Some 2015 Defensive Stats for Griz

[grizindabox]

I have no idea if any of the reports of the defensive strategy being taken away from TG are true or not. I would think that you would have to control for the quality of the offenses the Griz faced in the final 5 games. Other than ISU, they faced two very proficient offenses in msu and ewu; and two playoff teams. One would think they are going to be statistically better teams than the other group of teams the Griz played.

I don't either, but I am trying to get opinions from those who say they do or think they do know.

If Stitt took over the defense at some point, the overall recent average of points is statistically significantly higher as scored by opponents.

If TG was still in charge, it is impressive that the "two very proficient offenses," EWU and MSU were held to 16 points for EWU, and for MSU to 14 points in the first half, just another 8 points in the third quarter, and then 13 points after Montana began substituting in the 4th Q, as well as SDSU at 17 points.

Stitt claimed unhappiness with the defense immediately after the Cal Poly game despite the defense holding Cal Poly to just 20. At the time is struck me as an odd criticism, considering it was the offense that had failed so miserably, in a home game, against a genius offense with his first string QB in place. I can recall only three other home games at Wash-Griz where the Griz scored less than 24 points, against genuinely good teams in those years, which Cal Poly was definitely "not."

"If" Stitt exerted more control of defense after mid-season, then PSU (35) and ISU (27) add to a relatively unfavorable second half season defensive effort precisely because of less proficient offenses achieving above-average results, even compared to late season and post-season opponents.

It was such a variable season, unrelated in many ways to who was QB, it's almost puzzling; and that extends to whether or not Ty was or was not the main DC in the second half of the season.

Stitt never took over the defense....

 

[UMGriz75]

Stitt never took over the defense....

You guys "in the know" will just have to duke it out ... I think the outcomes are interesting under either theory.

 

[UMGriz75]

His numbers aren't even right, first of all, and it's convenient he cut off the first three games where our opponents averaged nearly 29 points per game.

Nothing "convenient" about it. I chose the final five games and compared those to the previous five games as closest in time.

 

[grizindabox]

Stitt never took over the defense....

You guys "in the know" will just have to duke it out ... I think the outcomes are interesting under either theory.

Someone other than TG did the defensive gameplan....but it was not Stitt....

 

[uofmman1122]

His numbers aren't even right, first of all, and it's convenient he cut off the first three games where our opponents averaged nearly 29 points per game.

Nothing "convenient" about it. I chose the final five games and compared those to the previous five games as closest in time.

I mean, if you think comparing UC Davis, NAU, Weber, UND and PSU to ISU, EWU, MSU, SDSU and NDSU is a fair comparison, then I guess that's fine.

I don't really have a dog in this fight. I liked Ty quite a bit, and am kind of sad to see him go to MSU, but I don't think whoever is coaching the D next year will have any bearing on whether or not our defense is better or worse.

Replacing so many great players ultimately will be tougher than replacing Ty.

 

[PlayerRep]

Stitt never took over the defense....

You guys "in the know" will just have to duke it out ... I think the outcomes are interesting under either theory.

Someone other than TG did the defensive gameplan....but it was not Stitt....

This isn't accurate either. Look who called the plays during the games. UM used the same defense against NDSU playoff game as they did in the first game, with some smaller tweaks.

 

[grizindabox]

Stitt never took over the defense....

You guys "in the know" will just have to duke it out ... I think the outcomes are interesting under either theory.

Someone other than TG did the defensive gameplan....but it was not Stitt....

This isn't accurate either. Look who called the plays during the games. UM used the same defense against NDSU playoff game as they did in the first game, with some smaller tweaks.

all that does is demonstrate that there was a similar gameplan.....not whom was in charge of doing the gameplan....with some tweaks.....

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Facing a sudden loss can be difficult to cope with but grief counseling works......

Given how long ago your son didn't end up playing for the Griz, and your continued posting and dissing the defense and some coaches, perhaps you are the one who needs the counseling. I am excited for TG. He's excited about the new opportunity for him and his family.

Fair enough. A man has to support his family so Ty's decision to leave is not up for judgement IMO. But the drama surrounding your love affair with him is......I can't wait for your egriz posts next season that pertain to Ty and the MSU defense. All the Statistical analysis of the Griz/Cat defensive output. You will certainly be one "torn" college football fan.....That'll be pure entertainment.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand friendships, and that you wouldn't support your friends. I doubt that I'll be following the Cats or their defense closely next year. I follow the Griz, Dartmouth and sometimes Stanford. Don't even follow FBS or the NFL much anymore, but enjoy the various games that I watch.

Jeez...Now I don't support my friends or understand friendships? C'mon PR. I get that you're friends with TG. I agree that he is a nice guy. I've met him a couple of times. But that doesn't make him a great DC. The simple fact is that the statistical performance of the Griz D under TG hasn't matched the hype. The Griz D has never been ranked particularly high nationally. It's been an average to slightly above average D for four seasons. Has it at times improved in some areas? Yes. But IMO, your continual crowing about TG and his abilities has been over the top compared to his results. Ty is your friend. Your unwavering support is admirable but you aren't looking at his performance thru totally disinterested eyes......

