Stitt building an OL... Dare I say DOLA?

[EverettGriz]

How in the heck can o line recruiting still be "paying for that"? UM is in its 6th season since Pflu. Pflu could have recruited a bunch of all-Americans, but they would all be done by now. Even Delaney's recruits are all seniors or graduated by now.

Correct But read Speth's post carefully. He talks about players from 4 years ago having to burn RS as freshman. Those should have been Robin's recruits as juniors and seniors playing.

 

[Diesel]

This thread gives evidence of Stitt and his coaches that are recruiting are doing a great job as per building a quality roster.
Wasn't that long ago pre-Stitt staffs were under recruiting enough O-linemen let alone freshman who are of the same size or frames of Stitt's.
Two things that were big issues were long snappers and centers. Weyer was it at center, Luke wasn't good enough at shotgun snaps, Sprunk a couple years ago wasn't big enough, but his ability to bulk up and change to center was great move.
Games are won and lost in the trenches. Stitt and Germer deserve some respect for working with what they were given and building this group into a strength rather than a weakness.
Wasn't in Stitt's first year underclassman tackle, due to injuries, had to play that was about 260-270lbs. Brutal. Wasn't good. Wasn't like Angel who was big and strong enough.

 

[grizghost]

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rookie...okay tough guy!...the proof is in the pudding...I'm not a Stitt basher just not anointing him to be the next Don Reed..Bobby was a great recruiter and put many in the NFL and not to mention he didn't have facilities and the exposure Stitt has gotten (ESPN North Dokota Game) ...I think Stitt is
riding the wave from the previous Griz success..I will give Stitt this year and than will see what we got?
I just don't share hes bringing bigger talent...Bison, JMU, yes..will see?

Good thing you're not in charge. You clearly don't know anything. Especially when you say "he's riding the wave of past Griz success." Come back when you can write a post that's semi-coherent.

well if l was in charge l would want RESULTS..Im not saying Stitt isn't recruiting well ..what l'm saying
is he has a recruiting platform the Griz has establish in the last 25yrs of great football..get it? (not to mention the facilties).. ITs fine he's riding the wave instead of starting from sketch...so lm not surprise
he's getting some good recruits..but to think because so-called great recruits makes a great team..you clearly know nothing and probably never played the game..

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Good thing you're not in charge. You clearly don't know anything. Especially when you say "he's riding the wave of past Griz success." Come back when you can write a post that's semi-coherent.

well if l was in charge l would want RESULTS..Im not saying Stitt isn't recruiting well ..what l'm saying
is he has a recruiting platform the Griz has establish in the last 25yrs of great football..get it? (not to mention the facilties).. ITs fine he's riding the wave instead of starting from sketch...so lm not surprise
he's getting some good recruits..but to think because so-called great recruits makes a great team..you clearly know nothing and probably never played the game..

You say that like the people in charge don't want results, like they are trying to fight against success or hoping something happens accidentally.

And I'm guessing you forgot a pretty big period of Griz history in 2013. You know, the rape scandal, and self-imposed sanctions, vacated wins, etc, etc.

By the way, I have a writing textbook and AP stylebook you can use next time you post. Your grammar and prose could use some work.

 

[grizghost]

well if l was in charge l would want RESULTS..Im not saying Stitt isn't recruiting well ..what l'm saying
is he has a recruiting platform the Griz has establish in the last 25yrs of great football..get it? (not to mention the facilties).. ITs fine he's riding the wave instead of starting from sketch...so lm not surprise
he's getting some good recruits..but to think because so-called great recruits makes a great team..you clearly know nothing and probably never played the game..

You say that like the people in charge don't want results, like they are trying to fight against success or hoping something happens accidentally.

And I'm guessing you forgot a pretty big period of Griz history in 2013. You know, the rape scandal, and self-imposed sanctions, vacated wins, etc, etc.

By the way, I have a writing textbook and AP stylebook you can use next time you post. Your grammar and prose could use some work.

...your a piece of work!...thanks for the insults..little man!

