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Stitt's Ego/Inflexibility

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Glendivegriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
I think it is growing pains with a new coach/system and a lack of overall talent and poor execution
Well, that's the chicken and egg argument.

At some point, is the coach responsible or is he never responsible?

Depends. At some point is Obama responsible or is he never responsible? :lol: ;)


I suspected Obamas' hand in this mess of a season. So essentially, we peaked game one and have been downhill since then because of the players. The problem is with that theory, if NDSU was the toughest and most talented team we face all season, and we win because of superior offensive genius, should we really expect against lesser opponents to struggle this much? Or could the NDSU game be a product of last season and now the coach has truly put his fingerprint on this team? We really will not know then for sure until the majority of the Delaney recruits are no longer on the field.

or could it be a product of NDSU playing a subpar game....
 
havgrizfan said:
People, I'm sure 75, included, were flat out in love after the NDSU game. But, drop a few and you know how it goes. The major resentment towards Stitt comes from a few local kids that aren't seeing the field. Not saying that's 75's casein particular, but it's pretty obvious that two local players who aren't getting to play have really caused a stir, and that tone comes out here on Egriz, even though no one will admit that's why they don't like Stitt.
I have no idea who "two local players" are. The only one I'm familiar with, Ben Roberts, is getting good playing time, and so I'm not seeing how "resentment" would be part of it.

My skepticism about the "90 Play" strategy is as I have discussed it. It's basic statistics. The more you repeat complex tasks, the greater the accumulation of error. That was a statistical rule before the NDSU game, and it remains so to this day. I was anxious to see the strategy implemented. It is merely interesting to me how it has played out. Stitt may still "have something" there, in that "error" is also cumulative for the opposing team. But, so far, it has rushed the QB and the team, and may itself be responsible for the overthrows and "miscommunications" that, in particular, plagued Brady, even though he's supposed to be the one that has it all figured out.

What is more interesting, though, is how each successive QB has a great first game, and then goes downhill with the increased emphasis on many, short plays. There is a consistent pattern there.

And the stats definitively show the changes in game plan, by the results. And, when that plan is implemented even by an experienced QB, the results are the same. Perhaps Ash was trying to copy Stitt -- that would be interesting! -- but the fact is, both teams have gone to the shorter throw, faster pace, and it really hasn't worked well -- regardless of OL, regardless of QB experience, and regardless of Coach. To me, that illuminates the strategy itself.

I think Stitt is a great hire. He's undoubtedly smart, and if he's as smart as I think he is, or he thinks he is, this will all get figured out. I'd like to see the number of talent casualties kept to a minimum while that happens.

I will note, in that regard, that while some are taking offense at comments about the coach, apparently it has become open season on certain players; something that would be more appropriate at Wombat Nation.
 
I do not think it is a Stitt thing , but a lack of talent. The key to the future is recruiting and that is a Stitt thing.
 
Many in this thread seem to downplay the reality that after the first game each QB played, the opposition had game film and was able to find their weakness. With Simis, it is clear that he does not excel at looking past his first option. This is similar to Kaepernick in the NFL, mobile QB, great arm, but teams figured out how to beat them. So if the offense can't get more complex, and the defense can key on the QBs weaknesses, then our ISU offense is basically what we get.

And the Oline is sub par. I don't care what anyone says, but when you are bad upfront it is impossible to be a "great" offense.
 
AZGrizFan said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
I think it is growing pains with a new coach/system and a lack of overall talent and poor execution
Well, that's the chicken and egg argument.

At some point, is the coach responsible or is he never responsible?

Depends. At some point is Obama responsible or is he never responsible? :lol: ;)

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grzz said:
Many in this thread seem to downplay the reality that after the first game each QB played, the opposition had game film and was able to find their weakness. With Simis, it is clear that he does not excel at looking past his first option. This is similar to Kaepernick in the NFL, mobile QB, great arm, but teams figured out how to beat them. So if the offense can't get more complex, and the defense can key on the QBs weaknesses, then our ISU offense is basically what we get.

And the Oline is sub par. I don't care what anyone says, but when you are bad upfront it is impossible to be a "great" offense.
Bingo. I can't even read the rest of this thread, just wanted to tune into the end to see what kind of buttf*** was going on.

This offense is going to be soooooo QB-oriented it's crazy. Teaching the entire slew of them in one offseason and then having the first two go down was bound to f*** everything up. Once Stitt is ESTABLISHED, this could be a machine. Note I said nothing about getting "his guys", it's just coaching up the players. Anyone calling for his head right now will be woefully eating their words with a thumb up their ass in two years.
 
grzz said:
Many in this thread seem to downplay the reality that after the first game each QB played, the opposition had game film and was able to find their weakness.
Well, then everybody has a great win the first game of the season! Right?

And everybody loses the second game because ... game film.
 
Read an interesting tweet from former player (for full disclosure) and not "sure" it is directed at Stitt....but makes me wonder. I will paraphrase (think it is close to verbatim but wont swear to it)

"so sad seniors playing so hard only to be held back by an ego"
 
brewskis said:
Once Stitt is ESTABLISHED, this could be a machine. Note I said nothing about getting "his guys", it's just coaching up the players. Anyone calling for his head right now will be woefully eating their words with a thumb up their ass in two years.