 

[PlayerRep]

Given how long ago your son didn't end up playing for the Griz, and your continued posting and dissing the defense and some coaches, perhaps you are the one who needs the counseling. I am excited for TG. He's excited about the new opportunity for him and his family.

Fair enough. A man has to support his family so Ty's decision to leave is not up for judgement IMO. But the drama surrounding your love affair with him is......I can't wait for your egriz posts next season that pertain to Ty and the MSU defense. All the Statistical analysis of the Griz/Cat defensive output. You will certainly be one "torn" college football fan.....That'll be pure entertainment.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand friendships, and that you wouldn't support your friends. I doubt that I'll be following the Cats or their defense closely next year. I follow the Griz, Dartmouth and sometimes Stanford. Don't even follow FBS or the NFL much anymore, but enjoy the various games that I watch.

Jeez...Now I don't support my friends or understand friendships? C'mon PR. I get that you're friends with TG. I agree that he is a nice guy. I've met him a couple of times. But that doesn't make him a great DC. The simple fact is that the statistical performance of the Griz D under TG hasn't matched the hype. The Griz D has never been ranked particularly high nationally. It's been an average to slightly above average D for four seasons. Has it at times improved in some areas? Yes. But IMO, your continual crowing about TG and his abilities has been over the top compared to his results. Ty is your friend. Your unwavering support is admirable but you aren't looking at his performance thru totally disinterested eyes......

Jeez, yourself. There hasn't been hype about TG as DC or the defense. Stop inventing stuff.

I produce stats, but I have rarely said anything very positive about the defense. I defend it against incorrect and dumbass comments, some of which have come from you.

The stats actually show that UM's defense looks pretty good against comparable schools. You and people like you just refuse to look at stats, and try to make your (negative) points with general statements. The above stats comparing playoff teams reveal that the Griz D showed well against comparable competition. Some of the stats put the UM D at or near the top. Others put the D in the 10-16 category. Still good. And I think UM's D was better than NDSU in 7 of those categories. I hope you won't start saying NDSU has a bad defense.

The Griz D has stacked up pretty well in the Big Sky. Sometimes at the top; usually near the top. Often against some of the top offenses in FCS. Some believe TG may be the top DC in the conference.

This all against the backdrop of low TOP, a hurry up offense with many 3 and outs, and multiple bad starts after the O didn't pick up a 4th down or had a turnover. The defense showed well this year, and kept UM in multiple games this year. This is just not disputable, at least by anyone knowledge football person who is not biased.

Give it up. Almost no one is agreeing with you, and your bias is now getting know by most of the board.

 

[Ursa Major]

Fair enough. A man has to support his family so Ty's decision to leave is not up for judgement IMO. But the drama surrounding your love affair with him is......I can't wait for your egriz posts next season that pertain to Ty and the MSU defense. All the Statistical analysis of the Griz/Cat defensive output. You will certainly be one "torn" college football fan.....That'll be pure entertainment.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand friendships, and that you wouldn't support your friends. I doubt that I'll be following the Cats or their defense closely next year. I follow the Griz, Dartmouth and sometimes Stanford. Don't even follow FBS or the NFL much anymore, but enjoy the various games that I watch.

Jeez...Now I don't support my friends or understand friendships? C'mon PR. I get that you're friends with TG. I agree that he is a nice guy. I've met him a couple of times. But that doesn't make him a great DC. The simple fact is that the statistical performance of the Griz D under TG hasn't matched the hype. The Griz D has never been ranked particularly high nationally. It's been an average to slightly above average D for four seasons. Has it at times improved in some areas? Yes. But IMO, your continual crowing about TG and his abilities has been over the top compared to his results. Ty is your friend. Your unwavering support is admirable but you aren't looking at his performance thru totally disinterested eyes......

Jeez, yourself. There hasn't been hype about TG as DC or the defense. Stop inventing stuff.

I produce stats, but I have rarely said anything very positive about the defense. I defend it against incorrect and dumbass comments, some of which have come from you.

The stats actually show that UM's defense looks pretty good against comparable schools. You and people like you just refuse to look at stats, and try to make your (negative) points with general statements. The above stats comparing playoff teams reveal that the Griz D showed well against comparable competition. Some of the stats put the UM D at or near the top. Others put the D in the 10-16 category. Still good. And I think UM's D was better than NDSU in 7 of those categories. I hope you won't start saying NDSU has a bad defense.

The Griz D has stacked up pretty well in the Big Sky. Sometimes at the top; usually near the top. Often against some of the top offenses in FCS. Some believe TG may be the top DC in the conference.

This all against the backdrop of low TOP, a hurry up offense with many 3 and outs, and multiple bad starts after the O didn't pick up a 4th down or had a turnover. The defense showed well this year, and kept UM in multiple games this year. This is just not disputable, at least by anyone knowledge football person who is not biased.

Give it up. Almost no one is agreeing with you, and your bias is now getting know by most of the board.

The Griz D has stacked up pretty well in the Big Sky. Sometimes at the top; usually near the top. Often against some of the top offenses in FCS. Some believe TG may be the top DC in the conference.

Isn't that like being the prettiest Greek girl in your village with the slightest mustache?