 

[Copper Griz]

You say that like the people in charge don't want results, like they are trying to fight against success or hoping something happens accidentally.

And I'm guessing you forgot a pretty big period of Griz history in 2013. You know, the rape scandal, and self-imposed sanctions, vacated wins, etc, etc.

By the way, I have a writing textbook and AP stylebook you can use next time you post. Your grammar and prose could use some work.

...your a piece of work!...thanks for the insults..little man!

What if HammerTime was a woman? Would it be little woman? How do we know?

 

[grizghost]

...your a piece of work!...thanks for the insults..little man!

What if HammerTime was a woman? Would it be little woman? How do we know?

haha that would explain a lot..could be my former English teacher..great point!

 

[PlayerRep]

..this has to be one of the funniest post!...keep on dreaming my friend! Stitt is going to have change
his philosophy if hes going to compete with the big boys! (he already has...)

Perhaps rookie. Did you ever consider the road always meets in the middle? You learn as you grow. Stitt made probably his biggest coaching decision last year getting rid of his WR coach and tried to bring in a side O coordinator.
There is no denying that his philosophy is bringing in even bigger talent than our former coaches had to work with. The amentities will only enhance it now. This isn't a typical defense for the weak and Eastern sure seemed to win a natty with it. Something, Bobby never could do.
Perhaps the bigger question, maybe you should question less and see more

What's your basis for saying: "There is no denying that his philosophy is bringing in even bigger talent than our former coaches had to work with." I am not disagreeing. I am just asking.

Since we base recruits "on paper" until an NFL offer comes after, I would say show me any prior staff that can attract kids from programs that are ranked as many "star" recruits. Whatever that really means. But Stitt is proving he's attracting talent within top 10 ranked national high school programs and finding kids under the radar.
Sammy Akem is a great example. That guy was under recruited. At worst, should've had a MWC offer, at best, the kid with his frame is a lower tier PAC 12 talent if we examine nothing else. Add what he did on the track field with that kind of speed....just saying.
Now we have a verbal from the overall no 38 player in Arizona (lineman), a qb from the #8 ranked high school team in the US, a potential Center from the #7 high school team in America. The top MT recruit, which NDSU wants. We get a defensive transfer nose guard from Maryland out of all places, Maryland, a hot bed of FCS schools around. Conlin Beaver comes from the east coast. We get a top 10 juco qb from a hot bed of Texas. A great linebacker from UAB, who has no business having the Griz on his radar, that far away. A KENTUCKY transfer.
Where were our prior key drop downs that actually made an impact?
Wash St. Oregon State. Iowa State. Kansas. Wyoming. Where have our recruiting hot beds been...the Northwest. We have kids out of these regions and now oklahoma, Arizona, Texas, and more east coast kids on the roster than I can remember at one time.
Joe got a kid out of Alaska. Bobby, an Iowa State transfer and a walk on from Havre. Don, a transfer from Oregon State and the Legend of the Fall, who not many teams wanted. Edit: i should also add Colorado. Forgot we also had a key Buff drop down.

Thanks for your response. This is helpful in understanding what you meant.

I can't tell how good the Stitt recruits are overall. I find that recruiting classes almost always look very good. But the proof is what they do on the field in coming years.

Everyone seems to like Jensen's potential, but he was a starter this year. It remains to be seen whether he will approach Dickenson, Ochs, Miller, Ah Yat, Lebo, Pease, Moringweg, Edwards, Bergquist, Swogger, and even guys like Selle. I'm not sure he'll catch the first 4.

O-line. Lots of hype and lots of guys and big guys, but only 1 I starting so far. We'll see how good the others are. I assume there will be some good ones. But where's the next Bingham, Gragg, Thatcher, Proctor, Curry, Scrafford, McFarland, Quinn, Russum, Horn, Balogh, Dow, Hillesland, Dyk, Poehls, the big tackle who played with Poehls and a bit in the NFL, Burton. Most of those guys were all-americans and a number played in the NFL. Don't know what position, Falcon, Darrow, Brett, etc. played.

