Stitt named one of the best.....

[CDAGRIZ]

Until Coach Stitt wins a NC, it's all hype, now.

Hauck was all hype? C'mon, Davey deuce.

Hauck was hyped due to his record. Coach Stitt still has to establish that record. Then the hype is not hype. Stitt knows that, if you don't. Besides, NDSU achieved what I don't think even the Griz can achieve as much as I wish them to. But, we will see, won't we?

So was Hauck all hype because he didn't win a NC? Because, that's what you said. You can change what you said if you want, but that's what you said.

 

[Grizzoola]

Until Coach Stitt wins a NC, it's all hype, now.

Hauck was all hype? C'mon, Davey deuce.

Hauck was hyped due to his record. Coach Stitt still has to establish that record. Then the hype is not hype. Stitt knows that, if you don't. Besides, NDSU achieved what I don't think even the Griz can achieve as much as I wish them to. But, we will see, won't we?

So was Hauck all hype because he didn't win a NC? Because, that's what you said. You can change what you said if you want, but that's what you said.

Where did I say Hauck was all hype because he didn't win a NC? What I said was, Hauck was hyped BECAUSE of his excellent record, despite the fact he didn't win a NC. All I'm saying is wait until Stitt has a similar record; then the hype will have a foundation.

You can talk about offensive genius, genius this or that. It all depends on the W/L record, proof on the field. At Mines, he was an offensive innovator. At UM with higher level of talent, it remains to be seen, and I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt.

I must admit, like many on here, that I was mildly surprised, and pleased, that the Griz went as far in the playoffs as they did, with all the uncertainty when the season began and the adversity during the season. But, I believe "offensive genius" is a stretch at this point.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

David, you said, and I quote, "it's all hype now" [until Stitt wins a national championship]. That's what you said. It's in the record. Would you like me to have the court reporter read it back to you? Your honor, I request permission to treat this witness as an adverse witness.

 

[UMGriz75]

You can talk about offensive genius, genius this or that. It all depends on the W/L record, proof on the field. At Mines, he was an offensive innovator. At UM with higher level of talent, it remains to be seen, and I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt.

I must admit, like many on here, that I was mildly surprised, and pleased, that the Griz went as far in the playoffs as they did, with all the uncertainty when the season began and the adversity during the season. But, I believe "offensive genius" is a stretch at this point.

The facts remain that:

1) Rob Ash had a better record at Montana State in nine years than Bob Stitt had at Colorado School of Mines over 15 years, including both win/loss records and conference championships.

2) Bob Stitt lost 9 of 15 outings to his conference rival Chadron State, a 2,500 student school located in the desolate Pine Ridge countryside of Nebraska, including one 55-0 stinker.

3) The year (2012) he got national attention for his "fly sweep," was also the season he went 4-5 in Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference play.

4) In his final three years at Mines, Bob Stitt did achieve a 70% conference record. Mick Delaney's three years at UM resulted in a 75% conference record.

5) There was virtually no "offensive" anything this past season against conference doormat Cal Poly, Liberty, Weber, or NDSU #2. When Stitt did do some things differently, such as against a credible UND, the result was very good, as it was when he employed a running game against ISU until he almost gave that one away, he admitted, by slowing the game down to preserve the lead, resulting instead in OT and a UM recovery that was a miracle especially since it was singularly responsible for getting into the playoffs.

6) I doubt there is anything from this past season that can be said to be unique or remarkable about the Grizzly offense, except perhaps the record-setting UND game, although certainly the SDSU game was credible.

The attention he has gotten from well-known coaches has been in regard to his ability to innovate "plays" and the testimony of credible coaches is that he is an innovative "offensive play" designer, although all I can find is reference to just two plays that have attracted attention out of his 20+ year career. There have been few references to his overall coaching skills, aside from the "Mines" record itself.

Objectively, most of what is said about Stitt is "hype." However, he is a smart guy, and undoubtedly knows that this is a lifetime opportunity. UM is a natural magnet for assistant coaches and player talent. The "program" has carried coaches beyond their career abilities more than once, and the "program," combined with a reasonably good coach, can and will go far. But, like any $300,000 coach, he needs to prove it, and if he does it ought to be an exciting ride.

 

[George Ferguson]

Holy moly you are obsessed like nothing I've ever seen on this board

 

[getgrizzy]

Holy moly you are obsessed like nothing I've ever seen on this board

But if he was agreeing with you, then it'd be post of the year material. :roll: Don't even try to say I'm not right.

 

[George Ferguson]

Nope, never aksed anyone to agree with me. I guess in other words, I am actually saying you're not right

 

[get'em_griz]

Where this thread is clearly headed...

