The last time a top QB came into WGS...

[Geddes]

Yes the Bobcat TEAM was disapointing in the semi-final games.

More mythical Bobcat games?

 

[EverettGriz]

Except that the 3 he named were all FCS QBs.


DM is a terrific QB. Of that there is little doubt. Where he's open to criticism is his inability (so far) to win big games.

The Bobcat TEAM hasn't won a semi-final game during his tenure but they have won a big games. I don't think you can say one player is responisble for losing those semi-final games or any game. Football is a TEAM sport! The Griz have lost some big games in JJ's tenure. Are you saying he lost them? I would say your TEAM lost them. Just say'in!

So, you're "just say'in" that the entire cat team is unable to win a big game?? :lol:

Listen. Like it or not, all QBs are measured by how they play in big games. And whether you like it or not, DM has been a disappointment in most if not all of them. Is it all his fault? Of course not. But it comes with the territory. Once you stick your hands under you center's buttocks, you get the praise and the glory for wins, and the criticism for losses. DM's glaring weakness (again, so far) is his inability to win big games.

Yes the Bobcat TEAM was disapointing in the semi-final games. They have won other big games. The same goes for JJ. I guess you're saying JJs glaring weakness so far is his inability to win big games. I have seen plenty of games where the QB doesn't get the glory for wins or wasn't a big factor. Plenty of RBs have got the glory for wins. Defenses have got the glory for wins. The bottom line is it is the team. In any event, when you put up the numbers he has, you are a top QB!

It goes deeper than just semifinal games. Big games also include your rival at home in the final game of the season for the conference championship when you're the #1 team in the country. It's beating FBS teams you should beat. It's beating ewoo on the road (can he do that this year). Yes, he won at WaGriz last year, but it's safe to say other that wasn't a big game given the Griz record.

I think most cat fans would agree with me on this point: DM's black mark is his struggles in big games. I don't care if you agree or nto.

 

[Dannyboy03867]

When did the Cats play these so called semifinal games?? I was under the impression that they haven't made it past the Quarterfinals with DM?

 

[marceagfan5]

Thanks. At his Pro HOF induction, I hope Shoota will tell the story of how he got his nickname.

Haha, this made me laugh...

 

[jodcon]

Yes the Bobcat TEAM was disapointing in the semi-final games.

More mythical Bobcat games?

You can get Vintage plates in Montana for vehicles 30 years old, next year they can claim a Vintage appearance for their last semi-final game.

 

[nzone]

Personally I will be glad when DM is gone..... :cya: he's pretty good.

 

[JBS]

Fact: When your in a club of only 14 QBs in the history of the NCAA that has thrown for 10,000 yds and ran for over a 1000 yds you are a top QB. When there is no other current QB in the FCS that has acheived those numbers than you are the best in the FCS. You can try to twist it any way you want but overall, right now, he is the leader!

In the past three years since DM has been the QB, the Cats TEAM beat the Griz TEAM in two out of three of those years in your home stadium. DM didn't win those two games and JJ didn't win the game in Bozeman. The TEAMS won those games!

If I remember correctly, wasn't it the signal/call stealer who won that game for the Griz? Talk about excuses. That one was hands down the best excuse ever!!

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I think he meant BSC not FCS.


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Except that the 3 he named were all FCS QBs.


DM is a terrific QB. Of that there is little doubt. Where he's open to criticism is his inability (so far) to win big games.

The Bobcat TEAM hasn't won a semi-final game during his tenure but they have won big games. I don't think you can say one player is responisble for losing those semi-final games or any game. Football is a TEAM sport! The Griz have lost some big games in JJ's tenure. Are you saying he lost them? I would say your TEAM lost them. Just say'in!

MSU hasn't won a QUARTERFINAL game under McGhee. EWU has twice with 3 QBs in that time frame. :lol:

 

[get'em_griz]

Not smacking, but what I want to know is which games in the last 4 years have been BIG games that the Cats have won, including playoff games and regular season games?

These are the big games that I can recall that were losses:

2012 Playoff Quarterfinal - SHSU - Loss
2012 Regular Season - EWU - Loss
2011 Playoff Quarterfinal - SHSU - Loss
2011 Cat/Griz - Loss
2010 Playoffs First Round(?) - NDSU - Loss

There have been several big games that the Cats haven't performed well in. Are there any big games that have been won, but are drowned out by the poor performance in the losses?

 

[bigsky33]

The fact remains that DM is in an elite group of QBs in the history of the NCAA and no other team in the BSC can say that except former BSC team Idaho. It is a huge individual acheivement. All the BS on here about him winning big games doesn't mean a thing. TEAMS win or lose games. JJ hasn't won a big game either so I guess he must be as bad as you say DM is. I happen to think both are excellent.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The fact remains that DM is in an elite group of QBs in the history of the NCAA and no other team in the BSC can say that except former BSC team Idaho. It is a huge individual acheivement. All the BS on here about him winning big games doesn't mean a thing. TEAMS win or lose games. JJ hasn't won a big game either so I guess he must be as bad as you say DM is. I happen to think both are excellent.

