Since dead period...maybe hire coaches?

[Bear Axed]

 

[Triwest]

BS. You criticize every move you don't agree with, a tall order for someone who's not inside the tent, and has none of the facts behind the scene. Since you don't want to accept or understand or trust his methods, all you have is complaint and denigration. And absence of any self-reflection.

Thank you for your gratuitous and far ranging ad hominem attack.

And this has to do with the thread topic and Stitt's recruiting history of players and coaches at "Mines," how?

Do you think they are equal challenges?

Actually he did recruit solid players at Mines and had to reject some very good players who wanted to play for him but did not meet the requirements for the school. As far as coaches go he hired coaches that were very good teachers of the game. (For those on here who know who I am they know I have been in the coaching field a very long time.)

Coach Ash?

Never had to endure being a bobcat.

 

[Ursa Major]

Thank you for your gratuitous and far ranging ad hominem attack.

And this has to do with the thread topic and Stitt's recruiting history of players and coaches at "Mines," how?

Do you think they are equal challenges?

Actually he did recruit solid players at Mines and had to reject some very good players who wanted to play for him but did not meet the requirements for the school. As far as coaches go he hired coaches that were very good teachers of the game. (For those on here who know who I am they know I have been in the coaching field a very long time.)

Coach Ash?

Never had to endure being a bobcat.

:thumb: It however would be great to get Ron on here, especially 4 pinot's deep.

 

[UMGriz75]

75....so this isn't you implying that D2 level coaches...especially Stitt...have no idea how to succeed at FCS recruiting....

I specifically said the challenges are quite different. I did not say he has "no idea," I am saying he has been unable to recruit FCS level athletes in the past in his career for the obvious reason that he has never recruited FCS level athletes before. Frankly, I simply stated the obvious. What is interesting is how "the obvious" stirs such angry passions, and all those ad hominem attacks.

It may hurt your little feelings a bit, but that is simply a fact, unless he was secretly recruiting for FCS schools the past 15 years. You don't need to fabricate a whole case here; the facts are what the facts are.

And the facts are that Stitt could not even recruit any kind of typical RMAC football players because most of them (95%?) don't want to become, or don't have the academic skills, to become a mining engineer, including lacking an average ACT score of 30.

I'm saying "it's different." Other than your usual trolling, are you trying to claim "it's the same?"

Seriously? If so, why don't you expound in detail as to how you think it's "the same?"

Does that make you feel good about something .... or is it just more argument for argument's sake?

 

[UMGriz75]

Somehow our former "inexperienced coach" as far as "recruiting for FCS" with that level of experience got the Griz to two chippers, and won one of them.

And he did it with recruits recruited entirely by others. You did know that, didn't you? This year's team was an excellent bunch of athletes who deserve a lot of credit for what went right, and I would venture not much of the blame for what went wrong.

They are a great bunch of talented young men. Don't denigrate their achievements this year.

 

[grizindabox]

My premise is that 75's premise is pure poppycock......just because a D2 coach has not recruited FCS level athletes doesn't mean they can not recruit them at the FCS level.....you are flat out stating that no D2 coach has that ability....which is inherently wrong.......as for recruiting at CSM...they did have to recruit differently because of the academic factor...but that does not mean they are inexperienced at recruiting....they just had to pare down their prospects further.....it doesn't change the actual evaluation of football talent a kid has.....so it is different...but only because they have to reject more kids....not because football evaluation is different....

This post about your recruiting premise touches on what many people have stated....from a football perspective you have pretty much no clue what you are talking about....

I won't post about this further....because 75 will never waver from of his stubborn, less than knowledgeable premise....but he should really stick to the badminton board

out

 

[UMGriz75]

....you are flat out stating that no D2 coach has that ability....which is inherently wrong.......

Well, there you go; descending into just another outright lie. It is such a penchant for you, on thread after thread, I am amazed that the mods permit, perhaps even encourage it.

The "fact" is, I did not say that. I said the experience is quite different.

Too, this is all new. Stitt has never recruited before where he is able to actually recruit genuine football athletes from a large population pool. He's a first timer at all this.

I have never said that "first timers" can't succeed. Everyone is a "first timer" at it as some point in their career. However, I express caution that a "first timer" automatically -- for some reason -- might recruit the same as an experienced, successful FCS coach. Maybe he will; I am simply pointing to an irrefutable fact.