 

[UMGriz75]

Holy moly you are obsessed like nothing I've ever seen on this board

I think I come in second to your obsession with my posts. Mostly, those are just facts, a reasonably dry recitation of them, indeed, that is probably what actually offends you: the "hype" is missing. And the "hype" is what obsesses you. There are reasonable expectations made of coaches, based on real records, and unreasonable expectations made of coaches, based on "hype" -- a "hype" generated often enough by media persons such as yourself trying to create a "story." And that's fine, and "hype" is kind of what drives some sports fans. I'm just not a fan of it myself. The biggest headache for a good coach is unreasonable expectations created by people like you. On the other hand, "hype" such as the thread link brings attention to UM, although I'm not sure of the qualifications of whoever made the assessment. But, it surely can't hurt the program or recruiting.

 

[HookedonGriz]

You can talk about offensive genius, genius this or that. It all depends on the W/L record, proof on the field. At Mines, he was an offensive innovator. At UM with higher level of talent, it remains to be seen, and I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt.

I must admit, like many on here, that I was mildly surprised, and pleased, that the Griz went as far in the playoffs as they did, with all the uncertainty when the season began and the adversity during the season. But, I believe "offensive genius" is a stretch at this point.

The facts remain that:

1) Rob Ash had a better record at Montana State in nine years than Bob Stitt had at Colorado School of Mines over 15 years, including both win/loss records and conference championships.

2) Bob Stitt lost 9 of 15 outings to his conference rival Chadron State, a 2,500 student school located in the desolate Pine Ridge countryside of Nebraska, including one 55-0 stinker.

3) The year (2012) he got national attention for his "fly sweep," was also the season he went 4-5 in Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference play.

4) In his final three years at Mines, Bob Stitt did achieve a 70% conference record. Mick Delaney's three years at UM resulted in a 75% conference record.

5) There was virtually no "offensive" anything this past season against conference doormat Cal Poly, Liberty, Weber, or NDSU #2. When Stitt did do some things differently, such as against a credible UND, the result was very good, as it was when he employed a running game against ISU until he almost gave that one away, he admitted, by slowing the game down to preserve the lead, resulting instead in OT and a UM recovery that was a miracle especially since it was singularly responsible for getting into the playoffs.

6) I doubt there is anything from this past season that can be said to be unique or remarkable about the Grizzly offense, except perhaps the record-setting UND game, although certainly the SDSU game was credible.

The attention he has gotten from well-known coaches has been in regard to his ability to innovate "plays" and the testimony of credible coaches is that he is an innovative "offensive play" designer, although all I can find is reference to just two plays that have attracted attention out of his 20+ year career. There have been few references to his overall coaching skills, aside from the "Mines" record itself.

Objectively, most of what is said about Stitt is "hype." However, he is a smart guy, and undoubtedly knows that this is a lifetime opportunity. UM is a natural magnet for assistant coaches and player talent. The "program" has carried coaches beyond their career abilities more than once, and the "program," combined with a reasonably good coach, can and will go far. But, like any $300,000 coach, he needs to prove it, and if he does it ought to be an exciting ride.

Everything you just mentioned that he accomplished at Mines was the equivalent of a Christmas Miracle. Any coach besides Stitt would have failed miserably there. His coaching expertise and the people he surrounded himself with was the only reason Mines was able to out up the numbers you just mentioned. Glad you could give credit where credit is due, Mr. Simis.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

You can talk about offensive genius, genius this or that. It all depends on the W/L record, proof on the field. At Mines, he was an offensive innovator. At UM with higher level of talent, it remains to be seen, and I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt.

I must admit, like many on here, that I was mildly surprised, and pleased, that the Griz went as far in the playoffs as they did, with all the uncertainty when the season began and the adversity during the season. But, I believe "offensive genius" is a stretch at this point.

The facts remain that:

1) Rob Ash had a better record at Montana State in nine years than Bob Stitt had at Colorado School of Mines over 15 years, including both win/loss records and conference championships.

2) Bob Stitt lost 9 of 15 outings to his conference rival Chadron State, a 2,500 student school located in the desolate Pine Ridge countryside of Nebraska, including one 55-0 stinker.

3) The year (2012) he got national attention for his "fly sweep," was also the season he went 4-5 in Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference play.

4) In his final three years at Mines, Bob Stitt did achieve a 70% conference record. Mick Delaney's three years at UM resulted in a 75% conference record.

5) There was virtually no "offensive" anything this past season against conference doormat Cal Poly, Liberty, Weber, or NDSU #2. When Stitt did do some things differently, such as against a credible UND, the result was very good, as it was when he employed a running game against ISU until he almost gave that one away, he admitted, by slowing the game down to preserve the lead, resulting instead in OT and a UM recovery that was a miracle especially since it was singularly responsible for getting into the playoffs.

6) I doubt there is anything from this past season that can be said to be unique or remarkable about the Grizzly offense, except perhaps the record-setting UND game, although certainly the SDSU game was credible.

