"Tackling"

[PlayerRep]

This was actually a good tackle. Hermie filled very hard and fast. That part was great. Stopped the guy cold initially, and then the kid spun to the inside on fell forward. Hermie did not get run over. Had he kept the rb from spinning and falling forward, the tackle would have been better. There are plenty of other examples of bad tackles.

I'm not sure how the played developed, but if he had tackled at the knees, you don't have the ability to spin. If the player does spin off you can drop to the ankles and trip him up. That high of tackle, allows the rb to: spin, stiff arm away, bulldoze drag, or defender can be just shed. Alpha is definitely right, but how the play developed could have alot to with how the photo came to be. The Griz are trying to do too many ESPN highlight shoulder pad hits, instead fundamental wrap-ups

I do know how this play developed. It was a terrific hit and tackle. Had he been able to get down and hit at the knees, he would have allowed the runner to dive forward and could have missed the tackle. Don't know whether Hermie dropped on this one, but he may have and it was the same result. Alpha is talking about form tackling. That probably occurs about a half dozen times a game. Tackling comes in many forms. Go look at the play, and watch the hit. Hermie stopped the runner dead in his tracks, after coming up hard and fast. It was a very good fill, hit and tackle, spoiled slightly by the spin and lunge forward. Still a good result.

 

[mtgriz]

Look at the Redskins picture above, that guy is 100% correct, head up off to the side hit low lift and drive.

Thats how.

It does look like great form, but it's a block, not a tackle.

 

[kemajic]

This is not how to do it.

Low pad wins, you dont need to be an engineering student in Bozeman to understand leverage, center of gravity and proper form.


I know Ty says he practices this every week but I dont believe him.....and on the off chance he does we need a new DC that can teach it properly and hold people accountable for doing it wrong.

He had the same form when had a major hit and stole the ball. That would not have happened with a low hit. I'll take Hermanson's play yesterday every time. Tully and the corners, not so much. The lower you go, the higher the probability of a whiff. Also part of tackling is punishment; MH was punishing people yesterday.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Tackling is tackling a ball carrier and getting him to the ground.

Punishment is usually for losing teams being lazy and not tackling properly.

 

[Chester Cheetah]

This was actually a good tackle. Hermie filled very hard and fast. That part was great. Stopped the guy cold initially, and then the kid spun to the inside on fell forward. Hermie did not get run over. Had he kept the rb from spinning and falling forward, the tackle would have been better. There are plenty of other examples of bad tackles.

I'm not sure how the played developed, but if he had tackled at the knees, you don't have the ability to spin. If the player does spin off you can drop to the ankles and trip him up. That high of tackle, allows the rb to: spin, stiff arm away, bulldoze drag, or defender can be just shed. Alpha is definitely right, but how the play developed could have alot to with how the photo came to be. The Griz are trying to do too many ESPN highlight shoulder pad hits, instead fundamental wrap-ups

I do know how this play developed. It was a terrific hit and tackle. Had he been able to get down and hit at the knees, he would have allowed the runner to dive forward and could have missed the tackle. Don't know whether Hermie dropped on this one, but he may have and it was the same result. Alpha is talking about form tackling. That probably occurs about a half dozen times a game. Tackling comes in many forms. Go look at the play, and watch the hit. Hermie stopped the runner dead in his tracks, after coming up hard and fast. It was a very good fill, hit and tackle, spoiled slightly by the spin and lunge forward. Still a good result.

I think that is exactly the point that Alpha is making.

 

[PlayerRep]

This was actually a good tackle. Hermie filled very hard and fast. That part was great. Stopped the guy cold initially, and then the kid spun to the inside on fell forward. Hermie did not get run over. Had he kept the rb from spinning and falling forward, the tackle would have been better. There are plenty of other examples of bad tackles.

