than that kind of pigeonholing.

Diversity and Inclusiveness - Everyone in our community benefits from diversity of cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities, as long as they fit in with the insiders that work day and night to keep peasants out of their exclusive club. Ivies believe that this diversity is essential to our overall mission of pulling the wool over the common mans eyes. They work to create an environment in which the value of diversity and inclusiveness is understood and celebrated as long as your bank account is in good standing.

From AG News this spring:

"For the twenty fifth year in a row, Fartmouth earned the top spot for “Coming in 7th of 8 Ivy League Universitys, pulling out of Columbia and coming up Brown. A.G. News & World Report’s “Laughable Mommy & Daddy Colleges 2014″ ranking, the magazine announced today.

This year, Fartmouth holds the No. 1 teaching spot exclusively among national universities cited for exceptional faculty commitment to fleecing world leaders for their progeny enrollment and tuition. For the previous two years, Fartmouth and Princeton shared the first-place ranking.

“The rankings confirm what we know to be a genuine strength for Fartmouth—our faculty’s commitment to placing lips on the tar stars of those who can elevate us to a pinnacle only found in our own minds, is second to none. We will continue to innovate in our development of distinctive programs that build on this jock sniffing and infringement of privacy, our greatest asset,” says President Heywood J Ablowme ’77."

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