The attention he has gotten from well-known coaches has been in regard to his ability to innovate "plays" and the testimony of credible coaches is that he is an innovative "offensive play" designer, although all I can find is reference to just two plays that have attracted attention out of his 20+ year career. There have been few references to his overall coaching skills, aside from the "Mines" record itself.

Objectively, most of what is said about Stitt is "hype." However, he is a smart guy, and undoubtedly knows that this is a lifetime opportunity. UM is a natural magnet for assistant coaches and player talent. The "program" has carried coaches beyond their career abilities more than once, and the "program," combined with a reasonably good coach, can and will go far. But, like any $300,000 coach, he needs to prove it, and if he does it ought to be an exciting ride.

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[uofmman1122]

 

[UMGriz75]

Everything you just mentioned that he accomplished at Mines was the equivalent of a Christmas Miracle. Any coach besides Stitt would have failed miserably there. His coaching expertise and the people he surrounded himself with was the only reason Mines was able to out up the numbers you just mentioned. Glad you could give credit where credit is due, Mr. Simis.

Well, that's quite a stretch.

I can appreciate that he operated under handicaps, such as having really intelligent players, runners that could put up 1,000 yards and a bigger budget than just about any of the RMAC schools, and therefore did not produce a stunning record. That doesn't mean he produced a stunning record. Losing 9 out of 15 to Chadron State hardly suggests, for instance, that Chadron State had all the advantages. :roll: Let's be real. Chadron State is smaller than Missoula County High School and doesn't have much reputation for anything except being near the "Pine Ridge Shootout." Colorado School of Mines is a top-tier school.

Before you get rolling on the "excuse and handicap" train, recall that, after all, Rob Ash produced a better record, and he coached at MSU! :twisted: Explain that handicap!

I'm all in favor of Bob Stitt as coach at UM. I just don't see the need to pretend that a very good but not unprecedented previous record is actually remarkable because it "could" have been much worse under a different coach. I see where your fan needs are taking you, but you are trying to say that something that didn't happen means that it absolutely would've happened under different circumstances. I"m sure we could say the same about WWII, but facts are still facts. You don't like them, that's the only problem here.

Stitt brings lots of enthusiasm and experience to the job, and the program has a great engine. It may prove to be a terrific combination.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Everything you just mentioned that he accomplished at Mines was the equivalent of a Christmas Miracle. Any coach besides Stitt would have failed miserably there. His coaching expertise and the people he surrounded himself with was the only reason Mines was able to out up the numbers you just mentioned. Glad you could give credit where credit is due, Mr. Simis.

Well, that's quite a stretch.

I can appreciate that he operated under handicaps, such as having really intelligent players, runners that could put up 1,000 yards and a bigger budget than just about any of the RMAC schools, and therefore did not produce a stunning record. That doesn't mean he produced a stunning record. Losing 9 out of 15 to Chadron State hardly suggests, for instance, that Chadron State had all the advantages. :roll: Let's be real. Chadron State is smaller than Missoula County High School and doesn't have much reputation for anything. Colorado School of Mines is a top-tier school.

Before you get rolling on the "excuse and handicap" train, recall that, after all, Rob Ash produced a better record, and he coached at MSU! :twisted:

I'm all in favor of Bob Stitt as coach at UM. I just don't see the need to pretend that a very good but not unprecedented previous record is actually remarkable because it "could" have been much worse under a different coach. I see where your fan needs are taking you, but you are trying to say that something that didn't happen means that it absolutely would've happened under different circumstances. I"m sure we could say the same about WWII, but facts are still facts. You don't like them, that's the only problem here.

Stitt brings lots of enthusiasm and experience to the job, and the program has a great engine. It may prove to be a terrific combination.

Mr. Simis, I'm very sorry your son was not the starting QB and has now been moved to receiver. He is a good athlete and will hopefully excel there. However, your utter hatred of all things Stitt is blatantly obvious on this board. I mean every single thread you make (and let's face it, there's a lot of them....and they are very long winded) is negative about our coach. I think it may do you well to join Bobcat Nation instead so you can be in good company with you hatred of coach Stitt. But keep up the good work with ending each of your negative posts with a positive statement like "it may prove to be a terrific combination" so that way you can never be wrong since we know how much you like that. Here I'll try.....the Griz and Stitt suck goat balls, but they may be very good too." Oh I see how that works, this way you can always say I told ya so. Nice.

 

[UMGriz75]

Mr. Simis, I'm very sorry your son was not the starting QB and has now been moved to receiver. He is a good athlete and will hopefully excel there. However, your utter hatred of all things Stitt is blatantly obvious on this board. I mean every single thread you make (and let's face it, there's a lot of them....and they are very long winded) is negative about our coach. I think it may do you well to join Bobcat Nation instead so you can be in good company with you hatred of coach Stitt. But keep up the good work with ending each of your negative posts with a positive statement like "it may prove to be a terrific combination" so that way you can never be wrong since we know how much you like that. Here I'll try.....the Griz and Stitt suck goat balls, but they may be very good too." Oh I see how that works, this way you can always say I told ya so. Nice.

