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Stitt Putting His Stamp on Montana

AZGrizFan said:
XxSpectrexX said:
AZGrizFan said:
fanofzoo said:
"Also good to hear Stitt has a presence in Texas. I'd love to see us steal a few TX recruits from the Cats".

WHY, so we could fold in Nov. like you know who.
:lol: :lol:

True. I don't want the cat recruits. I'd like some OTHER recruits from down here though! :thumb:

Like who? With so many universities down there from TCU, Baylor, Texas, SMU, Rice, all the way down to schools like SFA, or even TLU... it'd be hard to see someone scholarship worthy not being offered in Texas. You guys easily have like 12- 18 D1 schools and who knows how many D2 and D3 and NAIA. You guys should have a headache figuring out who to watch on Saturdays. Then again... Oklahoma manages to steal a ton of your kids!

There were two kids just from my daughter's high school this year, BOTH FCS-level talent, BOTH of whom ended up at small college (as in D-II, D-III) programs. There's WAY more talent down here than can be sucked up by the relatively small number of colleges in Texas....Hell, Texas has 25 MILLION people.

This. It is hard for many to imagine the sheer number of talented football players in the state of Texas. I certainly didn't until I moved down here. Despite filling the ranks of all the D1 schools in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas/K-State...and others, there are still kids under-recruited in my opinion. Many of the kids in the videos below will be undersigned to small schools in Texas. I'd like to see a few of them play for the Griz.

http://www.hudl.com/team/19543/highlights/33011823
 
There were two kids just from my daughter's high school this year, BOTH FCS-level talent, BOTH of whom ended up at small college (as in D-II, D-III) programs. There's WAY more talent down here than can be sucked up by the relatively small number of colleges in Texas....Hell, Texas has 25 MILLION people.[/quote]

This. It is hard for many to imagine the sheer number of talented football players in the state of Texas. I certainly didn't until I moved down here. Despite filling the ranks of all the D1 schools in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas/K-State...and others, there are still kids under-recruited in my opinion. Many of the kids in the videos below will be undersigned to small schools in Texas. I'd like to see a few of them play for the Griz.

http://www.hudl.com/team/19543/highlights/33011823[/quote]

Not to start an argument, so let's be objective San Antonio for instance has 155 high schools. Montana (the entire state) has 166. Dallas has 138, this excludes the surrounding cities that have their own... The sheer number of scholarships available per athlete is way too few for you guys, BUT lets say that out of those cities programs there are no more than two really good athletes per team on average and one exceptional athlete per district that by sheer skill, luck, or being on the dominant team and get to look like they are just that good. I know you guys live and die football, but are there really that many true studs out there? From my experience 90% of the kids on any team are average players, 8% are good, 1% is eye catching and the remaining 1% is that kid that could play blind folded and score...just because you have a zillion players down there doesn't mean you have a zillion athletes. Now at our camp there was a kid that came from Texas that was discussed on another thread and I found out who he was, he was very dominant, very fast and kind of had his way with the other teams when they played. I think he's one of those top 2%, because 1. he actually came all the way up here for camp and only a serious kid does things like that and 2. America is America, no matter where you are, or are from football is football and unless you guys put steroids in the tap water kids are still kids. So what gives? If Texas was that talent rich, everyone would just go recruit down there and not at home.
 
Not to start an argument, so let's be objective San Antonio for instance has 155 high schools. Montana (the entire state) has 166. Dallas has 138, this excludes the surrounding cities that have their own... The sheer number of scholarships available per athlete is way too few for you guys, BUT lets say that out of those cities programs there are no more than two really good athletes per team on average and one exceptional athlete per district that by sheer skill, luck, or being on the dominant team and get to look like they are just that good. I know you guys live and die football, but are there really that many true studs out there? From my experience 90% of the kids on any team are average players, 8% are good, 1% is eye catching and the remaining 1% is that kid that could play blind folded and score...just because you have a zillion players down there doesn't mean you have a zillion athletes. Now at our camp there was a kid that came from Texas that was discussed on another thread and I found out who he was, he was very dominant, very fast and kind of had his way with the other teams when they played. I think he's one of those top 2%, because 1. he actually came all the way up here for camp and only a serious kid does things like that and 2. America is America, no matter where you are, or are from football is football and unless you guys put steroids in the tap water kids are still kids. So what gives? If Texas was that talent rich, everyone would just go recruit down there and not at home.
 
