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The 2013 Season, 5 reasons for & against a solid year

BWahlberg

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I've been thinking about/working on some sort of summary before fall camp got underway which would address my own personal beliefs of what we could look at that could make or break the 2013 reason for the Griz. Next week we will start to see some of these possibilities take shape as the team returns to the field.

Lets start on what I see are the 5 biggest reasons against 2013 being a successful season.

1. Coaching experience. Lets face it in 2012 we saw a lot of coaching errors. The coaches this spring/summer have even been saying it themselves - they need to be better this year. It would appear that this year the staff will benefit from everyone being "on-board" rather than last year's (*cough* Burtnett *cough*). This year's staff will feature a DC in just his 2nd year on the job, co-OCs that have never been OCs at this level, and a lot of assistants that are brand new to being position coaches. Does this coaching staff have the experience to mitigate and manage challenges, make adjustments, properly motivate the team, and work together as a cohesive unit? Only time will tell.

2. The defensive secondary. I could sugar coat the hell out of this saying every guy that's back should be more experienced, have been practicing against JJ, have a better/attentive position coach at safety, were hurt last year, were new last year, etc - but that's all just excuses. The defensive secondary needs to prove last year was the exception and not the rule for this group of guys. The Griz allowed an average of 300 passing yards per game, one of the worst in all of the FCS. If this group isn't dramatically improved they could off-set how talented our front 7 is.

3. Lack of experience in the passing game. So besides Ellis Henderson and Cam Warren to some extent we've got a corps of WRs and TEs that have very little experience as the main targets. The Griz should have a solid running game, a great O-line, and a QB that will be a difference maker. But... who will catch the ball? There's a big field of guys ripe with potential but limited in experience. Can our passing game ramp up this quickly? NCAA be damned, the 5 (vacated) wins we saw late in 2011 were because the passing game came together in tandem with the running game. With no passing game, will our running attack just be a repeat of last years? Good, but not good enough to win close games?

4. The kicking game. Lider is inconsistent but powerful. Greenberg is more accurate but less powerful. Takai's short snaps have been all over the place. Warren as a holder has been ok, but challenging with the issues of snaps, etc. Also the blocking line for the kicking team has given up far too many blocks. This all has the recipe for disaster. If the Griz need a late-game winner from 40 yards out, how confident do you feel right now they'll hit that? I really hope the kicking unit has been practicing their butts off this summer.

5. Health in some key spots. Ask MSU how good they're feeling about their linebacker corps right now. Health is a concern every team has and in many cases something they can't entirely plan for. Freak injuries happen, its part of the game. I just look at some key spots on the team, LB, QB, and to a lesser extent RB and wonder how damaging a few key losses right there could be.

OK, done with Debbie Downer. Lets flip the coin and look at five reasons for a successful 2013 season.

1. The return of Jordan Johnson. With all due respects to Trent McKinney who did look improved in the spring. JJ's return brings a dual threat that can hit most passes either in the pocket or on the run. He can run the ball well too so defenses will have to stay honest. He is great with zone-read too. He's also a guy the team rallies around, he's a leader on and off the field. This is the kind of QB that a team needs for a successful year - which is really exciting to see.

2. The O-line. Look at the experience across our O-line. Trevor Poole rotated in 2011, started for most of 2012. Will Poehls rotated in 2010/11, started in 2012. Kjebly Oiland started in 2012. Jordan Hines rotated in 2012. Danny Kistler rotated in 2010, started in 2011 and 2012. We've got 3 seniors on the line and 2 juniors. We've got experienced depth allowing these guys to rest up during games as well. The starting 5 will average just about 6-6 and 305 pounds. That's quite the group to plow the road.

3. The defensive front 7. Cat fans are already sick of hearing about our front 7, ha. Going into this season, it's THE BEST in the Big Sky... maybe even the FCS. We have one of the best outside linebackers in Jordan Tripp. A workhorse of a mike-backer in Coyle, and maybe one of the more under-rated outside linebackers in the league in Kanongata'a - not to even add in the depth of Kose, Owen, and Van Ackeren. We have a tandem of athletic freaks in defensive ends with Holmes and Wagenmann, and 3 (possibly 4 with Rehm) defensive tackles that would start for just about any other Big Sky team. Linebacker experience in the depth is a bit of a concern but the talent isn't. This group is also loaded with experience and senior leadership.

