The Joke that IS the Unbalanced Schedule

[PlayerRep]

... I was with you until the last para. When it's logically possible for a team to get an autobid as the strongest team out of the BSC without having to play the actual strongest 3-4 teams in the BSC, it can matter to one of those 3-4 teams that doesn't get an at-large. Not saying it has happened; just saying it can. Based on scheduling.

Not saying it can't happen, and can see it could be "theoretically" possible. But what's an answer? One might "demote" some western teams from D-I ... that's not gonna happen.

The only "logical" answer seems to be forming a new 1-AA conference with some split off Big Sky teams, plus some "regional" additions. But that's not going to happen unless the NCAA gives them an auto-bid, taking away an at-large bid. That would just knock out a "deserving" lower-rated team from ... somewhere. Or the NCAA could just expand the field even more (28? 32?), and I don't think any of us would want that.

Perhaps the conference should be disbanded and started over. Built all around football. Screw basketball, other sports and women’s sports.

Everyone has wanted to get rid of Sac St. let’s drop them. They are too good anyway.

Let’s get rid of Cal Poly and Davis. They bring up the conference academics too much. Cal Poly is the best and most fun road trip for fans. Screw the fans, and the wine. Also, who cares if the Griz recruit in CA. Screw the exposure. Screw the parents.

Let’s keep EWU. Low academics. But they seem to have earned their way in, in football and basketball.

Might have to keep Weber.

Who else?

 

[IdaGriz01]

... Perhaps the conference should be disbanded and started over. Built all around football. Screw basketball, other sports and women’s sports.

Everyone has wanted to get rid of Sac St. let’s drop them. They are too good anyway.

Let’s get rid of Cal Poly and Davis. They bring up the conference academics too much. Cal Poly is the best and most fun road trip for fans. Screw the fans, and the wine. Also, who cares if the Griz recruit in CA. Screw the exposure. Screw the parents.

Let’s keep EWU. Low academics. But they seem to have earned their way in, in football and basketball.

Might have to keep Weber.

Who else?

You forgot another "obvious" notion: Get rid of ISU or Idaho. Who needs two teams from Idaho? Luckily, Boise State already went elsewhere.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

... Perhaps the conference should be disbanded and started over. Built all around football. Screw basketball, other sports and women’s sports.

Everyone has wanted to get rid of Sac St. let’s drop them. They are too good anyway.

Let’s get rid of Cal Poly and Davis. They bring up the conference academics too much. Cal Poly is the best and most fun road trip for fans. Screw the fans, and the wine. Also, who cares if the Griz recruit in CA. Screw the exposure. Screw the parents.

Let’s keep EWU. Low academics. But they seem to have earned their way in, in football and basketball.

Might have to keep Weber.

Who else?

You forgot another "obvious" notion: Get rid of ISU or Idaho. Who needs two teams from Idaho? Luckily, Boise State already went elsewhere.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I thought of dropping them, but didn’t want to offend you. Plus, I like that they both have a lot of Montana coaches.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

... I was with you until the last para. When it's logically possible for a team to get an autobid as the strongest team out of the BSC without having to play the actual strongest 3-4 teams in the BSC, it can matter to one of those 3-4 teams that doesn't get an at-large. Not saying it has happened; just saying it can. Based on scheduling.

Not saying it can't happen, and can see it could be "theoretically" possible. But what's an answer? One might "demote" some western teams from D-I ... that's not gonna happen.

The only "logical" answer seems to be forming a new 1-AA conference with some split off Big Sky teams, plus some "regional" additions. But that's not going to happen unless the NCAA gives them an auto-bid, taking away an at-large bid. That would just knock out a "deserving" lower-rated team from ... somewhere. Or the NCAA could just expand the field even more (28? 32?), and I don't think any of us would want that.

Ha! It’s not the BSC’s problem where the “overages” “go”. Just gotta do what’s “best” for the “core” “members” instead of trying to be “everything” to “everyone” for some fractional “revenue”.

 

[AZGrizFan]

... I was with you until the last para. When it's logically possible for a team to get an autobid as the strongest team out of the BSC without having to play the actual strongest 3-4 teams in the BSC, it can matter to one of those 3-4 teams that doesn't get an at-large. Not saying it has happened; just saying it can. Based on scheduling.

Not saying it can't happen, and can see it could be "theoretically" possible. But what's an answer? One might "demote" some western teams from D-I ... that's not gonna happen.

The only "logical" answer seems to be forming a new 1-AA conference with some split off Big Sky teams, plus some "regional" additions. But that's not going to happen unless the NCAA gives them an auto-bid, taking away an at-large bid. That would just knock out a "deserving" lower-rated team from ... somewhere. Or the NCAA could just expand the field even more (28? 32?), and I don't think any of us would want that.