Soldiergriz...Not to start an argument, so let's be objective San Antonio for instance has 155 high schools. Montana (the entire state) has 166. Dallas has 138, this excludes the surrounding cities that have their own... The sheer number of scholarships available per athlete is way too few for you guys, BUT lets say that out of those cities programs there are no more than two really good athletes per team on average and one exceptional athlete per district that by sheer skill, luck, or being on the dominant team and get to look like they are just that good. I know you guys live and die football, but are there really that many true studs out there? From my experience 90% of the kids on any team are average players, 8% are good, 1% is eye catching and the remaining 1% is that kid that could play blind folded and score...just because you have a zillion players down there doesn't mean you have a zillion athletes. Now at our camp there was a kid that came from Texas that was discussed on another thread and I found out who he was, he was very dominant, very fast and kind of had his way with the other teams when they played. I think he's one of those top 2%, because 1. he actually came all the way up here for camp and only a serious kid does things like that and 2. America is America, no matter where you are, or are from football is football and unless you guys put steroids in the tap water kids are still kids. So what gives? If Texas was that talent rich, everyone would just go recruit down there and not at home.
 
XxSpectrexX said:
Soldiergriz...Not to start an argument, so let's be objective San Antonio for instance has 155 high schools. Montana (the entire state) has 166. Dallas has 138, this excludes the surrounding cities that have their own... The sheer number of scholarships available per athlete is way too few for you guys, BUT lets say that out of those cities programs there are no more than two really good athletes per team on average and one exceptional athlete per district that by sheer skill, luck, or being on the dominant team and get to look like they are just that good. I know you guys live and die football, but are there really that many true studs out there? From my experience 90% of the kids on any team are average players, 8% are good, 1% is eye catching and the remaining 1% is that kid that could play blind folded and score...just because you have a zillion players down there doesn't mean you have a zillion athletes. Now at our camp there was a kid that came from Texas that was discussed on another thread and I found out who he was, he was very dominant, very fast and kind of had his way with the other teams when they played. I think he's one of those top 2%, because 1. he actually came all the way up here for camp and only a serious kid does things like that and 2. America is America, no matter where you are, or are from football is football and unless you guys put steroids in the tap water kids are still kids. So what gives? If Texas was that talent rich, everyone would just go recruit down there and not at home.

Everyone DOES come recruit down here. Every year Texas leads the nation in # of FBS football recruits. This quote is from 2013, but it remains relevant to this day:

The national average signing day class is a fraction over 19 commits (and also very stable), which means that Texas annually produces enough players to fill about 18 recruiting classes, Florida produces enough for 16-17 average classes, and California kicks in another twelve or thirteen. Combined, the Big Three have produced just under 40% of all FBS signees over the past six years, and add in Georgia and Ohio and a full 50% of FBS signees come from just these six states.

Not sure where your experience comes from, but my daughter went to Reagan HS here in San Antonio. Reagan is a 6A-1 school (biggest division), and was a quarterfinalist in the playoffs this year. On JUST this team there were 6-8 players who would ALL be All State in Montana--and the team was relatively young (starting QB was a sophomore). Yet of the seniors, only ONE went to an FBS school, 2 went D-II, 2 went D-III and 1 went unsigned (perhaps didn't want to pursue football, I'm not sure).

In Texas a MUCH higher % than 10% are above average players. Texas has 1,869 high schools--at 90 players per team that's an estimated 165,000 varsity football players. 2% of that is over 3,000 potential recruits. In 2015 alone Texas had over 1300 (think about that for a minute) 3/4/5 star recruits!! The only other state even close is Florida. Yes, there's 12 FBS schools in Texas. Yes there's another 8-10 FCS schools. But Texas has the 5th highest concentration of 3+ star athletes per FBS school in the country.

So, 1300 3/4/5 star players....but only about 350-400 signed by FBS schools on an annual basis. That's a ton of overlooked talent in this state...simply because of the sheer volume of players. It's much more difficult to really stand out. The .1% stand out, and are fairly easy to identify--many of the rest end up under the radar...and Stitt having a pipeline into this state means nothing but good things as far as I'm concerned.
 
coaches Hall, Swett and Selle have all gotten married in the last few weeks. Stitt put something in the water in Missoula?
 
grizcountry420 said:
Yukon said:
coaches Hall, Swett and Selle have all gotten married in the last few weeks. Stitt put something in the water in Missoula?

