Televised Games

[Bear Axed]

right :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Cats2506]

My info came from two separate people employed by two separate media outlets

Yeah I'm sure both of our sources are wrong though and KPAX is deciding not to air the Griz games "just because" like this Bobcat fan is saying :lol: :lol:

Just called my rep again and read to him this thread. He said that unless learfield in missoula is ran different than any other in the country, then someone is lying to both of you. He is going to call missoula tomorrow and get the name and quote from both KPAX and Learfield.

before you get your little panties out of a wad, ask him who retains the rights to the kitty vs drake game

same people that control the SFA and Chadron games, its an issue with the time the game is played and Drake wont move the start time an hour.

Drake was a bunch of whiny bitches when they were in Bozeman and I guess they still have a chip on their shoulder.

 

[Bear Axed]

Drake was a bunch of whiny bitches when they were in Bozeman and I guess they still have a chip on their shoulder.

Not overly surprisinging is it ~ that helps explain why their ex coaches behave the way they do


I heard their all time winningest coach in history was at about a 58% win / loss record

 

[griz71]

Doesn't MSU use Learfield as well?

Learfield has no rights on Big Sky Conference games and unlimited rights on "MOST out of Conference games.

Max picked up everything it could for both the Griz and the kitties, the Griz had only one game available that was not on Root Sports that was cost efficient and not owned by "gouge 'em for all you can get" learyfield

I happen to be a corporate sponsor for the Cats, so I called by Rep from Learfield Sports and asked him how much they have to do with the T.V. Broadcasts of MSU and the Bad news bears. He said they have NOTHING to do with broadcast rights. He said they are just in charge or licensing fees and branding of those things. KPAK was the one who chose not to broadcast the games that ROOT didn't.

Any word from anyone out there whether or not KECI has shown any interest in telecasting the 4 non-Root games?

 

[Bear Axed]

SUU is being aired by Max Media

KECI has NOT bid on local Athletics of any type in the last 4 years :?

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

SUU is being aired by Max Media

KECI has NOT bid on local Athletics of any type in the last 4 years :?

Isn't KECI an NBC affiliate? I've been watching most Griz games, other than the ones on ESPN, etc., on KTVQ, a CBS station.

 

[Silvertip]

I think UM is hampered by its relationship with KPAX, in the past KPAX has paid more than double what would be considered "fair market value". So now learfield probably feels that there is a basis for asking a premium price for the OOC games.

It was an advantage that KPAX paid that, in that it put more money into um athletic dept. But now KPAX doesn't want to play if they cant get the whole package, and that's understandable too since that was part of how they made money.

It may take a few years for learfield to understand that um games do not warrant a premium price. :shock:

So, you're thinking maybe that UM would have benefited up through the present if over the years they had had the good sense of receiving only half of what was then perceived as "fair market value"?... Fair or unfair market value - being one and the same - is what somebody is willing to pay at a given time for good or services. Like your stock prospectus says; "Past performance is no guarantee of future earnings..."

 

[AZGrizFan]

Perhaps we should go the "Gameplan" route for the ASU game like last year's playoffs...

 

[Cats2506]

I think UM is hampered by its relationship with KPAX, in the past KPAX has paid more than double what would be considered "fair market value". So now learfield probably feels that there is a basis for asking a premium price for the OOC games.

It was an advantage that KPAX paid that, in that it put more money into um athletic dept. But now KPAX doesn't want to play if they cant get the whole package, and that's understandable too since that was part of how they made money.

It may take a few years for learfield to understand that um games do not warrant a premium price. :shock:

So, you're thinking maybe that UM would have benefited up through the present if over the years they had had the good sense of receiving only half of what was then perceived as "fair market value"?... Fair or unfair market value - being one and the same - is what somebody is willing to pay at a given time for good or services. Like your stock prospectus says; "Past performance is no guarantee of future earnings..."

In the past KPAX was willing to bid high, taking boosters advertising money and funneling it to um, making a nice profit in the process. um was clearing about 150,000 in media fees. Now that root has the cream of the games, the boosters are not willing to pay those rates to KPAX.

Yes it was nice you got that extra money, but that fact that you cant sell the OOC games now that the sweet deal with KPAX is not there, shows that they were paying too much for the market.