4. A stable of running backs. Jordan Canada will not have to shoulder the load which is probably good, he can stay healthy through the season. TraVon Van is a combo of something we don't see often at our level, size AND speed. Counts is going to make a huge impact as a burly and powerful back that can plow through guys or outrun them. Treshawn Favors could be a surprise player as a freshman if he can adjust to this level quickly. Jamal Wilson and Gavin Hagfors will not just be blockers but will have roles in the running game. And I keep saying it but watch for Marlon Miles as a scat-back, the dude is hopefully going to take some screens/check downs for big yards.

5. Unity. The NCAA has spoken, the DOJ/DOE is done, there is no sudden transition of a new coach this year, we've got the same head coach in place now. The team is together as a single unit. Last year it was pretty easy to unravel after the continual storm of bad news that hit. That should have just steeled the resolve of this year's team. This season the team will have an opportunity to avenge 5 of their 6 losses last season (all but the SUU loss). What I would project the 5 hardest games of the season (App, CPSLO, EWU, Sac, & MSU) we have 3 at home. Griz Nation is chomping at the bit for the team to return and to cheer on a return to our winning ways. There's so much lining up that give hope to excellent motivating causes to a successful there.

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There you have it! That's my thoughts. On to fall camp, GO GRIZ!
 
BWahlberg said:
1. Coaching experience. Lets face it in 2012 we saw a lot of coaching errors. The coaches this spring/summer have even been saying it themselves - they need to be better this year. It would appear that this year the staff will benefit from everyone being "on-board" rather than last year's (*cough* Burtnett and Rosenbach *cough*). This year's staff will feature a DC in just his 2nd year on the job, co-OCs that have never been OCs at this level, and a lot of assistants that are brand new to being position coaches. Does this coaching staff have the experience to mitigate and manage challenges, make adjustments, properly motivate the team, and work together as a cohesive unit? Only time will tell.
Thanks. I also thought Bill Speltz also had some interesting thoughts on the coaching changes:

One of the more intriguing aspects of the upcoming Montana football season is the switch to two offensive coordinators. After watching last year’s OC Timm Rosenbach struggle with play calling at times, especially in a season-ending loss to the Cats, I must say the change is exciting.

Rosenbach had a knack for calling the wrong running play at the wrong time, stopping a drive in its tracks. His unit ranked No. 1 in the Big Sky Conference in average yards per game (452.3) but also ranked 11th in the league in red zone consistency.

Still, is having two offensive coordinators – Scott Gragg and Kefense Hynson – like having one too many cooks in the kitchen? Not according to Griz head coach Mick Delaney.

“I’ll bet if you took a survey right now of FBS and FCS football more than half of them have double coordinators on offense or defense,” said Delaney, whose team will begin fall camp Tuesday, Aug. 6. “It’s a matter of where the expertise is at.

“Certainly Scott Gragg has great expertise in the run game, the zone blocking scheme, protection. Kefense (Hynson) has a great knowledge overall of everything. I know a lot of people wonder, ‘How can you do that? Is that the easy way out?’ You do it because you’re really relying on each other’s expertise.”

Hynson will call the plays and will sit up in the press box during games. But when it comes to creating a game plan each week, Delaney says it will be a team project.

“It’s a good situation,” Delaney said.

We’ll soon see.
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BWahlberg said:
4. The kicking game. Lider is inconsistent but powerful. Greenberg is more accurate but less powerful. Takai's short snaps have been all over the place. Warren as a holder has been ok, but challenging with the issues of snaps, etc. Also the blocking line for the kicking team has given up far too many blocks. This all has the recipe for disaster. If the Griz need a late-game winner from 40 yards out, how confident do you feel right now they'll hit that? I really hope the kicking unit has been practicing their butts off this summer.

Per a local area (Twin Falls Idaho) sports writer, the Griz have no intention of redshirting incoming kicker Ben Worst (FR PK Twin Falls High). As a guy who has had the unfortunate luck of being on the opposite sideline from him,he (Worst) is a kid that can come in an push both Lider and Greenberg. He has incredible height to his PAT/FG's, but his weakness in high school was line driving KO's that wouldn't make it to the endzone.

At least a person could assume that the coaches were less than enthralled with how the kicking game played out last year and there is going to be open competition come fall drills.
 
Yeah Brint I agree with pretty much everything that you put out there. The first game against Appy will be the season eye-opener for the Griz.....both good and bad!!! I think you will agree that most teams will try the Pass first.....Run second strategy on the Griz.......if they're successfull with the pass they might hopefully open up the run game. BTW.....why do you and most of Griz nation think that Burdnette and Rosenbach "gave up" on the team last season? Yeah...some of the play calls were real head-scratchers but these guys have been around a long time....quitters don't usually last too long either as players OR coaches......just curious.
 
Excellent article!! I'm being honest when I say this but I don't like reading very much but I read this twice. Hopefully THIS is gonna be THE YEAR. GO GRIZ!!!
 
