Some 2015 Defensive Stats for Griz

[grizindabox]

I compiled the stats on the Sunday after the NDSU game. Just didn't get them written up. It wouldn't surprise me to see TG back with UM someday. And no matter what you say, TG was a very good coach and had become a good DC.

Facing a sudden loss can be difficult to cope with but grief counseling works......

Given how long ago your son didn't end up playing for the Griz, and your continued posting and dissing the defense and some coaches, perhaps you are the one who needs the counseling. I am excited for TG. He's excited about the new opportunity for him and his family.

What do you mean by the word, "excited?"

Well...he does have a life sized cardboard cutout of the man.....

 

[marceagfan5]

That means jack shit. You are just cherry picking stats to spin your argument. The Griz scoring d was 52nd overall for the season and that wasn't good enough. Look at NDSU and UNI which were both in the top 17th they were much better overall and it showed in the playoffs. Face it we were good but not great, and never were going to be with Gregory as coach. He's had enough time to build a great d here but never did. Our two titles came when we had great defenses. :roll:

The defensive stats are skewed in the Big Sky when compared to national rankings because the Big Sky has a lot of talented offensive teams that throw the ball a ton and put points on the board. If the Griz played in any other conference, their defensive numbers would be a lot better. If the two teams you list above, UNI and NDSU played in the Big Sky, their numbers would be worse...just look at who scored the most on NDSU this year, it was UM, just look at who scored the most on UNI this year, it was EWU.

 

[brewskis]

That means jack shit. You are just cherry picking stats to spin your argument. The Griz scoring d was 52nd overall for the season and that wasn't good enough. Look at NDSU and UNI which were both in the top 17th they were much better overall and it showed in the playoffs. Face it we were good but not great, and never were going to be with Gregory as coach. He's had enough time to build a great d here but never did. Our two titles came when we had great defenses. :roll:

The defensive stats are skewed in the Big Sky when compared to national rankings because the Big Sky has a lot of talented offensive teams that throw the ball a ton and put points on the board. If the Griz played in any other conference, their defensive numbers would be a lot better. If the two teams you list above, UNI and NDSU played in the Big Sky, their numbers would be worse...just look at who scored the most on NDSU this year, it was UM, just look at who scored the most on UNI this year, it was EWU.

I think UNI and NDSU's stats would be better because tHe Big Sky is just not that great.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Everybody mourns in different ways PR. You can crow all you want but TG ain't coming back....

I compiled the stats on the Sunday after the NDSU game. Just didn't get them written up. It wouldn't surprise me to see TG back with UM someday. And no matter what you say, TG was a very good coach and had become a good DC.

Facing a sudden loss can be difficult to cope with but grief counseling works......

Given how long ago your son didn't end up playing for the Griz, and your continued posting and dissing the defense and some coaches, perhaps you are the one who needs the counseling. I am excited for TG. He's excited about the new opportunity for him and his family.

Fair enough. A man has to support his family so Ty's decision to leave is not up for judgement IMO. But the drama surrounding your love affair with him is......I can't wait for your egriz posts next season that pertain to Ty and the MSU defense. All the Statistical analysis of the Griz/Cat defensive output. You will certainly be one "torn" college football fan.....That'll be pure entertainment.

 

[grizindabox]

I compiled the stats on the Sunday after the NDSU game. Just didn't get them written up. It wouldn't surprise me to see TG back with UM someday. And no matter what you say, TG was a very good coach and had become a good DC.

Facing a sudden loss can be difficult to cope with but grief counseling works......

Given how long ago your son didn't end up playing for the Griz, and your continued posting and dissing the defense and some coaches, perhaps you are the one who needs the counseling. I am excited for TG. He's excited about the new opportunity for him and his family.

Fair enough. A man has to support his family so Ty's decision to leave is not up for judgement IMO. But the drama surrounding your love affair with him is......I can't wait for your egriz posts next season that pertain to Ty and the MSU defense. All the Statistical analysis of the Griz/Cat defensive output. You will certainly be one "torn" college football fan.....That'll be pure entertainment.