In the past MSU had made about 110,000 in media, with teh root deal I am not sure what we will get but neither MT team will get the boost from KPAX paying 100,000 for the rights to Cat/fizz.

remember, under the old system the Cats benefited from KPAX's system too, since in conference games, the home team gets 60% and the away team gets 40%, (-5% for the BSC of course)

While the root deal may not give either team the dollars that we were getting before, it will give better regional exposure, which is worth something.

 

[Silvertip]

If you're thinking home ticket dollars are shared with the visiting team that simply is not true - and that's from no fewer than two sources inside the UM athletic department. The home team gets ALL of the gate receipts from conference games. If nothing else, logic tells you that the Griz have not been doling out proportionate shares of monies received from 19,000+ ticket holders months after those season tickets were paid for and banked.That dog not only won't hunt it won't even hop in the truck...King George had a good thing going in the Big Sky. Oh Yeah!

 

[Cats2506]

If you're thinking home ticket dollars are shared with the visiting team that simply is not true - and that's from no fewer than two sources inside the UM athletic department. The home team gets ALL of the gate receipts from conference games. If nothing else, logic tells you that the Griz have not been doling out proportionate shares of monies received from 19,000+ ticket holders months after those season tickets were paid for and banked.That dog not only won't hunt it won't even hop in the truck...King George had a good thing going in the Big Sky. Oh Yeah!

Are you completly stupid or just a um alum?

we are talking television contracts, what make you think we are talking about ticket sales.

:roll: :roll:

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

What I don't understand is that the University of Montana has a Department of Radio-Television under the auspices of the School of Journalism < http://www.umt.edu/catalog/cat/journal/default.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and for all of that the University doesn't deem to broadcast the universities' own football and/or basketball games; what do they have over there?..an empty building? What good is it if you spend all kinds of monies to some "other" television station while the UofM "should" have the facilities of braodcasting games themselves. Have the broadcasting as part of an academic program geared towards a degree program. The most of what you need is but the video anyways; a commentary on statistics, down and yardage to go for a first down and what else is there to fill in for but the audio anyways; a bunch of locals going local has hardly been appetizing, likes its been in the past anyways.

The UofM can control the rights to their own games while dishing out video feeds just like they do for the radio. Or why can't they? To hell with all these power brokers of the telvision stations and/or Internet that don't give a damn anyways. All they do is go around struting their stuff for their august presense as if all is but up to reputation in order to get "their next piece of ass" anyways since five minutes after they dick something they just turn around and call it a slut or a whore anyways without delivering the goods.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

One of the Big Sky’s perks is the league’s exposure. In April, Root Sports announced its 12-game television schedule for the league’s football programs. The games will be televised in high definition on the Root Sports regional networks, which reach 8.7 million viewers across 18 states.

UND will play on Root Sports on Oct. 20 when it hosts Montana at the Alerus Center.

Partly due to that television deal, the league doles out revenue sharing with its members.

“It’s one of the few conferences that has revenue sharing because of its business plan,” Faison said. “It’s a unique situation that has developed over the years because of the long, hard work put in by the conference and the commissioner.”

The revenue sharing is not equal and is based on a program’s level of exposure. Faison said UND hasn’t budgeted for that money and will have a better handle on revenue sharing after the first season in the league.

 

[Cats2506]

One of the Big Sky’s perks is the league’s exposure. In April, Root Sports announced its 12-game television schedule for the league’s football programs. The games will be televised in high definition on the Root Sports regional networks, which reach 8.7 million viewers across 18 states.

UND will play on Root Sports on Oct. 20 when it hosts Montana at the Alerus Center.

Partly due to that television deal, the league doles out revenue sharing with its members.

“It’s one of the few conferences that has revenue sharing because of its business plan,” Faison said. “It’s a unique situation that has developed over the years because of the long, hard work put in by the conference and the commissioner.”

The revenue sharing is not equal and is based on a program’s level of exposure. Faison said UND hasn’t budgeted for that money and will have a better handle on revenue sharing after the first season in the league.

Yeah, Im thinking they didnt change the formula which was 5% to the conference, and the remaider split 60/40 home/away but I havent heard how much root paid per game or if they paid a premium for Cat/Griz. I am betting it is around what the Cats usually got in the past which was about $12,000 per game.

 

[Silvertip]

While I sample crow still neither TV nor gate receipts sharing makes any sense. TV rights virtually everywhere are owned by the school originating the telecast.

 

[Cats2506]

While I sample crow still neither TV nor gate receipts sharing makes any sense. TV rights virtually everywhere are owned by the school originating the telecast.

Wrong again, conference games are usually held by the conference and distributed usually by exposure, that is how the Big Ten, SEC and PAC 12 are now. The Big 12 still lets the individuality schools hold their media rights and has no revenue sharing which is exactly the reason teams have been leaving that conference. The UT network is the problem not the solution.

Conferences that have revenue sharing and control the media seem to be stronger and healthier financially

Yes OOC games are usually determined by the game contract and set by agreement of both schools.

I have no idea why you keep throwing ticket receipts into this, since they have nothing to do with the discussion.

Without a conference controlling the media or a game contract the visiting team could refuse to release their media rights to the home teams broadcaster, It would be pretty difficult to televise a game without ever showing the opponents players.

 

[Silvertip]

While I sample crow still neither TV nor gate receipts sharing makes any sense. TV rights virtually everywhere are owned by the school originating the telecast.

Wrong again, conference games are usually held by the conference and distributed usually by exposure, that is how the Big Ten, SEC and PAC 12 are now. The Big 12 still lets the individuality schools hold their media rights and has no revenue sharing which is exactly the reason teams have been leaving that conference. The UT network is the problem not the solution.

Conferences that have revenue sharing and control the media seem to be stronger and healthier financially

Yes OOC games are usually determined by the game contract and set by agreement of both schools.

I have no idea why you keep throwing ticket receipts into this, since they have nothing to do with the discussion.

Without a conference controlling the media or a game contract the visiting team could refuse to release their media rights to the home teams broadcaster, It would be pretty difficult to televise a game without ever showing the opponents players.

Let's cut to the chase... This 2012 football season, the first in which UM has surrendered its autonomy to both Learfield and the BSC office inspired ROOT contract, more resembles a carcass picked over by a pair of buzzards. Whatever fans thought about Bob Hermes and KPAX at least they knew they would see ALL games home and away exclusive of the playoffs. Instead the schedule has been cherry picked to death and when fans can't find the Griz for a particular game it'll be the result of neither KPAX nor anybody else wanting to pick up the skin and bones left by the buzzards...BTW, you might well spend more time worrying about your cats and their future with MaxMedia. Our excuse, as if we needed one, is that we no longer have an engaged AD to look out for UM's interests. What will be yours?

 

[Cats2506]

While I sample crow still neither TV nor gate receipts sharing makes any sense. TV rights virtually everywhere are owned by the school originating the telecast.

Wrong again, conference games are usually held by the conference and distributed usually by exposure, that is how the Big Ten, SEC and PAC 12 are now. The Big 12 still lets the individuality schools hold their media rights and has no revenue sharing which is exactly the reason teams have been leaving that conference. The UT network is the problem not the solution.

Conferences that have revenue sharing and control the media seem to be stronger and healthier financially

Yes OOC games are usually determined by the game contract and set by agreement of both schools.

I have no idea why you keep throwing ticket receipts into this, since they have nothing to do with the discussion.

Without a conference controlling the media or a game contract the visiting team could refuse to release their media rights to the home teams broadcaster, It would be pretty difficult to televise a game without ever showing the opponents players.

Let's cut to the chase... This 2012 football season, the first in which UM has surrendered its autonomy to both Learfield and the BSC office inspired ROOT contract, more resembles a carcass picked over by a pair of buzzards. Whatever fans thought about Bob Hermes and KPAX at least they knew they would see ALL games home and away exclusive of the playoffs. Instead the schedule has been cherry picked to death and when fans can't find the Griz for a particular game it'll be the result of neither KPAX nor anybody else wanting to pick up the skin and bones left by the buzzards...BTW, you might well spend more time worrying about your cats and their future with MaxMedia. Our excuse, as if we needed one, is that we no longer have an engaged AD to look out for UM's interests. What will be yours?

Max Media already picked up all the Cat games except Drake, That game was unavailable to them due to a schedule conflict with a NASCAR race that they could not get released by the network and Drake would not move the game 1 hour to accommodate them.

 

[chris]

Montana-Appalachian State football game on Sept. 8 has been set for 6:30 p.m. ET on ESPN3.

 

[GrizPDX]

That's great news for me out in Portland with Comcast and ESPN3 at my fingertips, but what about everybody back home without access? This may open up the possibility of a PPV scenario much like Tennessee last year.