The ol' Joe Montana versus Dan Marino argument, eh? For coming from a fan base that hates stat compilations so much, you are sure touting them now. :lol:

I'm just kidding. I will take you guys and your quarterback over that cesspool to the west of us any day.

 

[JBS]

The fact remains that DM is in an elite group of QBs in the history of the NCAA and no other team in the BSC can say that except former BSC team Idaho. It is a huge individual acheivement. All the BS on here about him winning big games doesn't mean a thing. TEAMS win or lose games. JJ hasn't won a big game either so I guess he must be as bad as you say DM is. I happen to think both are excellent.

No doubt, no doubt at all. He is certainly one of the elite college QBs in the entire history of the game. I can't imagine anyone arguing with that.

 

[Bear Axed]

Why is delirious even in this discussion?

He's not even in the top twenty best Qb's in the fcs this year? :shock:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/stat/1AA-indpasseff.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

*** 2013 NCAA FCS Individual Passing Efficiency Stats ***
(Complete through Saturday, October 19th)

From The Sports Network

PASSING EFFICIENCY (Minimum: 15 Attempts Per Game)

Rank Player G Att Comp CPct Int Yds TD Rating
1. Vernon Adams, Eastern Wash. 7 214 144 67.29 6 2189 24 184.6
2. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Ill. 7 291 194 66.67 6 2735 31 176.6
2. Quinn Epperly, Princeton 5 81 55 67.90 1 715 9 176.2
4. Michael Nebrich, Fordham 8 282 209 74.11 3 2587 21 173.6
5. Jordan Johnson, Montana 7 169 100 59.17 1 1564 18 170.9
6. Cody Stroud, McNeese St. 7 188 119 63.29 2 1711 17 167.5
7. Brian Bell, Sam Houston St. 7 128 74 57.81 5 1142 15 163.6
8. Mason Mills, San Diego 7 242 159 65.70 5 2161 19 162.5
9. Blake Winkler, Illinois St. 6 132 86 65.15 3 1183 8 155.9
10. Kurt Hess, Youngstown St. 8 189 114 60.32 3 1548 17 155.6
11. Trent Hurley, Delaware 7 185 121 65.40 6 1504 15 154.0
12. Andy Summerlin, Samford 7 232 144 62.07 4 2019 15 153.1
13. Marcus Wasilewski, Maine 7 211 143 67.77 6 1726 14 152.7
14. Bryan Bennett, Southeastern La. 7 153 98 64.05 6 1475 7 152.3
15. John Robertson, Villanova 7 149 109 73.15 3 1196 7 152.1
16. Brock Jensen, North Dakota St. 7 164 106 64.36 4 1256 13 150.2
17. Keiran McDonagh, Portland St. 7 179 98 54.75 9 1723 13 149.5
18. Jeff Mathews, Cornell 5 195 125 64.10 7 1667 12 149.0
19. Nick SanGiacomo, Central Conn. St. 6 120 71 59.17 5 1000 10 148.3
20. Dray Joseph, Southern U. 7 235 153 65.11 6 1918 14 148.2
21. Alex Ross, Coastal Caro. 7 196 127 64.79 6 1571 13 147.9
22. Josh Woodrum, Liberty 7 187 117 62.57 5 1559 11 146.7
23. Brandon Bialkowski, Lehigh 7 309 202 65.37 8 2473 18 146.6
24. Pete Pujals, Holy Cross 6 177 115 64.97 2 1294 12 146.5
24. Denarius McGhee, Montana St. 6 119 76 63.86 1 1037 4 146.5
26. John Russ, Mercer 7 140 70 50.00 3 1168 13 146.4
27. Matt Johnson, Charlotte 7 246 157 63.82 8 1860 19 146.3
28. Peter Athens, Towson 8 228 144 63.16 9 1981 11 144.2
29. Jacob Huesman, Chattanooga 7 141 95 67.37 4 950 11 144.0
30. Michael Birdsong, James Madison 7 197 122 61.93 8 1574 13 142.7
31. Kory Faulkner, Southern Ill. 8 255 154 60.39 4 1866 18 142.0
32. RJ Noel, Sacred Heart 8 208 114 54.81 3 1494 18 140.8
33. Chuckie Looney, Marist 7 226 125 55.31 4 1721 17 140.6
34. Sawyer Kollmorgen, UNI 7 182 110 60.44 4 1391 11 140.2
35. Lyle Negron, Stony Brook 6 168 106 63.09 4 1339 7 139.0
36. Eric Hoffman, Valparaiso 7 278 174 62.59 5 2013 16 138.8
37. Jerry Lovelocke, Prairie View 8 316 211 66.77 3 2184 15 138.6
38. Randy Wright, UC Davis 6 125 79 63.20 2 890 7 138.3
39. Maikhail Miller, Murray St. 8 253 173 68.38 8 1658 16 138.0


and he's running a weak 4th place in the Big Sky Conf?