Thing is....MSU could have hired a monkey as DC and the odds would suggest the defense would be better....I mean...could it be worse...but PR wouldn't allow that in his conversation since it would deflect from his "I told you so" moments.....

 

[EverettGriz]

I compiled the stats on the Sunday after the NDSU game. Just didn't get them written up. It wouldn't surprise me to see TG back with UM someday. And no matter what you say, TG was a very good coach and had become a good DC.

Facing a sudden loss can be difficult to cope with but grief counseling works......

Given how long ago your son didn't end up playing for the Griz, and your continued posting and dissing the defense and some coaches, perhaps you are the one who needs the counseling. I am excited for TG. He's excited about the new opportunity for him and his family.

What do you mean by the word, "excited?"

:lol: :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

I compiled the stats on the Sunday after the NDSU game. Just didn't get them written up. It wouldn't surprise me to see TG back with UM someday. And no matter what you say, TG was a very good coach and had become a good DC.

Facing a sudden loss can be difficult to cope with but grief counseling works......

Given how long ago your son didn't end up playing for the Griz, and your continued posting and dissing the defense and some coaches, perhaps you are the one who needs the counseling. I am excited for TG. He's excited about the new opportunity for him and his family.

Fair enough. A man has to support his family so Ty's decision to leave is not up for judgement IMO. But the drama surrounding your love affair with him is......I can't wait for your egriz posts next season that pertain to Ty and the MSU defense. All the Statistical analysis of the Griz/Cat defensive output. You will certainly be one "torn" college football fan.....That'll be pure entertainment.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand friendships, and that you wouldn't support your friends. I doubt that I'll be following the Cats or their defense closely next year. I follow the Griz, Dartmouth and sometimes Stanford. Don't even follow FBS or the NFL much anymore, but enjoy the various games that I watch.

 

[uofmman1122]

So many assumptions in your post, as well as opinions somehow represented as facts.

Some have suggested that Ty wasn't even acting as DC after a certain point in the season. If that's true, then we basically saw what the defense without Ty would look like for at least a few of the last weeks of the season. Seems it was at the very least about the same, if not slightly better (against better teams).

You go ahead and be worried for us, though, thanks.

Nope, there aren't a bunch of assumptions in my initial post. It is the actual defensive stats for playoff teams this year.

No, no opinions represented as facts.

It is not true that TG wasn't acting as the DC later in the season.

Sorry I didn't quote his gigantic post, but that was in reply to doc. Not you.

 

[PlayerRep]

So many assumptions in your post, as well as opinions somehow represented as facts.

Some have suggested that Ty wasn't even acting as DC after a certain point in the season. If that's true, then we basically saw what the defense without Ty would look like for at least a few of the last weeks of the season. Seems it was at the very least about the same, if not slightly better (against better teams).

You go ahead and be worried for us, though, thanks.

Nope, there aren't a bunch of assumptions in my initial post. It is the actual defensive stats for playoff teams this year.

No, no opinions represented as facts.

It is not true that TG wasn't acting as the DC later in the season.

Sorry I didn't quote his gigantic post, but that was in reply to doc. Not you.

Got it. My bad.

 

[UMGriz75]

So many assumptions in your post, as well as opinions somehow represented as facts.

Some have suggested that Ty wasn't even acting as DC after a certain point in the season. If that's true, then we basically saw what the defense without Ty would look like for at least a few of the last weeks of the season. Seems it was at the very least about the same, if not slightly better (against better teams)

"If" this was true, that Stitt had "taken over" the defense, it is not "slightly" better.

The average score of opponents during the last five games was 26.4. The average of the previous five games was 20.4. The defense "got worse" by nearly a full touchdown. If the last game authentically represents "Stitt," it is notable that is the highest scoring opponent offense of the season; the worst defensive performance by the Grizzlies. combined with the worst offensive performance of the season, all against a team playing its second string QB, that we had already beaten once before.

In your view, if that the team performance represents Stitt and how things would look "without Ty," are you claiming that the outcome is a harbinger or an anomaly of what to look for next year?

