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The Delaney Dilemma

grizpack said:
tnt said:
argh! said:
donovan was key in getting wagriz built.
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He ws indeed. He was also considered to be the guy who could really turn things aroud after a few years of MD's mentor Gene Carlson. He ws doing a pretty good job and was even considered by the pope for St. Hood., after leading Montana to BSC championship. Sent a coupla guys to the pros even. Then fo reasons no one will ever know, decided that we should become a run first team. Went so far as to change the entire offense. I Don't think anyone had had success with the wishbone in years. Neither did he, although he came grom Nebraska. That being said sacriledgous as it might be, I don't think Don Reads offense would fare much better today, In any event, He convinced Harley Lewis the reason his program went to hell was the stadium. They canned him anyway but did build the stadium. He had coupla of good years in the CFL befor bombing there too. I think he ended up coaching in Japan......
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If I remember correctly (and there was significant alcohol involved at the time), it was a desperate attempt at the very end of his tenure, and he blamed it on the types of kids in Montana, or something to that effect. True, he did start the push for Wa-Griz. But he was a first class ass.
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You remember correctly. Especially the first clsss ass part. It was all the kids and the stadium the reason.
 
What is our record the last 2 years against top 25 teams? How many losses do we have in WA Griz stadium the last 2 years (compared to Hauck and Phlu)? What is the worst Griz loss in the last 10-15 years? You cannot blame the players. Some are pointing fingers at the safeties but those same safeties performed quite well under Phlu. Despite some great players, we are sadly under performing. We got lucky against Cal Poly and quite frankly I think we were lucky to be close to EW. Had the EW receivers held on to the ball in the 4th qtr, that was a bigger loss.
 
Donovan and Lewis were supporters of a new stadium, but it was then-UM president Neil Bucklew who was the real playmaker. Without Bucklew Griz football might still be a perennial disaster struggling in front of four or five thousand splinter-endangered fans on South Higgins. Dennison came along after the heavy lifting was done. :coffee:
 
Silvertip said:
Donovan and Lewis were supporters of a new stadium, but it was then-UM president Neil Bucklew who was the real playmaker. Without Bucklew Griz football might still be a perennial disaster struggling in front of four or five thousand splinter-endangered fans on South Higgins. Dennison came along after the heavy lifting was done. :coffee:
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As others have stated, Donovan (and Dennis Washington discussed the stadium idea over drinks) started the ball rolling and Washington pledged some good money to get things going and at that point, Bucklew jumped on the bandwagon and drove it quite well.
 
NativeGriz said:
What is our record the last 2 years against top 25 teams? How many losses do we have in WA Griz stadium the last 2 years (compared to Hauck and Phlu)? What is the worst Griz loss in the last 10-15 years? You cannot blame the players. Some are pointing fingers at the safeties but those same safeties performed quite well under Phlu. Despite some great players, we are sadly under performing. We got lucky against Cal Poly and quite frankly I think we were lucky to be close to EW. Had the EW receivers held on to the ball in the 4th qtr, that was a bigger loss.
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Next to 2012 Our worst season was 2010, If you are talking just the Bigs Sky. Throw in Cal Poly however and 2010 was our worst year.

Worst Loss was 2008 to Weber State. (28 -45)

In 2005, we had two Big Sky losses also (Eastern and Msu) and then had our asses handed to us in the first round playoff game by Cal Poly. (21-35)

To me the hardest and worst year since 1985 however was 2003 when we lost to Idaho State We creamed Eastern and then Lost to the Cats. We also lost to a Division II school that year.......... (Granted it was NDSU but would be a number of years until they moved up)

But what was your point??
 
tnt said:
NativeGriz said:
What is our record the last 2 years against top 25 teams? How many losses do we have in WA Griz stadium the last 2 years (compared to Hauck and Phlu)? What is the worst Griz loss in the last 10-15 years? You cannot blame the players. Some are pointing fingers at the safeties but those same safeties performed quite well under Phlu. Despite some great players, we are sadly under performing. We got lucky against Cal Poly and quite frankly I think we were lucky to be close to EW. Had the EW receivers held on to the ball in the 4th qtr, that was a bigger loss.
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Next to 2012 Our worst season was 2010, If you are talking just the Bigs Sky. Throw in Cal Poly however and 2010 was our worst year.

Worst Loss was 2008 to Weber State. (28 -45)

In 2005, we had two Big Sky losses also (Eastern and Msu) and then had our asses handed to us in the first round playoff game by Cal Poly. (21-35)

To me the hardest and worst year since 1985 however was 2003 when we lost to Idaho State We creamed Eastern and then Lost to the Cats. We also lost to a Division II school that year.......... (Granted it was NDSU but would be a number of years until they moved up)

But what was your point??
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I will try to be a little more clear.
You have to go back to the 90's to find a worse loss than NAU. You might have to go back further to find a coach that had more home losses than MD in 2 years and we still have 1 maybe 2 games left and that includes playoff games. You have to go back 20+ years to find our last losing season. We haven't beat a top 25 team in 2 years (except ASU was ranked when we played them) MD has a lot of negative milestones despite having great players.

Side note on what you consider our last bad season: I agree, 2003 was bad except we made it to the playoffs (unlike last year). We were down to a 3rd string QB against NDSU. In the playoff game, Ochs got knocked out of the game with cheap shot in the endzone by West Ill or we would have gone on. Go back and watch tape and you will see Ochs cross the goal line before ball was knocked out of his hands against ISU. Not all the 2003 losses were related to coaching mistakes, though I do believe Phen offense sucked until Ochs was allowed to audible more which didn't happen much until 2004.
 
The problem is in 2003 I wasn't quite recovered from 1998. We had three losses made the playoffs anyway and got smoked by Western Illinois in the first round 9-52. We haven't lost that bad to any FBS teams.

There is only one point difference between the 2003 Weber loss and this years Nau Laoss is we were never in Weber game game and t....

I actually get your point, but I'm not going to panic - yet

The problem is I was at that 1998 loss, and now I am reliving it along with 2003........
 
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