Crazy! People still get married these days?

:?

Rest assured, there were at least 3 couples divorced in Missoula during that time. :thumb:
 
mtgrizrule said:
grizcountry420 said:
Yukon said:
coaches Hall, Swett and Selle have all gotten married in the last few weeks. Stitt put something in the water in Missoula?

Crazy! People still get married these days?

:?

Rest assured, there were at least 3 couples divorced in Missoula during that time. :thumb:

Thanks, Ill be able to sleep good tonight knowing that..

;)
 
AZGrizFan said:
XxSpectrexX said:
Soldiergriz...Not to start an argument, so let's be objective San Antonio for instance has 155 high schools. Montana (the entire state) has 166. Dallas has 138, this excludes the surrounding cities that have their own... The sheer number of scholarships available per athlete is way too few for you guys, BUT lets say that out of those cities programs there are no more than two really good athletes per team on average and one exceptional athlete per district that by sheer skill, luck, or being on the dominant team and get to look like they are just that good. I know you guys live and die football, but are there really that many true studs out there? From my experience 90% of the kids on any team are average players, 8% are good, 1% is eye catching and the remaining 1% is that kid that could play blind folded and score...just because you have a zillion players down there doesn't mean you have a zillion athletes. Now at our camp there was a kid that came from Texas that was discussed on another thread and I found out who he was, he was very dominant, very fast and kind of had his way with the other teams when they played. I think he's one of those top 2%, because 1. he actually came all the way up here for camp and only a serious kid does things like that and 2. America is America, no matter where you are, or are from football is football and unless you guys put steroids in the tap water kids are still kids. So what gives? If Texas was that talent rich, everyone would just go recruit down there and not at home.

Everyone DOES come recruit down here. Every year Texas leads the nation in # of FBS football recruits. This quote is from 2013, but it remains relevant to this day:

The national average signing day class is a fraction over 19 commits (and also very stable), which means that Texas annually produces enough players to fill about 18 recruiting classes, Florida produces enough for 16-17 average classes, and California kicks in another twelve or thirteen. Combined, the Big Three have produced just under 40% of all FBS signees over the past six years, and add in Georgia and Ohio and a full 50% of FBS signees come from just these six states.

Not sure where your experience comes from, but my daughter went to Reagan HS here in San Antonio. Reagan is a 6A-1 school (biggest division), and was a quarterfinalist in the playoffs this year. On JUST this team there were 6-8 players who would ALL be All State in Montana--and the team was relatively young (starting QB was a sophomore). Yet of the seniors, only ONE went to an FBS school, 2 went D-II, 2 went D-III and 1 went unsigned (perhaps didn't want to pursue football, I'm not sure).

In Texas a MUCH higher % than 10% are above average players. Texas has 1,869 high schools--at 90 players per team that's an estimated 165,000 varsity football players. 2% of that is over 3,000 potential recruits. In 2015 alone Texas had over 1300 (think about that for a minute) 3/4/5 star recruits!! The only other state even close is Florida. Yes, there's 12 FBS schools in Texas. Yes there's another 8-10 FCS schools. But Texas has the 5th highest concentration of 3+ star athletes per FBS school in the country.

So, 1300 3/4/5 star players....but only about 350-400 signed by FBS schools on an annual basis. That's a ton of overlooked talent in this state...simply because of the sheer volume of players. It's much more difficult to really stand out. The .1% stand out, and are fairly easy to identify--many of the rest end up under the radar...and Stitt having a pipeline into this state means nothing but good things as far as I'm concerned.

You have facts to support your claim and if 165,000 kids are playing varsity ball, then I concede. Personally I hope that we get the overflow of talented players,to include the kid who came up to camp if he doesn't go elsewhere. So out of the 90 or so kids on a team, how many are FBS, FCS quality... I don't mean potentially, I mean highly distinguishable to the point where they could worst case scenario grey or red shirt, learn the system and play the following season and make an impact?
 
