The odds that Delany stays beyond this season.

[garizzalies]

i think we're talking about the same thing. My understanding is you buy out a contract if you don't have a basis (or don't want to reveal your basis) for terminating (i.e., Pflu). I'm saying we DO have a basis for terminating Delaney = his horrible coaching. That is what he was hired to do and he has failed. Part of his job description should be that he kicks off only once per game. If an employee does something incredibly stupid on the job, do you think they should be bought out or fired? In my mind, if you don't agree with an employee's approach, even tho they are getting results, you buy them out. But if they suck at what they do, you fire them.

 

[wbtfg]

Have to buy it out either way.,

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[bluemarlin2]

100 percent

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Why would anybody question whether he will be back or not. Geez, he's 8-15 :clap:

 

['68griz]

Mick is a great man doing the best he can. He did not ask for this gig. He took over a busted mess to the glee of some Griz haters.

He could have said, "no."

 

[garizzalies]

Have to buy it out either way.

why? His contract requires a buyout even when terminated for cause? That's f'n crazy and maybe the only thing dumber than kicking off twice or setting up a PN punt return.

 

[Silvertip]

I just don't want to see us get the cart before the horse...you fire Engstrom THEN you deal with Delaney.
I don't want to see Ol' Royce hire anymore people in the athletic department. He's already screwed up enough...(You know of course, a new GOP governor might not be beholden to the Schweitzer BOR picks who have hung their credibility on the Engstrom hire) Just say'in...

 

[wbtfg]

Have to buy it out either way.

why? His contract requires a buyout even when terminated for cause? That's f'n crazy and maybe the only thing dumber than kicking off twice or setting up a PN punt return.

Of course it does....What would be the point of a coach signing a multi-year contract if the school can terminate whenever they want without any sort of buyout?

Just like if Delaney went undefeated this year and was hired at UNLV to replace Hauck. UM would be entitled to a buyout because the contract was broken.

 

[greasewood]

I'd say 100% since after we win the next 4 regular season games, get the last seed into the playoffs, win 3 road games & then the NC everyone will love him. We'll all say "It got a little rough there didn't it? Sure glad I stuck it out & didn't abandon the Griz when times were bad earlier this year."

 

[garizzalies]

What would be the point of a coach signing a multi-year contract if the school can terminate whenever they want without any sort of buyout?

I'm not talking about terminating a coach "whenever they want." I'm talking about terminating a coach for cause. Huge difference; but i'm not familiar with Delaney's contract as you seem to be. If Kramer gets fired over his latest stunt, do you think he will get a buyout?

 

[mcg]

What would be the point of a coach signing a multi-year contract if the school can terminate whenever they want without any sort of buyout?

I'm not talking about terminating a coach "whenever they want." I'm talking about terminating a coach for cause. Huge difference; but i'm not familiar with Delaney's contract as you seem to be. If Kramer gets fired over his latest stunt, do you think he will get a buyout?

The 'for cause' aspect of coaching contracts always seemed odd to me as the most likely reason to fire a coach is not winning enough games, which is 'for cause'. Yet the intent of these contracts seems to be to allow for payment upon dismissal (e.g. Hawkins, Dan).

Having said this, I wonder if there is any intent for Coach D to coach next year and the extra year is his severance money. The conventional wisdom is that a coach can't recruit in the final year of his contract, thus Mick goes down the road with an extra $150k (or whatever the actual amount is) for his trouble.

 

[whiskeytango]

I'd say 100% since after we win the next 4 regular season games, get the last seed into the playoffs, win 3 road games & then the NC everyone will love him. We'll all say "It got a little rough there didn't it? Sure glad I stuck it out & didn't abandon the Griz when times were bad earlier this year."

Dreamy, dreamy. I can only hope it turns out like this. Should we continue to flounder like we are, he's GOT TO GO.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

What would be the point of a coach signing a multi-year contract if the school can terminate whenever they want without any sort of buyout?

I'm not talking about terminating a coach "whenever they want." I'm talking about terminating a coach for cause. Huge difference; but i'm not familiar with Delaney's contract as you seem to be. If Kramer gets fired over his latest stunt, do you think he will get a buyout?

The 'for cause' aspect of coaching contracts always seemed odd to me as the most likely reason to fire a coach is not winning enough games, which is 'for cause'. Yet the intent of these contracts seems to be to allow for payment upon dismissal (e.g. Hawkins, Dan).

Having said this, I wonder if there is any intent for Coach D to coach next year and the extra year is his severance money. The conventional wisdom is that a coach can't recruit in the final year of his contract, thus Mick goes down the road with an extra $150k (or whatever the actual amount is) for his trouble.

Conventional wisdom says that "a coach can't recruit during the final year of his contract? How dare you say that! That would mean that Coach Delaney is a "lame duck". Be careful, some posters would take offense to that term.

 

[wbtfg]

What would be the point of a coach signing a multi-year contract if the school can terminate whenever they want without any sort of buyout?

I'm not talking about terminating a coach "whenever they want." I'm talking about terminating a coach for cause. Huge difference; but i'm not familiar with Delaney's contract as you seem to be. If Kramer gets fired over his latest stunt, do you think he will get a buyout?

Depends on whats in his contract. If you violate some sort of behavior/ethics clause (Petrino) or are deemed to be abusing players (kramer), theres generally something in the contract that would trump a buyout. Generally win/loss record is not included in that.

Its like ARod for the yankees right now. Hes an average to below average third baseman, but theyre still going to have to pay him the $100 mil hes still due, even though he cant hit a softball.

UM and Delaney entered into a contract by which they are both bound to abide.

 

[RABIDAWG]

As others on here have already said, neither Delaney or Engstrom is going anywhere. The new AD is in his honeymoon period, so he isn't going to go to Engstrom to try and convince him that Delaney was a bad hire and that Mick should go. The BOR has Engstrom's back, so there you have it.

As much as I hate to say it, I kind of hope Delaney decides one year is enough, and gives Engstrom enough notice that a search for his successor can be done in a timely manner.

Please don't go sticking freaking For Sale signs in his yard, that is as low class as one can get. Whatever your feelings are about his coaching, leave it at that. He is a fine man, has a great family, and I truly like the guy. :twocents:

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