Receivers. Lots of talent and athleticism, but where are the receivers from the '95 team era al la Douglas, Clark, Baker, etc., Salonens, Neill, Molden, Ferris, Hancocks, Mariani, Sambrano, Jones, there was another good transfer a in modern times/blanking.

Kickers. Allegre, Snyder, Carpenter, Hepner. Heck, even Larson and McKnight.

Running backs. Dillon, Klever, Green, Hilliard, Reynolds, and some of the more recent guys too.

Multiple d-lineman. Bierman, Wags, Holmes, Kidder,

Linebackers. Lots of the older guys, but McSurdy, Tripp, Coyle and lots of the modern guys.

Corners. a guy from about 15 years ago (hung around NFL a bit), Harris, Smith, Tru, Wilson, probably others.

Safeties. Hauck, Mcelmurray, Huntsberger, Young, Anderson, Schillinger,

Plus, probably scores that I missed.

Sorry, but I just don't see a ton of these guys, at least yet.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The receiver you're forgetting is Henderson.

 

[grizghost]

Perhaps rookie. Did you ever consider the road always meets in the middle? You learn as you grow. Stitt made probably his biggest coaching decision last year getting rid of his WR coach and tried to bring in a side O coordinator.
There is no denying that his philosophy is bringing in even bigger talent than our former coaches had to work with. The amentities will only enhance it now. This isn't a typical defense for the weak and Eastern sure seemed to win a natty with it. Something, Bobby never could do.
Perhaps the bigger question, maybe you should question less and see more

What's your basis for saying: "There is no denying that his philosophy is bringing in even bigger talent than our former coaches had to work with." I am not disagreeing. I am just asking.

Since we base recruits "on paper" until an NFL offer comes after, I would say show me any prior staff that can attract kids from programs that are ranked as many "star" recruits. Whatever that really means. But Stitt is proving he's attracting talent within top 10 ranked national high school programs and finding kids under the radar.
Sammy Akem is a great example. That guy was under recruited. At worst, should've had a MWC offer, at best, the kid with his frame is a lower tier PAC 12 talent if we examine nothing else. Add what he did on the track field with that kind of speed....just saying.
Now we have a verbal from the overall no 38 player in Arizona (lineman), a qb from the #8 ranked high school team in the US, a potential Center from the #7 high school team in America. The top MT recruit, which NDSU wants. We get a defensive transfer nose guard from Maryland out of all places, Maryland, a hot bed of FCS schools around. Conlin Beaver comes from the east coast. We get a top 10 juco qb from a hot bed of Texas. A great linebacker from UAB, who has no business having the Griz on his radar, that far away. A KENTUCKY transfer.
Where were our prior key drop downs that actually made an impact?
Wash St. Oregon State. Iowa State. Kansas. Wyoming. Where have our recruiting hot beds been...the Northwest. We have kids out of these regions and now oklahoma, Arizona, Texas, and more east coast kids on the roster than I can remember at one time.
Joe got a kid out of Alaska. Bobby, an Iowa State transfer and a walk on from Havre. Don, a transfer from Oregon State and the Legend of the Fall, who not many teams wanted. Edit: i should also add Colorado. Forgot we also had a key Buff drop down.

Thanks for your response. This is helpful in understanding what you meant.

I can't tell how good the Stitt recruits are overall. I find that recruiting classes almost always look very good. But the proof is what they do on the field in coming years.

Everyone seems to like Jensen's potential, but he was a starter this year. It remains to be seen whether he will approach Dickenson, Ochs, Miller, Ah Yat, Lebo, Pease, Moringweg, Edwards, Bergquist, Swogger, and even guys like Selle. I'm not sure he'll catch the first 4.