Couldn't he 'coach up' these guys?
This IS a machine, but right now the machine is an auger, not the space shuttle.
Not calling for his head. After all, Pflu set the bar for second year new system programs: playoff semi-finals. Ask again in 13 months. :lol:
 
grizcountry420 said:
I have no problem with Stitt. I find it amusing that people are calling for his head.. He's done all right considering what he has to work with. Just wait until next year at this time, you wont find anyone complaining about how he he coaches. Its only gonna get better.
Excellent post...
Same ole stupid fucks who wanted to boot Pflugrad after the first season....they'll all be singing a different tune when he gets this thing rolling...and he will.
 
stubbins said:
grizcountry420 said:
I have no problem with Stitt. I find it amusing that people are calling for his head.. He's done all right considering what he has to work with. Just wait until next year at this time, you wont find anyone complaining about how he he coaches. Its only gonna get better.
Excellent post...
Same ole stupid f***[*] who wanted to boot Pflugrad after the first season....they'll all be singing a different tune when he gets this thing rolling...and he will.

Stubbins sighting!
 
statler & waldorf said:
brewskis said:
Once Stitt is ESTABLISHED, this could be a machine. Note I said nothing about getting "his guys", it's just coaching up the players. Anyone calling for his head right now will be woefully eating their words with a thumb up their ass in two years.

Couldn't he 'coach up' these guys?
This IS a machine, but right now the machine is an auger, not the space shuttle.
Not calling for his head. After all, Pflu set the bar for second year new system programs: playoff semi-finals. Ask again in 13 months. :lol:
That could be comparing apples to oranges, Pflu and Stitt took over different teams and implemented different systems....the result could be the same, worse, or possibly better. Time will tell.

Also, if you expect a coach to be able to 'coach up' a Delaney team to a nationally top tier team in a couple months, while assembling a BRAND NEW COACHING STAFF there are maybe, 2-3 coaches in the nation at any level that could do that. We need to be patient.
 
brewskis said:
statler & waldorf said:
brewskis said:
Once Stitt is ESTABLISHED, this could be a machine. Note I said nothing about getting "his guys", it's just coaching up the players. Anyone calling for his head right now will be woefully eating their words with a thumb up their ass in two years.

Couldn't he 'coach up' these guys?
This IS a machine, but right now the machine is an auger, not the space shuttle.
Not calling for his head. After all, Pflu set the bar for second year new system programs: playoff semi-finals. Ask again in 13 months. :lol:
That could be comparing apples to oranges, Pflu and Stitt took over different teams and implemented different systems....the result could be the same, worse, or possibly better. Time will tell.

Also, if you expect a coach to be able to 'coach up' a Delaney team to a nationally top tier team in a couple months, while assembling a BRAND NEW COACHING STAFF there are maybe, 2-3 coaches in the nation at any level that could do that. We need to be patient.


Sweet Jesus. 100% accurate.
 
I will say I was highly critical of him not taking FG tries and going on 4th too.much. I think he has learned/adjusted. Didn't make the FG against ISU but was still the the right decision. Zone read with Simis keeping more seemed another good adjustment, without those runs offense would have really struggled at ISU. If Gus is not ready next week would love to see Lucas have a series or two (or situational ), he is a physical specimen for that zone read
 
We hired the wrong guy, Brewski? I'm on board with Stitt, just puzzled and frustrated at what has happened. Not like Kramer taking over a 25 year shitshow in Pokey. Stitt didn't start near the botton of the barrel.
 
brewskis said:
Also, if you expect a coach to be able to 'coach up' a Delaney team to a nationally top tier team in a couple months, while assembling a BRAND NEW COACHING STAFF there are maybe, 2-3 coaches in the nation at any level that could do that. We need to be patient.
Well, Ty Gregorak isn't really "brand new." One of Stitt's huge advantages is inheriting a strong defense and a very good defensive coach. For what difference it has made, it has made all the difference; and that's the "Delaney" part of this team still at work, and its been working pretty well .... just in case anyone thinks this is a BRAND NEW COACHING STAFF!
 
UMGriz75 said:
brewskis said:
Also, if you expect a coach to be able to 'coach up' a Delaney team to a nationally top tier team in a couple months, while assembling a BRAND NEW COACHING STAFF there are maybe, 2-3 coaches in the nation at any level that could do that. We need to be patient.
Well, Ty Gregorak isn't really "brand new." One of Stitt's huge advantages is inheriting a strong defense and a very good defensive coach. For what difference it has made, it has made all the difference; and that's the "Delaney" part of this team still at work, and its been working pretty well .... just in case anyone thinks this is a BRAND NEW COACHING STAFF!
Gregorak isn't the downfall of the delaney era by any means, recruiting on the offensive side of the ball was his issue. But still, this is a new staff. 3 holdovers from last year, Stitt brought 3 guys from CSM, and 3 coaches that weren't here at all last year. Plus, all but one offensive coach is new to Stitt's offense.

Additionally, Stitt had a pretty stout defense at CSM. If he wanted someone else I'm sure he would have found someone that worked just great. Keeping Ty was the right move though.
 
grizinmt said:
Remarkably civil discussion ... about football! Glad I stayed up past my bedtime to tune in.
Well we know recruit's families browse this forum, not openly bashing our HC might be a good idea.
 
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