Perhaps the conference should be disbanded and started over. Built all around football. Screw basketball, other sports and women’s sports.

Everyone has wanted to get rid of Sac St. let’s drop them. They are too good anyway.

Let’s get rid of Cal Poly and Davis. They bring up the conference academics too much. Cal Poly is the best and most fun road trip for fans. Screw the fans, and the wine. Also, who cares if the Griz recruit in CA. Screw the exposure. Screw the parents.

Let’s keep EWU. Low academics. But they seem to have earned their way in, in football and basketball.

Might have to keep Weber.

Who else?

All great ideas. You forgot MSU. They need to be kicked to the curb.

 

[EverettGriz]

... I was with you until the last para. When it's logically possible for a team to get an autobid as the strongest team out of the BSC without having to play the actual strongest 3-4 teams in the BSC, it can matter to one of those 3-4 teams that doesn't get an at-large. Not saying it has happened; just saying it can. Based on scheduling.

Not saying it can't happen, and can see it could be "theoretically" possible. But what's an answer? One might "demote" some western teams from D-I ... that's not gonna happen.

The only "logical" answer seems to be forming a new 1-AA conference with some split off Big Sky teams, plus some "regional" additions. But that's not going to happen unless the NCAA gives them an auto-bid, taking away an at-large bid. That would just knock out a "deserving" lower-rated team from ... somewhere. Or the NCAA could just expand the field even more (28? 32?), and I don't think any of us would want that.

Perhaps the conference should be disbanded and started over. Built all around football. Screw basketball, other sports and women’s sports.

Everyone has wanted to get rid of Sac St. let’s drop them. They are too good anyway.

Let’s get rid of Cal Poly and Davis. They bring up the conference academics too much. Cal Poly is the best and most fun road trip for fans. Screw the fans, and the wine. Also, who cares if the Griz recruit in CA. Screw the exposure. Screw the parents.

Let’s keep EWU. Low academics. But they seem to have earned their way in, in football and basketball.

Might have to keep Weber.

Who else?

Basketball is the only thing that keeps this conference's nose above water. Do away with the NCAA tournament money and there IS no bsc.



Hey, you might be onto something after all!!!!

 

[Dillon]

Why does this matter so much to some of you? Teams in different conferences play different teams than UM does, and they get ranked and go to the playoffs. Yes, I understand that it's tougher to win the conference for a team that is playing more of the tougher teams. But, for me, going to the playoffs and beating the Cats is more important than winning the conference. And I'd rather play more of the tougher teams than the lower level teams.

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree 100%! :thumb:

 

[Grizbballfan14]

... I was with you until the last para. When it's logically possible for a team to get an autobid as the strongest team out of the BSC without having to play the actual strongest 3-4 teams in the BSC, it can matter to one of those 3-4 teams that doesn't get an at-large. Not saying it has happened; just saying it can. Based on scheduling.

Not saying it can't happen, and can see it could be "theoretically" possible. But what's an answer? One might "demote" some western teams from D-I ... that's not gonna happen.

The only "logical" answer seems to be forming a new 1-AA conference with some split off Big Sky teams, plus some "regional" additions. But that's not going to happen unless the NCAA gives them an auto-bid, taking away an at-large bid. That would just knock out a "deserving" lower-rated team from ... somewhere. Or the NCAA could just expand the field even more (28? 32?), and I don't think any of us would want that.

Perhaps the conference should be disbanded and started over. Built all around football. Screw basketball, other sports and women’s sports.

Everyone has wanted to get rid of Sac St. let’s drop them. They are too good anyway.

Let’s get rid of Cal Poly and Davis. They bring up the conference academics too much. Cal Poly is the best and most fun road trip for fans. Screw the fans, and the wine. Also, who cares if the Griz recruit in CA. Screw the exposure. Screw the parents.

Let’s keep EWU. Low academics. But they seem to have earned their way in, in football and basketball.

Might have to keep Weber.

Who else?

Basketball is the only thing that keeps this conference's nose above water. Do away with the NCAA tournament money and there IS no bsc.



Hey, you might be onto something after all!!!!

This is such an understated point. I think it might be keeping the NCAA afloat too. I read somewhere the march madness tournament accounts for about 90% of their annual revenue.

 

[grizindabox]

Why does this matter so much to some of you? Teams in different conferences play different teams than UM does, and they get ranked and go to the playoffs. Yes, I understand that it's tougher to win the conference for a team that is playing more of the tougher teams. But, for me, going to the playoffs and beating the Cats is more important than winning the conference. And I'd rather play more of the tougher teams than the lower level teams.