Agree with everything you say BW! I would just like to extend your analysis of the kicking game to the entire special teams play last year. Kickoff and punt coverage was as critically bad as the kicking itself at times last year. In order for this year to be an unqualified success special teams in general are going to have to show vast improvement.
 
Teton Cat said:
BTW.....why do you and most of Griz nation think that Burdnette and "gave up" on the team last season? Yeah...some of the play calls were real head-scratchers but these guys have been around a long time....quitters don't usually last too long either as players OR coaches......just curious.

Here's my take on that.

After the SUU lost went on a tirade shouting at players after the game. Had worked in a lot of special play calls for the game but never used them. One player asked why it was never used and he caught an earful for even asking about it. The post above with his mistakes in play calling. The big sticking point for me was that he left for Weber within a week of the season ending. My belief was that he was already interviewing/prepping for that job well before the season ended. He claimed that he came here to coach for Pflugrad and Pflugrad wasn't here. That was a quote in the paper when he announced his departure. He tried to cover his rapid departure saying he was going to work for his best friend, a job he swore he'd take if the opportunity was there. Well... he lasted all of maybe 2 months before jumping ship to UNLV.

Burtnett, he was complaining about the safeties before the season started to groups saying they had no speed and talent. He didn't get along with the other defensive coaches, I'd heard he didn't even listen to Gregorak. Much like Rosenbach, he had his bags packed and was gone the second the season ended.

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Maybe saying they quit is an assumption but a lot of their behaviors and actions suggest it.
 
Gaeilge1 said:
Agree with everything you say BW! I would just like to extend your analysis of the kicking game to the entire special teams play last year. Kickoff and punt coverage was as critically bad as the kicking itself at times last year. In order for this year to be an unqualified success special teams in general are going to have to show vast improvement.

That's a good point! With exception to Shaw at punter we don't know how our KR/PR will be either.

One thing though is that last year's ST will mostly be this year's as well. Just like the argument for the defensive secondary it could be better with experience, or it could be more of the same.
 
Great read Brint, as usual very well done. I agree with pretty much everything. Our big bodies on both lines will keep us in every game this year and our skill players are good enough to win most. Here is to a really good season this year. :party:
 
BWahlberg said:
Teton Cat said:
BTW.....why do you and most of Griz nation think that Burdnette and Rosenbach "gave up" on the team last season? Yeah...some of the play calls were real head-scratchers but these guys have been around a long time....quitters don't usually last too long either as players OR coaches......just curious.

Here's my take on that.

Rosenbach, after the SUU lost went on a tirade shouting at players after the game. Had worked in a lot of special play calls for the game but never used them. One player asked why it was never used and he caught an earful for even asking about it. The post above with his mistakes in play calling. The big sticking point for me was that he left for Weber within a week of the season ending. My belief was that he was already interviewing/prepping for that job well before the season ended. He claimed that he came here to coach for Pflugrad and Pflugrad wasn't here. That was a quote in the paper when he announced his departure. He tried to cover his rapid departure saying he was going to work for his best friend, a job he swore he'd take if the opportunity was there. Well... he lasted all of maybe 2 months before jumping ship to UNLV.

Burtnett, he was complaining about the safeties before the season started to groups saying they had no speed and talent. He didn't get along with the other defensive coaches, I'd heard he didn't even listen to Gregorak. Much like Rosenbach, he had his bags packed and was gone the second the season ended.

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Maybe saying they quit is an assumption but a lot of their behaviors and actions suggest it.

I am pretty sure that Burtnett was packed and ready to leave way before the end of the season, more like after the North Dakota game.
 
very nice write up and post b/w,,,you make one think.....I would also add we are very strong up the middle on defense (tackles), football mirrors baseball, in that you have to have those tackles doing their job, just like the shortstop and second baseman,,,we have that in spades in the middle with our tackles imo...
 
JJ will make the WR's heroes. all of them.

our front 7 on D will be the best in FCS, and collectively the best collective group we've ever had. without a doubt the fastest front 7 we've ever had. before someone starts naming better LB's, ends, DT's, let's remember I said "collectively." thanks.

going out on a limb here, but think our OC situation will work out well, after a couple of lumpy games.

but...all of this will hinge on whether or not MD can make a logical decision in crunch time...like the coin toss.
 
smarsh said:
JJ will make the WR's heroes. all of them.

our front 7 on D will be the best in FCS, and collectively the best collective group we've ever had. without a doubt the fastest front 7 we've ever had. before someone starts naming better LB's, ends, DT's, let's remember I said "collectively." thanks.