O-line. Lots of hype and lots of guys and big guys, but only 1 I starting so far. We'll see how good the others are. I assume there will be some good ones. But where's the next Bingham, Gragg, Thatcher, Proctor, Curry, Scrafford, McFarland, Quinn, Russum, Horn, Balogh, Dow, Hillesland, Dyk, Poehls, the big tackle who played with Poehls and a bit in the NFL, Burton. Most of those guys were all-americans and a number played in the NFL. Don't know what position, Falcon, Darrow, Brett, etc. played.

Receivers. Lots of talent and athleticism, but where are the receivers from the '95 team era al la Douglas, Clark, Baker, etc., Salonens, Neill, Molden, Ferris, Hancocks, Mariani, Sambrano, Jones, there was another good transfer a in modern times/blanking.

Kickers. Allegre, Snyder, Carpenter, Hepner. Heck, even Larson and McKnight.

Running backs. Dillon, Klever, Green, Hilliard, Reynolds, and some of the more recent guys too.

Multiple d-lineman. Bierman, Wags, Holmes, Kidder,

Linebackers. Lots of the older guys, but McSurdy, Tripp, Coyle and lots of the modern guys.

Corners. a guy from about 15 years ago (hung around NFL a bit), Harris, Smith, Tru, Wilson, probably others.

Safeties. Hauck, Mcelmurray, Huntsberger, Young, Anderson, Schillinger,

Plus, probably scores that I missed.

Sorry, but I just don't see a ton of these guys, at least yet.

..great analysis!..Stitt bringing in bigger talent than coaches of the past!...can't wait Dmontanagrizzlies! I guess we'll see if you know what your talking about..comeback when you do!

 

[AZGrizFan]

Here would be my take: that list PR put out covers about 25 years of players. And I believe Dmontana was talking specifically about the O-Line...and I'm not sure we've had this much "pre" hype and stars from a collective O-line group (all on the team at the same time) ever....

 

[grzz]

PR, love ya man. I too am disappointed that Stitt's recruits, mostly red shirt sophomores and younger, are not yet the greatest in the history of the program at their respective positions.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, love ya man. I too am disappointed that Stitt's recruits, mostly red shirt sophomores and younger, are not yet the greatest in the history of the program at their respective positions.

Of Stitt's recruits so far, who do you think will deserve to be on the list of Griz greats? I don't see any yet, except maybe Buss. I am hoping for some o-line, but I don't know. Perhaps a redshirt sophomore receiver. Sandry is good, but I don't think he will clearly get there.

Where do you see Jensen ranking with great Griz qb's?

 

[PlayerRep]

Here would be my take: that list PR put out covers about 25 years of players. And I believe Dmontana was talking specifically about the O-Line...and I'm not sure we've had this much "pre" hype and stars from a collective O-line group (all on the team at the same time) ever....

He wasn't talking o-line. Jeez, read his posts. Okem is not o-line. The top Montana recruit?

Let's see you name the guys who will become all-time Griz greats.

 

[grzz]

PR, love ya man. I too am disappointed that Stitt's recruits, mostly red shirt sophomores and younger, are not yet the greatest in the history of the program at their respective positions.

Of Stitt's recruits so far, who do you think will deserve to be on the list of Griz greats? I don't see any yet, except maybe Buss. I am hoping for some o-line, but I don't know. Perhaps a redshirt sophomore receiver. Sandry is good, but I don't think he will clearly get there.

Where do you see Jensen ranking with great Griz qb's?

With most of the greats, we didn't know where they would land all-time when they were freshman and sophomores and I honestly don't think it is fair to put that on any of them right now. It seems like we have some major talent but they are young. If you really forced me to make a bold statement, I think Toure will end his career as one of the best wide receivers we have ever had. But he is a freshman, so who knows!

As for Jensen, he is a freshman with a long career (hopefully!) ahead of him so you never know. But based on his freshman campaign so far, we know statistically he is the best freshmen QB we have ever had. I think he is more advanced at this point of his career than really anyone we have had. That doesn't mean he will turn in to an all-time great, because tons of things go in to that. However my maroon colored fandom glasses say we are looking at the front side of a top-five all-time Griz QB and we should be excited.