AZGrizFan said:
XxSpectrexX said:
Soldiergriz...Not to start an argument, so let's be objective San Antonio for instance has 155 high schools. Montana (the entire state) has 166. Dallas has 138, this excludes the surrounding cities that have their own... The sheer number of scholarships available per athlete is way too few for you guys, BUT lets say that out of those cities programs there are no more than two really good athletes per team on average and one exceptional athlete per district that by sheer skill, luck, or being on the dominant team and get to look like they are just that good. I know you guys live and die football, but are there really that many true studs out there? From my experience 90% of the kids on any team are average players, 8% are good, 1% is eye catching and the remaining 1% is that kid that could play blind folded and score...just because you have a zillion players down there doesn't mean you have a zillion athletes. Now at our camp there was a kid that came from Texas that was discussed on another thread and I found out who he was, he was very dominant, very fast and kind of had his way with the other teams when they played. I think he's one of those top 2%, because 1. he actually came all the way up here for camp and only a serious kid does things like that and 2. America is America, no matter where you are, or are from football is football and unless you guys put steroids in the tap water kids are still kids. So what gives? If Texas was that talent rich, everyone would just go recruit down there and not at home.

Everyone DOES come recruit down here. Every year Texas leads the nation in # of FBS football recruits. This quote is from 2013, but it remains relevant to this day:

The national average signing day class is a fraction over 19 commits (and also very stable), which means that Texas annually produces enough players to fill about 18 recruiting classes, Florida produces enough for 16-17 average classes, and California kicks in another twelve or thirteen. Combined, the Big Three have produced just under 40% of all FBS signees over the past six years, and add in Georgia and Ohio and a full 50% of FBS signees come from just these six states.

Not sure where your experience comes from, but my daughter went to Reagan HS here in San Antonio. Reagan is a 6A-1 school (biggest division), and was a quarterfinalist in the playoffs this year. On JUST this team there were 6-8 players who would ALL be All State in Montana--and the team was relatively young (starting QB was a sophomore). Yet of the seniors, only ONE went to an FBS school, 2 went D-II, 2 went D-III and 1 went unsigned (perhaps didn't want to pursue football, I'm not sure).

In Texas a MUCH higher % than 10% are above average players. Texas has 1,869 high schools--at 90 players per team that's an estimated 165,000 varsity football players. 2% of that is over 3,000 potential recruits. In 2015 alone Texas had over 1300 (think about that for a minute) 3/4/5 star recruits!! The only other state even close is Florida. Yes, there's 12 FBS schools in Texas. Yes there's another 8-10 FCS schools. But Texas has the 5th highest concentration of 3+ star athletes per FBS school in the country.

So, 1300 3/4/5 star players....but only about 350-400 signed by FBS schools on an annual basis. That's a ton of overlooked talent in this state...simply because of the sheer volume of players. It's much more difficult to really stand out. The .1% stand out, and are fairly easy to identify--many of the rest end up under the radar...and Stitt having a pipeline into this state means nothing but good things as far as I'm concerned.


Looks like you stepped on your hooter with this post, AZGrizFan. You were spouting off about how many posters from the state of Arizona don't like me, and you don't even freakin' live in the state! Another one of your lies. I am a mainstay at O'Sullivan's Sports Bar in Mesa for every Griz game that I don't attend in person. I usually sit with about 20 Griz fans, several who post on here. They are my buddies. Nice try, numb skull.
 
grizcountry420 said:
mtgrizrule said:
grizcountry420 said:
Yukon said:
coaches Hall, Swett and Selle have all gotten married in the last few weeks. Stitt put something in the water in Missoula?

Crazy! People still get married these days?

:?

Rest assured, there were at least 3 couples divorced in Missoula during that time. :thumb:

Thanks, Ill be able to sleep good tonight knowing that..