I'm not sure how the played developed, but if he had tackled at the knees, you don't have the ability to spin. If the player does spin off you can drop to the ankles and trip him up. That high of tackle, allows the rb to: spin, stiff arm away, bulldoze drag, or defender can be just shed. Alpha is definitely right, but how the play developed could have alot to with how the photo came to be. The Griz are trying to do too many ESPN highlight shoulder pad hits, instead fundamental wrap-ups

I do know how this play developed. It was a terrific hit and tackle. Had he been able to get down and hit at the knees, he would have allowed the runner to dive forward and could have missed the tackle. Don't know whether Hermie dropped on this one, but he may have and it was the same result. Alpha is talking about form tackling. That probably occurs about a half dozen times a game. Tackling comes in many forms. Go look at the play, and watch the hit. Hermie stopped the runner dead in his tracks, after coming up hard and fast. It was a very good fill, hit and tackle, spoiled slightly by the spin and lunge forward. Still a good result.

I think that is exactly the point that Alpha is making.

I said "a game", not just in UM games. That's all games played by all teams. Tacklers don't get opportunities to make form tackles like Alpha is talking about in games. Good tackles come in many forms. Kem pointed out Hermie's other similar tackle, which was a hard hit, stopped the runner cold, and resulted in Hermie taking the ball away from him. Great tackle and great play.

 

[grizpack]

On the bright side, he did wrap up. That also seems to be a serious deficiency this year. And not just on the Griz. Players seem to try to knock them down rather than tackling them down.

 

[IdaGriz01]

On the bright side, he did wrap up. That also seems to be a serious deficiency this year. And not just on the Griz. Players seem to try to knock them down rather than tackling them down.

Yep. You see it in the NFL a lot too.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Debating the Hermanson play is a waste of time. Does anybody seriously think that tackling is a strength of this team, especially the secondary? C'mon now the point is moot.

 

[nzone]

Debating the Hermanson play is a waste of time. Does anybody seriously think that tackling is a strength of this team, especially the secondary? C'mon now the point is moot.

Nope....tackling is the weakest part of this team. Even the coaches know it. Just don't know what to do about it.

 

[kemajic]

Tackling is tackling a ball carrier and getting him to the ground.

Punishment is usually for losing teams being lazy and not tackling properly.

Ronny Lott must have been very lazy. But don't recall his teams losing many, so probably an outlier to your theory.

 

[kemajic]

Poor tackling is often a symptom of allowing the offense to get into the open field too often. We are not getting pressure on the QB and are allowing them to pick us apart. Good receivers in open space are difficult to tackle one on one. Where have our "outstanding" DE's been all year? They are disrupting little. Nor are they doing a great job of containment on the wide running plays.

 

[garizzalies]

I think our horrible tackling is related to our horrible D scheme. The bend-but-don't-break-and-keep-everything-in-front-of-you D forces the players to come up and make tackles in space. But, because they have to accelerate to close the gap, they end up out of control, over-pursuing, getting juked, or failing to break down once they get there.

 

[PTGrizzly]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7nTZJU4muo&noredirect=1[/youtube]

It'd be nice to see our players tackle like this.

 

[grizpack]

Maybe we need to recruit more 6 man and 8 man football players. They know how to open field tackle.

 

[Elite_Griz_Lover15]

One of the most suspect players is Jordan Tripp.... yeah yeah legacy and all he is honestly not that great, just fast. Brock Coyle is the far superior LB. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

 

[griz5700]

Unfortunately Gregorak is running the same keep it in front of you defense Paulson ran under Hauck. The difference is past defenses were disciplined in their assignments, fundamentally sound, and relentlessly swarmed to the ball.

 

[kemajic]

Unfortunately Gregorak is running the same keep it in front of you defense Paulson ran under Hauck. The difference is past defenses were disciplined in their assignments, fundamentally sound, and relentlessly swarmed to the ball.

Shouldn't be a surprise; he was a Paulson disciple. But I think the real difference is we are today playing better offenses than we were in the Paulson era.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Of course we are............. :roll:

 

[Grizzlies1982]

This was actually a good tackle. Hermie filled very hard and fast. That part was great. Stopped the guy cold initially, and then the kid spun to the inside on fell forward. Hermie did not get run over. Had he kept the rb from spinning and falling forward, the tackle would have been better. There are plenty of other examples of bad tackles.

"There are plenty of other examples of bad tackles."
The understatement of the year.
Is there any replacement for nate harris?

You didn't like Harris' 11 tackles, including 9 solos?

And how many wiffs?
That turned into big plays.

On one play we had FIVE guys whiff on the tackle with the sixth one bringing him down.
The staff should show that replay at the start and finish of each practice.
:ugeek: