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Mavman said:
Best fight I've seen at a football game was at the Holy War. Utah was in Provo, just scored a TD, and the cheerleaders were running around with the Utah flag. Went right in front of the BYU cheerleaders and one of the BYU dudes tacked the flag carrying Utah cheer dude. Happened right in front of me. Was hilarious!
From skimming the arresting officer's affidavit and looking at the latest Missoulian article:
1. Does Strong appear to be under influence of intoxicants? No.
2. The 2 other witnesses, who were with Strong, were not interviewed by the arresting officer. According to the article, the Pullman police would like to interview them. This will likely be a positive for Strong.
3. Looks like 2 people were interviewed by the arresting officer, plus another one at the party only. One said the guy put his open-handed palms up, before Strong hit him. He says Strong threw one punch, the guy went down, and Strong threw another punch when the guy was on the ground. He also says he thinks the guy got hurt when he hit the ground after first punch. Would be interesting to know if this witness was friends with the guy who got hurt, and whether he was drunk.
4. Reported as fractured skull with hematoma. The guy must not be in a coma, because the article says the hospital isn't releasing information at the guy's request.
5. A woman was also interviewed. She said the WSU guy had a guy in a headlock or chokehold in the house, 3 guys were mad at the WSU guy, and 2 of them were bleeding. This was in the house. She identified Strong. Said another guy had dreadlocks. Couldn't describe the 3d guy. The WSU guy ran from the house. Several blocks, I believe. She must have followed. She said Strong and guy with dreadlocks hit him multiple times and while on ground. Inconsistency in those 2 witnesses.
6. Strong and the other guys ran off.
7. Officer found the guy bleeding on the roadway.
8. The woman at party thought it was Strong's brother's cousin, and thought he played for Montana St. She said one of the guys had an injury to the eye and lip.
9. The officer said Strong had minor injury to right eye.
10. As reported in other places, Strong has a bit of a different story in various key parts.
11. I didn't look back at the WA statute, but I wonder if punching someone, particular a big guy one has had a skirmish with, and the guy's big injury occurs when he hits the roadway, has the requisite intent to cause serious bodily harm, or whatever the statute says. I've read about cases where someone has hit a drunk in the alley behind the bar, and the drunk gets seriously injured or dies from hitting his head on the ground. I can't recall the result, tho.
12. I wonder if Strong's 2 witnesses will recall the WSU guy with his fists clenched and looking threatening. And if their recollection will be more like Strong's.
13. The officer appears to have made the 2d degree arrest based mainly on: Strong admits that he punched the guy while standing, punched him again while getting up, and the guy got hurt bad. Now, the WSU police will have to sort through all of the additional, and conflicting, recollections.
14. Strong was booked in at 5'10", 190.
1. Does Strong appear to be under influence of intoxicants? No.
2. The 2 other witnesses, who were with Strong, were not interviewed by the arresting officer. According to the article, the Pullman police would like to interview them. This will likely be a positive for Strong.
3. Looks like 2 people were interviewed by the arresting officer, plus another one at the party only. One said the guy put his open-handed palms up, before Strong hit him. He says Strong threw one punch, the guy went down, and Strong threw another punch when the guy was on the ground. He also says he thinks the guy got hurt when he hit the ground after first punch. Would be interesting to know if this witness was friends with the guy who got hurt, and whether he was drunk.
4. Reported as fractured skull with hematoma. The guy must not be in a coma, because the article says the hospital isn't releasing information at the guy's request.
5. A woman was also interviewed. She said the WSU guy had a guy in a headlock or chokehold in the house, 3 guys were mad at the WSU guy, and 2 of them were bleeding. This was in the house. She identified Strong. Said another guy had dreadlocks. Couldn't describe the 3d guy. The WSU guy ran from the house. Several blocks, I believe. She must have followed. She said Strong and guy with dreadlocks hit him multiple times and while on ground. Inconsistency in those 2 witnesses.
6. Strong and the other guys ran off.
7. Officer found the guy bleeding on the roadway.
8. The woman at party thought it was Strong's brother's cousin, and thought he played for Montana St. She said one of the guys had an injury to the eye and lip.
9. The officer said Strong had minor injury to right eye.
10. As reported in other places, Strong has a bit of a different story in various key parts.
11. I didn't look back at the WA statute, but I wonder if punching someone, particular a big guy one has had a skirmish with, and the guy's big injury occurs when he hits the roadway, has the requisite intent to cause serious bodily harm, or whatever the statute says. I've read about cases where someone has hit a drunk in the alley behind the bar, and the drunk gets seriously injured or dies from hitting his head on the ground. I can't recall the result, tho.
12. I wonder if Strong's 2 witnesses will recall the WSU guy with his fists clenched and looking threatening. And if their recollection will be more like Strong's.
13. The officer appears to have made the 2d degree arrest based mainly on: Strong admits that he punched the guy while standing, punched him again while getting up, and the guy got hurt bad. Now, the WSU police will have to sort through all of the additional, and conflicting, recollections.
14. Strong was booked in at 5'10", 190.
"How much force does it take to break the skull?
Quoting a bike-helmet study published in the Journal of Neurosurgery: Pediatrics, he wrote that 235 kg (520 pounds) or 2,300 newtons of force would be needed to crush a human skull, almost twice as much force as human hands could possibly muster."
Quoting a bike-helmet study published in the Journal of Neurosurgery: Pediatrics, he wrote that 235 kg (520 pounds) or 2,300 newtons of force would be needed to crush a human skull, almost twice as much force as human hands could possibly muster."
PlayerRep said:
What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?
The.Real.2506
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PlayerRep said:
you need to skim more.
said it was Marcus Strongs (WSU CB) cousin, meaning that the thug must be Marcus's cousin.
She knew he played for a Montana school so assumed MSU
The.Real.2506
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he was being chased by three guys, its called a defensive posture, the thug was the aggressor at that pointPlayerRep said:
horribilisfan8184
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Initially, I would tend agree with you. The danger needing self defense had left the building. However, chasing after someone who has committed what looks like 3 assaults to detain for police may be a valid enterprise (citizens arrest theory). Even if considered cornered, if he again became aggressive then new ballgame. Sticky wicket for Strong either way.
indian-outlaw
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PDXGrizzly said:
I think it says falling to the ground after the first hit is what probably cracked his skull. That is a very serious condition.
http://static.lakana.com/bmg-kecitv-media-us-east-1/document_dev/2017/10/24/Affidavit%20of%20Probable%20Cause_1508870976791_9077338_ver1.0.pdf
PlayerRep said:
Boxing style punch from someone as fit as Strong can deliver 500 to 900 lbs of force. Apparently it has a lot to do with core strength. This is from actual boxers delivering the blow. While you or I could at best deliver 250 to 300, it is not unreasonable to assume that a D 1 safety is fit and strong enough to break the 500 lb line.
hilinegrizfan
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the cops are probably going to get 20 different stories from a bunch of drunk college kids that are trying to recall what happened at 2am... some stories may lean in different directions depending on relationships with the 2 people involved...either way... its a crapshoot
indian-outlaw said:
The affidavit is kind of damning. Whitnesses and a confession. At the very best, Strong is going to be off the team. It saddens me to see a young life (possibly two) ruined over a house party fight. It’s stupid. If Strong is charged and convicted, he will never lead a normal life. He will have a felony on his record. Worse, a violent felony. Most employers will not hire him for anything. Not to mention he would be expelled. Most colleges have trouble having violent felons as students. If this sticks... it’s a true tragedy. Another wasted young life.
59106Griz said:
Yep, all they have is testimony from the WSU side. it's my understanding they want to get other eye witness testimony, more than likely from Strong's friends. This is why no charges have been filed yet.
Fat Bruno said:
You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.
How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?
PDXGrizzly said:
It isn't really a confession. As I said earlier, what Strong "confessed" to will be trumped if he and his witnesses have a strong recollection of the self-defense elements.
I know this didn't occur, but if the WSU guy swung first, and Strong then decked him with one punch, and the guy fractured his skull when he hit the roadway, then there's no assault of any degree for Strong.