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2013/stats/confldrs.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1. Vernon Adams-EWU SO 7 144 - 214 - 6 67.3 2189 24 63 184.6
2. Jordan Johnson-UM JR 7 100 - 169 - 1 59.2 1564 18 70 170.9
3. Kieran McDonagh-PSU SO 7 98 - 179 - 9 54.7 1723 13 81 149.5
4. DeNarius McGhee-MSU SR 6 76 - 119 - 1 63.9 1037 4 64 146.5
5. Wright, R.-UCD SR 6 79 - 125 - 2 63.2 890 7 41 138.3
6. Garrett Safron-SAC JR 8 173 - 276 - 9 62.7 1898 18 53 135.4
7. Seth Lobato-NC SR 6 115 - 211 - 5 54.5 1735 10 80 134.5
8. Justin Arias-ISU JR 7 200 - 346 - 7 57.8 2352 15 74 125.2
9. Joe Mollberg-UND FR 7 117 - 192 - 10 60.9 1393 5 73 120.1
10. Aaron Cantu-SUU JR 8 157 - 239 - 11 65.7 1449 8 54 118.5

 

[bigsky33]

Why is delirious even in this discussion?

He's not even in the top twenty best Qb's in the fcs this year? :shock:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/stat/1AA-indpasseff.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

*** 2013 NCAA FCS Individual Passing Efficiency Stats ***
(Complete through Saturday, October 19th)

From The Sports Network

PASSING EFFICIENCY (Minimum: 15 Attempts Per Game)

Rank Player G Att Comp CPct Int Yds TD Rating
1. Vernon Adams, Eastern Wash. 7 214 144 67.29 6 2189 24 184.6
2. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Ill. 7 291 194 66.67 6 2735 31 176.6
2. Quinn Epperly, Princeton 5 81 55 67.90 1 715 9 176.2
4. Michael Nebrich, Fordham 8 282 209 74.11 3 2587 21 173.6
5. Jordan Johnson, Montana 7 169 100 59.17 1 1564 18 170.9
6. Cody Stroud, McNeese St. 7 188 119 63.29 2 1711 17 167.5
7. Brian Bell, Sam Houston St. 7 128 74 57.81 5 1142 15 163.6
8. Mason Mills, San Diego 7 242 159 65.70 5 2161 19 162.5
9. Blake Winkler, Illinois St. 6 132 86 65.15 3 1183 8 155.9
10. Kurt Hess, Youngstown St. 8 189 114 60.32 3 1548 17 155.6
11. Trent Hurley, Delaware 7 185 121 65.40 6 1504 15 154.0
12. Andy Summerlin, Samford 7 232 144 62.07 4 2019 15 153.1
13. Marcus Wasilewski, Maine 7 211 143 67.77 6 1726 14 152.7
14. Bryan Bennett, Southeastern La. 7 153 98 64.05 6 1475 7 152.3
15. John Robertson, Villanova 7 149 109 73.15 3 1196 7 152.1
16. Brock Jensen, North Dakota St. 7 164 106 64.36 4 1256 13 150.2
17. Keiran McDonagh, Portland St. 7 179 98 54.75 9 1723 13 149.5
18. Jeff Mathews, Cornell 5 195 125 64.10 7 1667 12 149.0
19. Nick SanGiacomo, Central Conn. St. 6 120 71 59.17 5 1000 10 148.3
20. Dray Joseph, Southern U. 7 235 153 65.11 6 1918 14 148.2
21. Alex Ross, Coastal Caro. 7 196 127 64.79 6 1571 13 147.9
22. Josh Woodrum, Liberty 7 187 117 62.57 5 1559 11 146.7
23. Brandon Bialkowski, Lehigh 7 309 202 65.37 8 2473 18 146.6
24. Pete Pujals, Holy Cross 6 177 115 64.97 2 1294 12 146.5
24. Denarius McGhee, Montana St. 6 119 76 63.86 1 1037 4 146.5
26. John Russ, Mercer 7 140 70 50.00 3 1168 13 146.4
27. Matt Johnson, Charlotte 7 246 157 63.82 8 1860 19 146.3
28. Peter Athens, Towson 8 228 144 63.16 9 1981 11 144.2
29. Jacob Huesman, Chattanooga 7 141 95 67.37 4 950 11 144.0
30. Michael Birdsong, James Madison 7 197 122 61.93 8 1574 13 142.7
31. Kory Faulkner, Southern Ill. 8 255 154 60.39 4 1866 18 142.0
32. RJ Noel, Sacred Heart 8 208 114 54.81 3 1494 18 140.8
33. Chuckie Looney, Marist 7 226 125 55.31 4 1721 17 140.6
34. Sawyer Kollmorgen, UNI 7 182 110 60.44 4 1391 11 140.2
35. Lyle Negron, Stony Brook 6 168 106 63.09 4 1339 7 139.0
36. Eric Hoffman, Valparaiso 7 278 174 62.59 5 2013 16 138.8
37. Jerry Lovelocke, Prairie View 8 316 211 66.77 3 2184 15 138.6
38. Randy Wright, UC Davis 6 125 79 63.20 2 890 7 138.3
39. Maikhail Miller, Murray St. 8 253 173 68.38 8 1658 16 138.0


