Spring Camp discussion: Defense / ST

[BWahlberg]

thanks b/w for the run down......this is a head scratchier, in that we are very inexperienced overall,,,,if bobby is able to "coach them up",, i believe the potential is there.....this defense will have to play up from normal expected levels of their experience imo....go griz !

There's a lot of guys that are almost totally inexperienced or have pulled just limited duty who were very hyped recruits in every position. We're not relying on a bunch of true freshman either to hopefully rise up and start either. We'll just have to see, really. Could be good... could be bad...

They were very hyped by people on this board, any idea what the actual recruiting rankings were for these future all stars?

OK - through a few meetings, feel free to call this a cherry picked list but here's who I would see of the younger classes as being guys that either will be on the 2-deep or could be there depending how camps go who are/were Stitt recruits defensively, putting in parenthesis their star ranking as per reported by Payton in his original recruiting threads:

DE: Rodriguez (0), Maua (0), Nelson (2), Sirmon (3), Oslon (0)
DT: Longoria (0)
LB: Lewis (0), Matthews (2), Key (2), Welnel (2)
CB: Egbo (2), Cowans (0), Nash (2)
S: Crow (2)

I'm listing guys that would be newer faces to the 2-deep, not holdover starters

I personally see the pre-spring 2-deep (assuming all are healthy) to be as follows:

DE: Favoroso / Sirmon
DT: Sims / Tilleman
DT: Shaw / Davis OR Longoria
DE: Rodriguez / Nelson OR Maua
OLB: Buss / Welnel OR Key
MLB: Fa'atuiese / Matthews
OLB: Lewis / Cochran
CB: Nash / Holmes
CB: Cowans / Egbo OR Eaton if Egbo is out
S: Sandry / Crow OR Hauck
S: Epperly / Robertson

Do I expect it to totally stay that way? Nope. That's what camp is all about!

 

[Merkleman]

I agree with most of what you have if they were running a 4-3. The defense is a 3-3-5 though.

 

[poorgriz]

I agree with most of what you have if they were running a 4-3. The defense is a 3-3-5 though.

Your base D is going to be a 3-3-5? Why would they do that when you appear to have great quality depth at DL and LB but thin at DB, specifically corner?

 

[BWahlberg]

I agree with most of what you have if they were running a 4-3. The defense is a 3-3-5 though.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

 

[MTGRZ]

I agree with most of what you have if they were running a 4-3. The defense is a 3-3-5 though.

Aside from the additional DB, what is the advantage to a 3-3-5 defense? If they do run a 3-3-5, is it because of a lack of experience in the secondary? Or maybe to get the AZ transfer on the field with two other safeties?

 

[dayday]

I agree with most of what you have if they were running a 4-3. The defense is a 3-3-5 though.

Aside from the additional DB, what is the advantage to a 3-3-5 defense? If they do run a 3-3-5, is it because of a lack of experience in the secondary? Or maybe to get the AZ transfer on the field with two other safeties?

San Diego State I believe runs a 3-3-5 so maybe some Rocky Long influence there. What is interesting is that I am not sure if Baer traditionally has run that with his defenses.

 

[bgbigdog]

I agree with most of what you have if they were running a 4-3. The defense is a 3-3-5 though.

Aside from the additional DB, what is the advantage to a 3-3-5 defense? If they do run a 3-3-5, is it because of a lack of experience in the secondary? Or maybe to get the AZ transfer on the field with two other safeties?

San Diego State I believe runs a 3-3-5 so maybe some Rocky Long influence there. What is interesting is that I am not sure if Baer traditionally has run that with his defenses.

3/3 stack, simple, plays fast & more second level players for all the passing in the BSC. Perhaps we can coax 24 out of the weeds to help explain.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Would a 3-3-5 defensive scheme be optimal to defend a Cat offense that has to this point built their offense predicated on run first and often? Is it easy/more complicated to alter that defense based on preferred offensive schemes of the opponent?

 

[MTGRZ]

I agree with most of what you have if they were running a 4-3. The defense is a 3-3-5 though.