 

[Ursa Major]

So many assumptions in your post, as well as opinions somehow represented as facts.

Some have suggested that Ty wasn't even acting as DC after a certain point in the season. If that's true, then we basically saw what the defense without Ty would look like for at least a few of the last weeks of the season. Seems it was at the very least about the same, if not slightly better (against better teams)

"If" this was true, that Stitt had "taken over" the defense, it is not "slightly" better.

The average score of opponents during the last five games was 26.4. The average of the previous five games was 20.4. The defense "got worse" by nearly a full touchdown. If the last game authentically represents "Stitt," it is notable that is the highest scoring opponent offense of the season; the worst defensive performance by the Grizzlies. combined with the worst offensive performance of the season, all against a team playing its second string QB, that we had already beaten once before.

In your view, if that the team performance represents Stitt and how things would look "without Ty," are you claiming that the outcome is a harbinger or an anomaly of what to look for next year?

I have no idea if any of the reports of the defensive strategy being taken away from TG are true or not. I would think that you would have to control for the quality of the offenses the Griz faced in the final 5 games. Other than ISU, they faced two very proficient offenses in msu and ewu; and two playoff teams. One would think they are going to be statistically better teams than the other group of teams the Griz played. One of you guys with a lot of time on your hands can do the research. I feel dirty. I just paid ewu and msu compliments in the same sentence. I'm going to go get in a bathtub filled with bleach.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So many assumptions in your post, as well as opinions somehow represented as facts.

Some have suggested that Ty wasn't even acting as DC after a certain point in the season. If that's true, then we basically saw what the defense without Ty would look like for at least a few of the last weeks of the season. Seems it was at the very least about the same, if not slightly better (against better teams)

"If" this was true, that Stitt had "taken over" the defense, it is not "slightly" better.

The average score of opponents during the last five games was 26.4. The average of the previous five games was 20.4. The defense "got worse" by nearly a full touchdown. If the last game authentically represents "Stitt," it is notable that is the highest scoring opponent offense of the season; the worst defensive performance by the Grizzlies. combined with the worst offensive performance of the season, all against a team playing its second string QB, that we had already beaten once before.

In your view, if that the team performance represents Stitt and how things would look "without Ty," are you claiming that the outcome is a harbinger or an anomaly of what to look for next year?

Of course, outside of ISU, a team that only averaged 22.0 ppg, that stretch included a sting of probably the best offenses the Griz played. MSU averaged 41.9ppg, EWU 34.6 ppg, NDSU 34.9 ppg, and SDSU 28.4 ppg.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Aren't all stats "cherry-picked?" I mean, if you didn't "cherry-pick" your stats, wouldn't you have to include every conceivable stat on earth (or even every stat in the universe)? I don't know because I didn't take stats. Are there any stats majors who could answer these questions? If you could back up your answers with stats, that would be great. Thanks.

 

[Ursa Major]

Aren't all stats "cherry-picked?" I mean, if you didn't "cherry-pick" your stats, wouldn't you have to include every conceivable stat on earth (or even every stat in the universe)? I don't know because I didn't take stats. Are there any stats majors who could answer these questions? If you could back up your answers with stats, that would be great. Thanks.

And don't promise colorful charts and graphs if you're not going to deliver! I'm looking at the "Sucrosed" One!

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Aren't all stats "cherry-picked?" I mean, if you didn't "cherry-pick" your stats, wouldn't you have to include every conceivable stat on earth (or even every stat in the universe)? I don't know because I didn't take stats. Are there any stats majors who could answer these questions? If you could back up your answers with stats, that would be great. Thanks.

And don't promise colorful charts and graphs if you're not going to deliver! I'm looking at the "Sucrosed" One!

Duh!

 

[Ursa Major]

Aren't all stats "cherry-picked?" I mean, if you didn't "cherry-pick" your stats, wouldn't you have to include every conceivable stat on earth (or even every stat in the universe)? I don't know because I didn't take stats. Are there any stats majors who could answer these questions? If you could back up your answers with stats, that would be great. Thanks.

And don't promise colorful charts and graphs if you're not going to deliver! I'm looking at the "Sucrosed" One!