and he's running a weak 4th place in the Big Sky Conf?

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2013/stats/confldrs.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1. Vernon Adams-EWU SO 7 144 - 214 - 6 67.3 2189 24 63 184.6
2. Jordan Johnson-UM JR 7 100 - 169 - 1 59.2 1564 18 70 170.9
3. Kieran McDonagh-PSU SO 7 98 - 179 - 9 54.7 1723 13 81 149.5
4. DeNarius McGhee-MSU SR 6 76 - 119 - 1 63.9 1037 4 64 146.5
5. Wright, R.-UCD SR 6 79 - 125 - 2 63.2 890 7 41 138.3
6. Garrett Safron-SAC JR 8 173 - 276 - 9 62.7 1898 18 53 135.4
7. Seth Lobato-NC SR 6 115 - 211 - 5 54.5 1735 10 80 134.5
8. Justin Arias-ISU JR 7 200 - 346 - 7 57.8 2352 15 74 125.2
9. Joe Mollberg-UND FR 7 117 - 192 - 10 60.9 1393 5 73 120.1
10. Aaron Cantu-SUU JR 8 157 - 239 - 11 65.7 1449 8 54 118.5

I don't see any QB on your list that is in the elite club of the 14 QBs with 10,000 yd passing and 1,000 rushing in the history of the NCAA. Yes those on the list are doing good but over the course of a collegiate career do not measure up to DM. Some of them may someday. But, as of now-DM is on top.

 

[Bear Axed]

I don't see any QB on your list that is in the elite club of the 14 QBs with 10,000 yd passing and 1,000 rushing in the history of the NCAA. Yes those on the list are doing good but over the course of a collegiate career do not measure up to DM. Some of them may someday. But, as of now-DM is on top.

What happened to your belief that history has little to do with the present.

Presently Delirious is nothing more than an average to good QB with better men ahead of him at his same level and I posted the FACTS that prove it.

Who cares what he did last year or the couple of years before?
Will that win him any extra games this year? NOPE he'll still choke in a big game :thumb:

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Passing efficiency? A better stat is Points Responsible For.

One of you is talking a career and the other is arguing just this year, and he has been injured? Apples and Oranges. Without a doubt his individual stats over his career prove he is an elite QB


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[JBS]

Passing efficiency? A better stat is Points Responsible For.

One of you is talking a career and the other is arguing just this year, and he has been injured? Apples and Oranges. Without a doubt his individual stats over his career prove he is an elite QB


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Absolutely. One of the elites of all time college QBs. He is great, but the TEAM can't get very far in the playoffs. Kind of sucks for the TEAM.

 

[bigsky33]

The Bobcats are having a good year this year. They are undefeated in conference. That is what is important. DM will do whatever it takes to win games. He is not interested in stats. However, in his tenure at MSU he has achieved the stats that put him in an elite club. I have not said he is the best QB this year. However, in his career at MSU he is the best of any QB right now. What the TEAM does this year is still to be determined.

 

[Bear Axed]

The Bobcats are having a good year this year. They are undefeated in conference. That is what is important. DM will do whatever it takes to win games. He is not interested in stats. However, in his tenure at MSU he has achieved the stats that put him in an elite club. I have not said he is the best QB this year. However, in his career at MSU he is the best of any QB right now. What the TEAM does this year is still to be determined.

Yada yadda yadda that's all the same sh!t you kitties have spewed through the main part of each season the last three years. Right up until DM chokes in all the big games at the end of the season. Elite QB's win the big ones! DM loses them, hence he's far from elite.

 

[bigsky33]

I did notice that the QB for NAU isn't on any list and they beat the Griz pretty handily. Does that mean JJ is a loser? NO, he is a good QB. The team played a bad game. What does that game say about those lists? Nothing as they don't mean anything. It takes a TEAM to win or lose games. Because DM is not high on the list this year (maybe because he was out a few games with the injury) doesn't mean anything. His only loss this year was an fBS team by 1 point. No matter what you think of SMU, the Bobcats had better stats against them than Texas Tech. You guys touted your win at App St. but they they are 1-6.