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STATS Preseason Top 25 - Griz #7
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TheNorthRemembers
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Yes born and raised. Why would I ever root for my main rival to have success? Ohio State Fans don't root for Michigan. You think that season Auburn won the natty with Cam Newton Alabama fans were like "Hmmm good for Auburn it's nice to see our state represented well" HELLLLL NOOO. Get this soft attitude out of my face.
TheNorthRemembers
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There's also the fact that MSU having success directly hurts UM. If they win a Natty they're going to be that much harder to recruit against. They get more attention from ESPN (you think gameday goes to Bozeman ten years ago when they were 5-6?) Them winning does nothing for UM football.
Griz in Texas
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Fact, there isn't a single fact in your post. It's all based on speculation that can be countered with the same reason for having the opposite happen, whether they won in the past or us we're pretty even right now.
We should let the season play out before we start handing out trophies. I fully expect that we will be there in the end before they will, but that, once again, is speculation.
If what you're saying is true, they win and never look back we're left with Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Utah Tech, Central Washington and Western Oregon. Why then after 1995 and 2001 are they a competitive team. Weren't we supposed to have Tommy Mellott?
There's a whole lot that you typed out here that has me scratching my head...Fact, there isn't a single fact in your post. It's all based on speculation that can be countered with the same reason for having the opposite happen, whether they won in the past or us we're pretty even right now.
We should let the season play out before we start handing out trophies. I fully expect that we will be there in the end before they will, but that, once again, is speculation.
If what you're saying is true, they win and never look back we're left with Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Utah Tech, Central Washington and Western Oregon. Why then after 1995 and 2001 are they a competitive team. Weren't we supposed to have Tommy Mellott?
TheNorthRemembers
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"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."Fact, there isn't a single fact in your post. It's all based on speculation that can be countered with the same reason for having the opposite happen, whether they won in the past or us we're pretty even right now.
We should let the season play out before we start handing out trophies. I fully expect that we will be there in the end before they will, but that, once again, is speculation.
If what you're saying is true, they win and never look back we're left with Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Utah Tech, Central Washington and Western Oregon. Why then after 1995 and 2001 are they a competitive team. Weren't we supposed to have Tommy Mellott?
Seriously have no idea what the hell point you're trying to make... But go back and look at the record of the Montana Grizzlies from 1994-2010 and compare it to the Cats. When the Griz fell off in the 2010's that's exactly the point the Cats started to claw their way into national relevancy. You don't think the griz would be better off today if some of these local players ended up in Missoula instead of Bozeman? You think Adam Jones goes there if the bobcats are a 5-7 team? Who the hell knows maybe Mellott decides to come to UM if the cats are still a dumpster fire like in the 2000's. The point is we gain absolutely nothing by having the Cats send guys into the pros, and build a program that goes undefeated in the regular season, and beats the hell out of us on the road every season. If the Cats were to go 1-11 this year and the whole program implodes the road to a high seed and conference title gets that much easier. Not gonna happen obviously but if they start winning titles that FOR SURE hurts us.
I am a lifelong GRIZ football fan. Both of our boys went to MSU for engineering degrees and I love the university, just hate their football teams. That's how it goes. It is a good school academically just like U of M is academically in their specific fields of study. Point: I can dislike the Cats and love the Griz but root for both teams when then compete in the post season if they reach playoffs and face teams from other parts of the country because I am MONTANA proud no matter what university it is. They represent our state.
Griz in Texas
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Wow, how original. You should write for Adam Sandler or something. Maybe not.
Let me break it down a different way for you. It's pretty simple really. It isn't 1994 to 2010 we're talking about for one thing.
1986 at Montana W 59-28 UM
1987 at Montana State W 55-7, UM
1988 at Montana W 17-3, UM
1989 at Montana State W 17-2, UM
1990 at Montana W 35-18, UM
1991 at Montana State W 16-9, UM
1992 at Montana W 29-17, UM
1993 at Montana State W 42-30, UM
1994 at Montana W 55-20, UM
1995 at Montana State W 42-33, UM
1996 at Montana W 35-14, UM
1997 at Montana State W 27-25, UM
1998 at Montana W 28-21, UM
1999 at Montana State W 49-3, UM
2000 at Montana W 28-3,
UM 2001 at Montana State W 38-27, UM
16 straight wins should have closed the door on the cats ever being able to recruit this state again by your theory. That streak ended the year after we won our last title, but you contend that they are going to win a championship and have their pick of who they want in Montana. Since then, we are 11-11 and both sides have had streaks of 4 consecutive wins when Montana should have dominated by your theory.