Aside from the additional DB, what is the advantage to a 3-3-5 defense? If they do run a 3-3-5, is it because of a lack of experience in the secondary? Or maybe to get the AZ transfer on the field with two other safeties?

San Diego State I believe runs a 3-3-5 so maybe some Rocky Long influence there. What is interesting is that I am not sure if Baer traditionally has run that with his defenses.

3/3 stack, simple, plays fast & more second level players for all the passing in the BSC. Perhaps we can coax 24 out of the weeds to help explain.

How does it compete with a run heavy offense? (like the scats?)

 

[MTGRZ]

Would a 3-3-5 defensive scheme be optimal to defend a Cat offense that has to this point built their offense predicated on run first and often? Is it easy/more complicated to alter that defense based on preferred offensive schemes of the opponent?

I think you read my mind! I just posted (kind of) the same question! Great minds think alike! :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

I agree with most of what you have if they were running a 4-3. The defense is a 3-3-5 though.

Aside from the additional DB, what is the advantage to a 3-3-5 defense? If they do run a 3-3-5, is it because of a lack of experience in the secondary? Or maybe to get the AZ transfer on the field with two other safeties?

San Diego State I believe runs a 3-3-5 so maybe some Rocky Long influence there. What is interesting is that I am not sure if Baer traditionally has run that with his defenses.

3/3 stack, simple, plays fast & more second level players for all the passing in the BSC. Perhaps we can coax 24 out of the weeds to help explain.

Weber
Cal Poly
MSU
ISU
SUU

All were heavily weighted towards rushing. Not sure a 3-3-5 is best...

 

[MTGRZ]

Aside from the additional DB, what is the advantage to a 3-3-5 defense? If they do run a 3-3-5, is it because of a lack of experience in the secondary? Or maybe to get the AZ transfer on the field with two other safeties?

San Diego State I believe runs a 3-3-5 so maybe some Rocky Long influence there. What is interesting is that I am not sure if Baer traditionally has run that with his defenses.

3/3 stack, simple, plays fast & more second level players for all the passing in the BSC. Perhaps we can coax 24 out of the weeds to help explain.

Weber
Cal Poly
MSU
ISU
SUU

All were heavily weighted towards rushing. Not sure a 3-3-5 is best...

Maybe it allows them to get Robertson on the field more? I feel the same as you regarding run heavy teams in the BSC. Not to second guess the coaches, but.....

 

[bgbigdog]

They start somewhere because its day one. Chill FFS.

 

[brewskis]

I’d take a well-coached, tough defense based out of a 3-3-5 over Semore’s hot mess of whatever-the-fukk his base was against the scats any day.

I like the idea of a 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 type defense. Bobby knows how to coach defensive backs....get more guys on the field with speed that can hit.


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[AZGrizFan]

They start somewhere because its day one. Chill FFS.

Hey Einstein, this is a FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD FFS. I know in the past several months it’s looked like a Vagina convention, but it is, in fact, supposed to be about football. This is a FOOTBALL DISCUSSION FULL OF FOOTBALL OPINIONS.

If you don’t like it, GTFO and go back to read the dozen or so threads on gender equality and the horrors being perpetrated on the American female.

 

[NAUJacksFan]

Do you guys really think Robby Hauck is going to have an impact? I’m having a hard time seeing that anytime in the next few years if ever...

 

[AZGrizFan]

Do you guys really think Robby Hauck is going to have an impact? I’m having a hard time seeing that anytime in the next few years if ever...

Why’s that? His tape looks good. Other than that, what else are you going to base an opinion on?

 

[signedbewildered]

Do you guys really think Robby Hauck is going to have an impact? I’m having a hard time seeing that anytime in the next few years if ever...

Yes

 

[JSTGriz]

Do you guys really think Robby Hauck is going to have an impact? I’m having a hard time seeing that anytime in the next few years if ever...

If I’m not mistaken, Robby was NAU defensive scout team player of the year.


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[krammer]

really the 3-3-5 or the 4-2-5 are part of every defensive coordinators scheme,,,,,most know it as the nickel ......while i believe we will see this defense i would be surprised if the basic defense is not your standard 4-3-4 when push comes shove.....