Now, speaking of obsessions, really what this boils down to is "tell no truths." I am sorry that actual facts hurt your little buttercup fan ears. And so this is really about Simis, because Stitt has a record at Colorado School of Mines? Now, that's a stretched agenda! It's nearly as good as, "if Stitt wasn't outstanding at "Mines," it's because he actually was!" Well, OK, then. That's how you process things, not how things actually are. I agree with other posters merely on the point that "offensive genius," strikes me as hyperbole, unsupported by the actual record. It doesn't mean that he may not be a great coach at the University of Montana. I am inclined to believe that he can't help but be a great coach here. You seem to feel otherwise if there is any objective discussion about his record.

 

[BWahlberg]

Three things Bob Stitt did that Bobby Hauck didn't do in his first year as Griz HC:

1. Beat the cats

2. Win a playoff game

3. Beat NDSU

 

[UMGriz75]

However, your utter hatred of all things Stitt is blatantly obvious on this board. I mean every single thread you make (and let's face it, there's a lot of them....and they are very long winded) is negative about our coach. I think it may do you well to join Bobcat Nation instead so you can be in good company with you hatred of coach Stitt.

What is peculiar is that an objective discussion about an actual track record, offering that it contrasts with the hyperbolic claim "offensive genius," results in over-the-top accusations of a base hatred, and a virulent ad hominem personal attack on a poster.

I am sure Peyton will be right on it, but in the meantime, recall, this is a sport, and although a $300,000 price tag is likely too low for this program level, it does suggest, at the end of the day, that the Coach still has to prove himself. Hyperbole doesn't do that. Pointing that out is not "hatred," it is perfectly rational, although the psychological state of mind of someone who might think that raises other questions. Go Griz!

 

[HookedonGriz]

However, your utter hatred of all things Stitt is blatantly obvious on this board. I mean every single thread you make (and let's face it, there's a lot of them....and they are very long winded) is negative about our coach. I think it may do you well to join Bobcat Nation instead so you can be in good company with you hatred of coach Stitt.

What is peculiar is that an objective discussion about an actual track record, offering that it contrasts with the hyperbolic claim "offensive genius," results in over-the-top accusations of a base hatred, and a virulent ad hominem personal attack on a poster.

I am sure Peyton will be right on it, but in the meantime, recall, this is a sport, and although a $300,000 price tag is likely too low for this program level, it does suggest, at the end of the day, that the Coach still has to prove himself. Hyperbole doesn't do that. Pointing that out is not "hatred," it is perfectly rational, although the psychological state of mind of someone who might think that raises other questions. Go Griz!

Couple things:

1. If that's your version of a vehement personal attack, man are you a sheltered human being. I'll look for some participation ribbons and some victim cards to make you feel better Sally.

2. You didn't end your statements in a positive, remember how you do that so that you're never wrong. Come on you're failing me.

 

[Grizzoola]

David, you said, and I quote, "it's all hype now" [until Stitt wins a national championship]. That's what you said. It's in the record. Would you like me to have the court reporter read it back to you? Your honor, I request permission to treat this witness as an adverse witness.

Ok, I'll spell it out for you. By "it's all hype now," I meant the "it's" to mean the talk about Stitt's being an offensive genius. I wasn't referring to Hauck, at all. You sure get easily confused by what I write.

 

[UMGriz75]

1. If that's your version of a vehement personal attack, man are you a sheltered human being. I'll look for some participation ribbons and some victim cards to make you feel better Sally.

2. You didn't end your statements in a positive, remember how you do that so that you're never wrong. Come on you're failing me.

I consider accusing someone of "hatred of all things Stitt," to arise from the fact that your little buttercup ears can't even handle an objective discussion of his track record. Yes, frothing and foaming and calling me "Mr Simis" definitely exposes your agenda: anyone that remotely says anything objective about Bob Stitt must be vilified and accused of base motives: outright "hatred."

Seriously? You get that from an objective discussion of his record? A mild dissent from the hyperbole of "offensive genius?"

"Hatred" is not just an offensive perjorative, it says much more about the way you think and feel, than it does any objective assessment that anybody makes of Stitt's actual record: you know, the reality that actually exists outside of your overflowing emotional snowflake state of mind. Your comments are obviously designed to change the subject -- the thread topic -- to a purely ad hominem exchange based, interestingly enough, on your own foaming and frothing hatreds. As I noted, I am sure Peyton will get right on it. He hates it when people do that.

Do you think the bountiful and ongoing criticisms of Coach Delaney or John Nguyen arose from "hatred?"

If so, there is probably something wrong with you. I think your comments here prove it.