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree 100%! :thumb:

And if the conference size allowed a team to play every other team then whether you played the tougher or lower level teams wouldn't even be a thing.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Why does this matter so much to some of you? Teams in different conferences play different teams than UM does, and they get ranked and go to the playoffs. Yes, I understand that it's tougher to win the conference for a team that is playing more of the tougher teams. But, for me, going to the playoffs and beating the Cats is more important than winning the conference. And I'd rather play more of the tougher teams than the lower level teams.

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree 100%! :thumb:

And if the conference size allowed a team to play every other team then whether you played the tougher or lower level teams wouldn't even be a thing.

Exactly.

 

[PlayerRep]

Why does this matter so much to some of you? Teams in different conferences play different teams than UM does, and they get ranked and go to the playoffs. Yes, I understand that it's tougher to win the conference for a team that is playing more of the tougher teams. But, for me, going to the playoffs and beating the Cats is more important than winning the conference. And I'd rather play more of the tougher teams than the lower level teams.

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree 100%! :thumb:

And if the conference size allowed a team to play every other team then whether you played the tougher or lower level teams wouldn't even be a thing.

Exactly.

And some people don't think it's a thing worth worrying about or discussing now.

The SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 conferences don't play a balanced schedule or play all of the teams in the conference either. I can't imagine their fans whine about that as much as some Griz fans. They have a conference championship game, but that doesn't guarantee that the 2 best teams are in the championship. Often one division is stronger than much stronger than the other division.

 

[grizindabox]

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree 100%! :thumb:

And if the conference size allowed a team to play every other team then whether you played the tougher or lower level teams wouldn't even be a thing.

Exactly.

And some people don't think it's a thing worth worrying about or discussing now.

The SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 conferences don't play a balanced schedule or play all of the teams in the conference either. I can't imagine their fans whine about that as much as some Griz fans. They have a conference championship game, but that doesn't guarantee that the 2 best teams are in the championship. Often one division is stronger than much stronger than the other division.

Of course those conferences are split into divisions, and even if one division is stronger, there is a pretty good chance that whichever team wins that division will win the championship, but even if not, they get to decide on the field. So, a much better setup than what the BSC has, and I know, they can't even do it that way anyhow.

 

[PlayerRep]

And if the conference size allowed a team to play every other team then whether you played the tougher or lower level teams wouldn't even be a thing.

Exactly.

And some people don't think it's a thing worth worrying about or discussing now.

The SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 conferences don't play a balanced schedule or play all of the teams in the conference either. I can't imagine their fans whine about that as much as some Griz fans. They have a conference championship game, but that doesn't guarantee that the 2 best teams are in the championship. Often one division is stronger than much stronger than the other division.

Of course those conferences are split into divisions, and even if one division is stronger, there is a pretty good chance that whichever team wins that division will win the championship, but even if not, they get to decide on the field. So, a much better setup than what the BSC has, and I know, they can't even do it that way anyhow.

I think the top 2 or even 3 SEC teams are sometimes from the same division. LSU and Alabama, West, are nos. 1 and 2 in top 25. Florida and Georgia, East, are in top 10 too. Auburn, West, behind them at 11, with losses to Florida and LSU. Florida plays Georgia this weekend.

 

[grizindabox]

Exactly.

And some people don't think it's a thing worth worrying about or discussing now.

The SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 conferences don't play a balanced schedule or play all of the teams in the conference either. I can't imagine their fans whine about that as much as some Griz fans. They have a conference championship game, but that doesn't guarantee that the 2 best teams are in the championship. Often one division is stronger than much stronger than the other division.

Of course those conferences are split into divisions, and even if one division is stronger, there is a pretty good chance that whichever team wins that division will win the championship, but even if not, they get to decide on the field. So, a much better setup than what the BSC has, and I know, they can't even do it that way anyhow.

I think the top 2 or even 3 SEC teams are sometimes from the same division. LSU and Alabama, West, are nos. 1 and 2 in top 25. Florida and Georgia, East, are in top 10 too. Auburn, West, behind them at 11, with losses to Florida and LSU. Florida plays Georgia this weekend.

Even if that is the case, didn't whomever win that division play them? And then even if the other division winner is considered weaker, don't they play on the field to determine the Champ?

 

[Mousegriz]

And some people don't think it's a thing worth worrying about or discussing now.

The SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 conferences don't play a balanced schedule or play all of the teams in the conference either. I can't imagine their fans whine about that as much as some Griz fans. They have a conference championship game, but that doesn't guarantee that the 2 best teams are in the championship. Often one division is stronger than much stronger than the other division.