There are a million reasons why a kid ends up in Bozeman instead, but don't ask me what's in the mind of a 17 to 20 year old. How did Junior Bergen sign over there but yet end up with Montana?
We aren't getting every kid to come to Montana, pure and simple, but I don't believe that what you are saying has that much to do with it. That running back room has been pretty packed the past few years, maybe that's what made Jones make his decision.
All I am saying is the sky isn't falling here chicken little, they aren't winning a title. College Game Day probably would have come to Missoula if Ohio State didn't get into that to pull them to Columbus, but that didn't change the world either.
GriznMN
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THIS!! (with slight adjustment to the cats name)
I call it Cat/Griz. Guess my loyalty is in question.
HelenaHandBasket
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Curious, who cares enough to have the tape measure?
TheNorthRemembers
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The streak ended 24 years ago. None of the kids playing for either team were even alive when that happened. The 18-22 year olds don't care what happened when their fathers were watching. They care about recent history. One in which the Cats have equaled and if we're being honest probably surpassed the Grizzlies as a program.
I feel like you're missing my entire point which was that I'm not going to root for the Cats ever. Not only because I hate them. But because it 100% affects the Grizzly football program to have them be successful. You honestly can't even argue that fact in good faith. If you're the kinda fan that wants to watch our rival hoist a trophy and win conference championships good for you. Won't be me.
Griz in Texas
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Sir, I get your point. I just don't believe after every game I have seen when it ends in a Griz win someone inevitably gets up to head to the urinal and says "Welp, that's big for recruiting," that it is all that 'big' at all.
What you said, as I understood it, on your original post is that if we lose this year, Bozeman wins the national championship and we are doomed to fail at the bottom of the conference. Since that 16 in a row streak ended the same year we won the championship in 2001, I do see that is the case or that would have continued, if you had paid attention.
Please don't quote or misinterpret what I say because I for damn sure said nothing about them winning anything, and in fact, I said they won't win a title. If you stop changing what you're arguing, it would be more sensible, you said that the series turned in their favor in the 2010's and I countered with the record since the streak ended. We had as few down years, but that is more attributable to the D-II gimmick play caller we hired. Still, we are even in those 22 games, they haven't dominated recruiting and in the unlikely event they win this year, that still won't sway recruiting in their favor.
Is that broken down enough for you now?
GriznMN
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Were you raised in a scat house?
SinCityGriz2005
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This seems more realistic than the Coaches Poll.
While the stats poll and the coaches poll are more official than others, there's so many different polls nowadays and I'm not sure which one to believe. The Griz are ranging between 6 and 9 in all the ones I've seen. I guess that's probably realistic based on where they finished last year and the talent level and possible expectations for this year's team.
Downwiththefoe1984
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I would talk shit back, but āThe North Remembersā is the second raddest name on here behind only the great Tony Clifton.
ilovethecats
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Totally agree EG. The Montana thing is definitely pretty unique when you compare it to other rivalries in other states.
For me itās pretty easy. Itās sports and itās entertainment. I wonāt cheer for the griz in any game ever. Especially not in a championship game. The worst possible thing for Montana State athletics is the Griz winning a national championship. And vice versa.
That said, Iāve always maintained fans get a little wild when it comes to this rivalry. I have many friends who are griz fans and boosters. I have a healthy respect for UM athletics. I have no issue being realistic and saying when I think theyāll be really good. I donāt love it mind you, but the fact of the matter is griz football is almost always going to be good or very good. I think theyāll be a very good team this year and I think your schedule is very favorable this year and youāll be in a position of a top seed. Recent history says that hosting the brawl this year will be very important. Iāll always think the cats have a shot to win; but Iād be very confident if I was a griz fan. Nothing wrong with that.
Long story short, Iāll always give my griz friends shit and will never pull for them in a game ever. But Iāll be in Missoula again this year like I am most years and Iāll have a great time like I always do. And if I see a griz fan with car trouble on my way to Missoula, Iāll be the first to pull over and assist because Iām not a douche and there are bigger things than football. But the idea that I should cheer for Montana teams cause theyāre Montana teams is so backwards to me!
I do secretly support Montana kids getting a shot at the next level though. But that is more an FCS thing than a Montana thing. I wouldnāt mind at all seeing JB kill it with the Niners and show there is good talent at the FCS level.
You're one of the good ones ILTC