;)

And 2 of them have some junk in the trunk, I know that's in your wheelhouse.
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
AZGrizFan said:
XxSpectrexX said:
Soldiergriz...Not to start an argument, so let's be objective San Antonio for instance has 155 high schools. Montana (the entire state) has 166. Dallas has 138, this excludes the surrounding cities that have their own... The sheer number of scholarships available per athlete is way too few for you guys, BUT lets say that out of those cities programs there are no more than two really good athletes per team on average and one exceptional athlete per district that by sheer skill, luck, or being on the dominant team and get to look like they are just that good. I know you guys live and die football, but are there really that many true studs out there? From my experience 90% of the kids on any team are average players, 8% are good, 1% is eye catching and the remaining 1% is that kid that could play blind folded and score...just because you have a zillion players down there doesn't mean you have a zillion athletes. Now at our camp there was a kid that came from Texas that was discussed on another thread and I found out who he was, he was very dominant, very fast and kind of had his way with the other teams when they played. I think he's one of those top 2%, because 1. he actually came all the way up here for camp and only a serious kid does things like that and 2. America is America, no matter where you are, or are from football is football and unless you guys put steroids in the tap water kids are still kids. So what gives? If Texas was that talent rich, everyone would just go recruit down there and not at home.

Everyone DOES come recruit down here. Every year Texas leads the nation in # of FBS football recruits. This quote is from 2013, but it remains relevant to this day:

The national average signing day class is a fraction over 19 commits (and also very stable), which means that Texas annually produces enough players to fill about 18 recruiting classes, Florida produces enough for 16-17 average classes, and California kicks in another twelve or thirteen. Combined, the Big Three have produced just under 40% of all FBS signees over the past six years, and add in Georgia and Ohio and a full 50% of FBS signees come from just these six states.

Not sure where your experience comes from, but my daughter went to Reagan HS here in San Antonio. Reagan is a 6A-1 school (biggest division), and was a quarterfinalist in the playoffs this year. On JUST this team there were 6-8 players who would ALL be All State in Montana--and the team was relatively young (starting QB was a sophomore). Yet of the seniors, only ONE went to an FBS school, 2 went D-II, 2 went D-III and 1 went unsigned (perhaps didn't want to pursue football, I'm not sure).

In Texas a MUCH higher % than 10% are above average players. Texas has 1,869 high schools--at 90 players per team that's an estimated 165,000 varsity football players. 2% of that is over 3,000 potential recruits. In 2015 alone Texas had over 1300 (think about that for a minute) 3/4/5 star recruits!! The only other state even close is Florida. Yes, there's 12 FBS schools in Texas. Yes there's another 8-10 FCS schools. But Texas has the 5th highest concentration of 3+ star athletes per FBS school in the country.

So, 1300 3/4/5 star players....but only about 350-400 signed by FBS schools on an annual basis. That's a ton of overlooked talent in this state...simply because of the sheer volume of players. It's much more difficult to really stand out. The .1% stand out, and are fairly easy to identify--many of the rest end up under the radar...and Stitt having a pipeline into this state means nothing but good things as far as I'm concerned.


Looks like you stepped on your hooter with this post, AZGrizFan. You were spouting off about how many posters from the state of Arizona don't like me, and you don't even freakin' live in the state! Another one of your lies. I am a mainstay at O'Sullivan's Sports Bar in Mesa for every Griz game that I don't attend in person. I usually sit with about 20 Griz fans, several who post on here. They are my buddies. Nice try, numb skull.
:lol: :lol:

You are a complete tool bag. If you spent more time on this board and less time in ban-land, you'd know I moved from the Scottsdale area about 2 years ago. And, WTF? I finally post a football-related post and THIS is your response? You are a real piece of work.
 
XxSpectrexX said:
AZGrizFan said:
XxSpectrexX said:
Soldiergriz...Not to start an argument, so let's be objective San Antonio for instance has 155 high schools. Montana (the entire state) has 166. Dallas has 138, this excludes the surrounding cities that have their own... The sheer number of scholarships available per athlete is way too few for you guys, BUT lets say that out of those cities programs there are no more than two really good athletes per team on average and one exceptional athlete per district that by sheer skill, luck, or being on the dominant team and get to look like they are just that good. I know you guys live and die football, but are there really that many true studs out there? From my experience 90% of the kids on any team are average players, 8% are good, 1% is eye catching and the remaining 1% is that kid that could play blind folded and score...just because you have a zillion players down there doesn't mean you have a zillion athletes. Now at our camp there was a kid that came from Texas that was discussed on another thread and I found out who he was, he was very dominant, very fast and kind of had his way with the other teams when they played. I think he's one of those top 2%, because 1. he actually came all the way up here for camp and only a serious kid does things like that and 2. America is America, no matter where you are, or are from football is football and unless you guys put steroids in the tap water kids are still kids. So what gives? If Texas was that talent rich, everyone would just go recruit down there and not at home.