Of course those conferences are split into divisions, and even if one division is stronger, there is a pretty good chance that whichever team wins that division will win the championship, but even if not, they get to decide on the field. So, a much better setup than what the BSC has, and I know, they can't even do it that way anyhow.

I think the top 2 or even 3 SEC teams are sometimes from the same division. LSU and Alabama, West, are nos. 1 and 2 in top 25. Florida and Georgia, East, are in top 10 too. Auburn, West, behind them at 11, with losses to Florida and LSU. Florida plays Georgia this weekend.

Even if that is the case, didn't whomever win that division play them? And then even if the other division winner is considered weaker, don't they play on the field to determine the Champ?

Player Rep doesn't follow FBS. Griz beating the Cats and making the FCS playoffs are the only important things in college football.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I’m sure it’s been asked, but is there a conference at the FBS level with an unbalanced schedule and no conference championship game?

Follow up: If so, do the equivalents of Michigan/Ohio State in that conference ever have only two common opponents?

 

[mcg]

I’m sure it’s been asked, but is there a conference at the FBS level with an unbalanced schedule and no conference championship game?

Follow up: If so, do the equivalents of Michigan/Ohio State in that conference ever have only two common opponents?

I'm pretty sure the Big 12 for a few years had less than 12 members and played an unbalanced schedule with no championship game. Of course they didn't pick their schedule out of a goldfish bowl, so there's that.

 

[grizindabox]

I’m sure it’s been asked, but is there a conference at the FBS level with an unbalanced schedule and no conference championship game?

No

Follow up: If so, do the equivalents of Michigan/Ohio State in that conference ever have only two common opponents?

No, they use the 2 division model.

 

[PlayerRep]

Of course those conferences are split into divisions, and even if one division is stronger, there is a pretty good chance that whichever team wins that division will win the championship, but even if not, they get to decide on the field. So, a much better setup than what the BSC has, and I know, they can't even do it that way anyhow.

I think the top 2 or even 3 SEC teams are sometimes from the same division. LSU and Alabama, West, are nos. 1 and 2 in top 25. Florida and Georgia, East, are in top 10 too. Auburn, West, behind them at 11, with losses to Florida and LSU. Florida plays Georgia this weekend.

Even if that is the case, didn't whomever win that division play them? And then even if the other division winner is considered weaker, don't they play on the field to determine the Champ?

Player Rep doesn't follow FBS. Griz beating the Cats and making the FCS playoffs are the only important things in college football.

I don't follow FBS, but my son is an SEC expert. Goes to Georgia games frequently. Went to a game at Tennessee this year. Goes to college in the southeast. Our family follows Georgia. We go to Athens every 2 or 3 years for a game, and went to the 2018 Rose Bowl to see Georgia. But you are right. I follow mainly Montana and Dartmouth, and the FCS. I love the playoffs. I used to love going to Chattanooga. Staying at the team hotel for several days, and seeing all the mingling. Seeing and sometimes talking to the Payton Award finalists who often stayed at the same hotel.

Dartmouth beating Harvard and Princeton the next two weekends is important. I saw Dartmouth beat Yale a few weeks ago. Will be in Yankee stadium for the Princeton game in 2 weeks.

Do you mainly follow NAIA basketball?

 

[PlayerRep]

And some people don't think it's a thing worth worrying about or discussing now.

The SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 conferences don't play a balanced schedule or play all of the teams in the conference either. I can't imagine their fans whine about that as much as some Griz fans. They have a conference championship game, but that doesn't guarantee that the 2 best teams are in the championship. Often one division is stronger than much stronger than the other division.

Of course those conferences are split into divisions, and even if one division is stronger, there is a pretty good chance that whichever team wins that division will win the championship, but even if not, they get to decide on the field. So, a much better setup than what the BSC has, and I know, they can't even do it that way anyhow.

I think the top 2 or even 3 SEC teams are sometimes from the same division. LSU and Alabama, West, are nos. 1 and 2 in top 25. Florida and Georgia, East, are in top 10 too. Auburn, West, behind them at 11, with losses to Florida and LSU. Florida plays Georgia this weekend.

Even if that is the case, didn't whomever win that division play them? And then even if the other division winner is considered weaker, don't they play on the field to determine the Champ?

Not sure what you are trying to say, but often the 2 best SEC teams are not playing for the conference championship. Reason is unbalanced schedules.

I think it's funny that some of you think a conference championship from 2 divisions makes up for the unbalanced schedule thing. While it may improve things, but it sure doesn't solve the "non-problem".