Duh!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[UMGriz75]

I have no idea if any of the reports of the defensive strategy being taken away from TG are true or not. I would think that you would have to control for the quality of the offenses the Griz faced in the final 5 games. Other than ISU, they faced two very proficient offenses in msu and ewu; and two playoff teams. One would think they are going to be statistically better teams than the other group of teams the Griz played.

I don't either, but I am trying to get opinions from those who say they do or think they do know.

If Stitt took over the defense at some point, the overall recent average of points is statistically significantly higher as scored by opponents.

If TG was still in charge, it is impressive that the "two very proficient offenses," EWU and MSU were held to 16 points for EWU, and for MSU to 14 points in the first half, just another 8 points in the third quarter, and then 13 points after Montana began substituting in the 4th Q, as well as SDSU at 17 points.

Stitt claimed unhappiness with the defense immediately after the Cal Poly game despite the defense holding Cal Poly to just 20. At the time it struck me as an odd criticism, considering it was the offense that had failed so miserably, in a home game, with a genius offense with his first string QB in place. I can recall only three other home games at Wash-Griz where the Griz scored less than 24 points, against genuinely good teams in those years, which Cal Poly was definitely "not."

"If" Stitt exerted more control of defense after mid-season, then PSU (35) and ISU (27) add to a relatively unfavorable second half season defensive effort precisely because of less proficient offenses achieving above-average results, even compared to late season and post-season opponents.

It was such a variable season, unrelated in many ways to who was QB, it's almost puzzling; and that extends to whether or not Ty was or was not the main DC in the second half of the season.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The United States used to be the greatest country on earth. Now we're not even in the top 7.

 

[UMGriz75]

Aren't all stats "cherry-picked?"

Generally, if someone doesn't like the conclusion, "the stats are cherry-picked!!"

My favorite on these threads was a casual discussion regarding Maken Simis's "stats" in one game compared to Brady and to Dakota Prukop, and naturally one of the "usual suspects" here, with his usual penchant for accuracy, denounced the Makena "stats" as "CHERRY PICKING!" presumably to offer some favorable comparison for Makena. When I pointed out that the stats were from Makena's worst game, and why I would pick those if I truly was trying to tip the scales, and I then asked how that would be "cherry picking" of course the usual suspect went silent, as is also "usual."

In most cases, "Cherry picking!" is an autonomic response by anyone who doesn't have any viable response otherwise.

 

[uofmman1122]

So many assumptions in your post, as well as opinions somehow represented as facts.

Some have suggested that Ty wasn't even acting as DC after a certain point in the season. If that's true, then we basically saw what the defense without Ty would look like for at least a few of the last weeks of the season. Seems it was at the very least about the same, if not slightly better (against better teams)

"If" this was true, that Stitt had "taken over" the defense, it is not "slightly" better.

The average score of opponents during the last five games was 26.4. The average of the previous five games was 20.4. The defense "got worse" by nearly a full touchdown. If the last game authentically represents "Stitt," it is notable that is the highest scoring opponent offense of the season; the worst defensive performance by the Grizzlies. combined with the worst offensive performance of the season, all against a team playing its second string QB, that we had already beaten once before.

In your view, if that the team performance represents Stitt and how things would look "without Ty," are you claiming that the outcome is a harbinger or an anomaly of what to look for next year?

Of course, outside of ISU, a team that only averaged 22.0 ppg, that stretch included a sting of probably the best offenses the Griz played. MSU averaged 41.9ppg, EWU 34.6 ppg, NDSU 34.9 ppg, and SDSU 28.4 ppg.

His numbers aren't even right, first of all, and it's convenient he cut off the first three games where our opponents averaged nearly 29 points per game.

Over the first 8 games our defensive points per game was 23.5.

After PSU, the average was 26.4 if you include the two pick sixes and the TD kickoff return against NDSU against the defense.

Without those, it's 22.4 ppg.

I don't know if the rumors about Ty losing his DC privileges after PSU are true or not, but if they are, at the worst you could say the new acting DC's defense put up similar numbers against better teams.

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