going out on a limb here, but think our OC situation will work out well, after a couple of lumpy games.

but...all of this will hinge on whether or not MD can make a logical decision in crunch time...like the coin toss.
I totally agree with everything you said except for the coin toss part. The Griz deferred to recieve. It kinda worked out. I mean, we only won by 3 touchdowns and a 2 point conversion.... Lol
 
smarsh said:
JJ will make the WR's heroes. all of them.

our front 7 on D will be the best in FCS, and collectively the best collective group we've ever had. without a doubt the fastest front 7 we've ever had. before someone starts naming better LB's, ends, DT's, let's remember I said "collectively." thanks.

going out on a limb here, but think our OC situation will work out well, after a couple of lumpy games.

but...all of this will hinge on whether or not MD can make a logical decision in crunch time...like the coin toss.
I agree with you on the WR's, JJ will make every one of them look better with his accurate passes. I think we should line up Trent M as a WR or a RB and then we have the chance to do some nasty trick plays. Hes such an athlete that he'd probably do pretty well.

My biggest question mark is coaching. I was not happy with some of the play calls on the offensive and defensive side, esp late in games.

Our front seven on D are great my only worry is Kanongata'a on pass coverage if i remember right he got burned a time or two.
 
As usual BW pretty much nailed it. From what i've seen and heard since JJ's trial is that this team is poised and collectively dedicated to removing the bad taste of last season and resurrecting GRIZ NATION to the heights that reflects what Montana Grizzly Football IS.
 
2. The O-line. Look at the experience across our O-line. Trevor Poole rotated in 2011, started for most of 2012. Will Poehls rotated in 2010/11, started in 2012. Kjebly Oiland started in 2012. Jordan Hines rotated in 2012. Danny Kistler rotated in 2010, started in 2011 and 2012. We've got 3 seniors on the line and 2 juniors. We've got experienced depth allowing these guys to rest up during games as well. The starting 5 will average just about 6-6 and 305 pounds. That's quite the group to plow the road.

The major benefit of a 6-6 305lb line is the wear you dish out over the game. BH punished opposing D-Lines so Lex could run roughshod over them by the end of the game. Lets hope a 5 10 JJ can work his magic this year and the read-zone allows them to dish out some pain this year.
 
Spot on BW. The talent is there for a deep run, no doubt about it. JJ running the show behind this O-line will be a thing of beauty.

I've been critical of Delaney, but he has handled this off-season pretty well. Moving towards a pro-style was a wise move given our O-line and the background of this coaching staff. But until we see otherwise, coaching remains the glaring weakness of this team.

My concern offensively is how much of this new offense is Delaney and will we essentially have three guys making calls on game days? I know the plan is for Kfense to call plays from the box. But will Delaney, Kfense and Gragg be on the same page when the turd hits the fan?

Gregorak has to improve from last year. I expect he will, but there is no excuse to be giving up the type of passing yardage we saw in 2012 - especially with the talent we return up front this season. Figure it out Ty.
 
NLGrizFan said:
smarsh said:
JJ will make the WR's heroes. all of them.

our front 7 on D will be the best in FCS, and collectively the best collective group we've ever had. without a doubt the fastest front 7 we've ever had. before someone starts naming better LB's, ends, DT's, let's remember I said "collectively." thanks.

going out on a limb here, but think our OC situation will work out well, after a couple of lumpy games.

but...all of this will hinge on whether or not MD can make a logical decision in crunch time...like the coin toss.
I totally agree with everything you said except for the coin toss part. The Griz deferred to recieve. It kinda worked out. I mean, we only won by 3 touchdowns and a 2 point conversion.... Lol
We deferred so we could choose to receive the second half kick off but MD chose instead to kick off again to start the second half. Boneheaded decision no matter the outcome.
 
griz5700 said:
Spot on BW. The talent is there for a deep run, no doubt about it. JJ running the show behind this O-line will be a thing of beauty.

I've been critical of Delaney, but he has handled this off-season pretty well. Moving towards a pro-style was a wise move given our O-line and the background of this coaching staff. But until we see otherwise, coaching remains the glaring weakness of this team.

My concern offensively is how much of this new offense is Delaney and will we essentially have three guys making calls on game days? I know the plan is for Kfense to call plays from the box. But will Delaney, Kfense and Gragg be on the same page when the turd hits the fan?

Gregorak has to improve from last year. I expect he will, but there is no excuse to be giving up the type of passing yardage we saw in 2012 - especially with the talent we return up front this season. Figure it out Ty.


this is an excellent post imo...being all on the same page etc...coaching, coaching, coaching?????????????
 
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