Everyone DOES come recruit down here. Every year Texas leads the nation in # of FBS football recruits. This quote is from 2013, but it remains relevant to this day:

The national average signing day class is a fraction over 19 commits (and also very stable), which means that Texas annually produces enough players to fill about 18 recruiting classes, Florida produces enough for 16-17 average classes, and California kicks in another twelve or thirteen. Combined, the Big Three have produced just under 40% of all FBS signees over the past six years, and add in Georgia and Ohio and a full 50% of FBS signees come from just these six states.

Not sure where your experience comes from, but my daughter went to Reagan HS here in San Antonio. Reagan is a 6A-1 school (biggest division), and was a quarterfinalist in the playoffs this year. On JUST this team there were 6-8 players who would ALL be All State in Montana--and the team was relatively young (starting QB was a sophomore). Yet of the seniors, only ONE went to an FBS school, 2 went D-II, 2 went D-III and 1 went unsigned (perhaps didn't want to pursue football, I'm not sure).

In Texas a MUCH higher % than 10% are above average players. Texas has 1,869 high schools--at 90 players per team that's an estimated 165,000 varsity football players. 2% of that is over 3,000 potential recruits. In 2015 alone Texas had over 1300 (think about that for a minute) 3/4/5 star recruits!! The only other state even close is Florida. Yes, there's 12 FBS schools in Texas. Yes there's another 8-10 FCS schools. But Texas has the 5th highest concentration of 3+ star athletes per FBS school in the country.

So, 1300 3/4/5 star players....but only about 350-400 signed by FBS schools on an annual basis. That's a ton of overlooked talent in this state...simply because of the sheer volume of players. It's much more difficult to really stand out. The .1% stand out, and are fairly easy to identify--many of the rest end up under the radar...and Stitt having a pipeline into this state means nothing but good things as far as I'm concerned.

You have facts to support your claim and if 165,000 kids are playing varsity ball, then I concede. Personally I hope that we get the overflow of talented players,to include the kid who came up to camp if he doesn't go elsewhere. So out of the 90 or so kids on a team, how many are FBS, FCS quality... I don't mean potentially, I mean highly distinguishable to the point where they could worst case scenario grey or red shirt, learn the system and play the following season and make an impact?

Whether the 165,000 is accurate or not (admittedly I got that number by multiplying 1869 HS's x 90/varsity team), the 1,300 3/4/5 star recruits is verifiable fact. Also verifiable is that only 350-375 of those sign with FBS schools--a 5-year historical trend that's pretty stable. That means roughly 800-850 (probably mostly 3 star) kids that fall to FCS programs. That's a LOT of talent....
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I am a mainstay at O'Sullivan's Sports Bar in Mesa for every Griz game that I don't attend in person. I usually sit with about 20 Griz fans, several who post on here. They are my buddies. Nice try, numb skull.

Then name them. Its as simple as that!
 
statler & waldorf said:
Tried that twice yesterday, Hammer. Phfffft! Wonder why eGriz hasn't been overloaded with posts supporting their good buddy?

Hate to break the news to you guys. He considers all his aliases his friends. :thumb:
 
Hammer said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I am a mainstay at O'Sullivan's Sports Bar in Mesa for every Griz game that I don't attend in person. I usually sit with about 20 Griz fans, several who post on here. They are my buddies. Nice try, numb skull.

Then name them. Its as simple as that!

Yet, in a previous post, of the four he DID name, two PM'ed me denying any knowledge of who he is and one vouched for ME, and not him. Delusion reigns supreme... :lol:
 
AZGrizFan said:
Hammer said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I am a mainstay at O'Sullivan's Sports Bar in Mesa for every Griz game that I don't attend in person. I usually sit with about 20 Griz fans, several who post on here. They are my buddies. Nice try, numb skull.

Then name them. Its as simple as that!

Yet, in a previous post, of the four he DID name, two PM'ed me denying any knowledge of who he is and one vouched for ME, and not him. Delusion reigns supreme... :lol:

Ha! Sometimes I really think we should lay off him because he clearly isn't well upstairs. I mean, we wouldn't poke fun at Sybil. But then again, when all of his personalities are complete dickholes, he probably deserves the treatment he gets here.
 
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