Please point to where I "flat out said that no D2 coach has that ability."

Your interpretation is as silly as your necessary premise; attempting to claim I said something I did not say and then attempt to justify it by a broad ad hominem attack with no factual content at all.

 

[grizindabox]

I am saying he has been unable to recruit FCS level athletes in the past in his career for the obvious reason that he has never recruited FCS level athletes before.

So this does not mean that a D2 coach can not recruit at the FCS level...it just means that Stitt can't....gotcha....

 

[UMGriz75]

I am saying he has been unable to recruit FCS level athletes in the past in his career for the obvious reason that he has never recruited FCS level athletes before.

So this does not mean that a D2 coach can not recruit at the FCS level...it just means that Stitt can't....gotcha....

Well, since your statement and my statement say two completely different things, I guess you will just bitterly cling to trying to say I said something I didn't say, because you can't seem to accept for the record what I actually did say. It's amazing how you go from thread to thread attempting to do this to any discussion.

You'd think the mods would do something ...

 

[astutegriz]

Wow, 75 is the most narcissistic poster I've ever read, which is impressive given the on-line competition. If you sit back and watch without emotion, disabilities like this are simply fascinating to observe.

I am intrigued. I look at a recruiting methodology and experience, and the responses consist of ad hominem attacks. Pull down your dresses girls and stop running in circles screaming. You know, "without emotion."

You win the award not on this thread, but on your entire body of work. Fascinating indeed.

 

[grizpack]

"He has been unable to recruit FCS level athletes in the past." Valid Statement.

He has never had to recruit FCS athletes in the past. Valid Statement.

 

[Umista]

75 I understand your points. I am glad you are a devout Griz fan and I enjoy reading your stuff. When I disagree with you I am dumb enough to stay silent and not rebut you.

At the end of the day I must think Stitt is doing the best he can and I'll keep that thought until he goes south.

During this silent quiet period I will continue to consume every drink known to mankind while I am snowbound in the Bitterroot and unable to sneak accross the boarder into Canada where many of my X-mas presents await my arrival.

My advice to 75? Keep doing what you do, continue but with more offense against teams we all dislike. I am still waiting for my gift...

 

[UMGriz75]

"He has been unable to recruit FCS level athletes in the past." Valid Statement.

He has never had to recruit FCS athletes in the past. Valid Statement.

Notably on point.

I had nothing to say about Stitt, per se. I was pointing to the unique circumstances of recruiting at a school like School of Mines, recruiting within a conference like Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference. School of Mines is practically unique, and must represent one of the smallest recruiting pools in college football. Is it a destination for good football players and assistant coaches? Well, compared to what? FCS? FBS? Chadron State?

There's nothing "wrong" with it, but because of its uniqueness, that background provides little experience level for a successful FCS team. It also provides little predictive power to predict depressing failure or limitless optimism. It simply is what it is, and it is recruiting and staffing at a level that is substantially different and more constrained than the current challenges at UM.

If anyone honestly disagrees with that, they have put the cart, far, far ahead of its horse.

That said, I am more comfortable with "experience levels" as predictors of success. UM went through its phases of elevating high school coaches to college football. Didn't work out well, in either football or basketball. Gene Carlson? Lou Rocheleau?

But, at a different level, Pat Kennedy? Joe Glenn? Bobby Hauck? But, there are plenty of success stories as well.

On the other hand, all college HC appointments nearly invariably elevate someone with lesser experience. Fact of life. The bell-shaped curve says that 10% of those will do outstandingly well, and 10% will be dismal failures, with the rest falling somewhere on the curve of "acceptable to unacceptable" for any given program.

Stitt presents as a smart guy. Time will tell.

 

[Umista]

Time, like in three years! If he does not perform well we fire the bastard....

If he comes close to winning all the marbles we give him a small raise.....and then 2 more years he moves on to 3.5 times what we pay. Twill be interesting to see how it all turns out.

 

[daGrizJ]

"He has been unable to recruit FCS level athletes in the past." Valid Statement.

He has never had to recruit FCS athletes in the past. Valid Statement.

Notably on point.

I had nothing to say about Stitt, per se. I was pointing to the unique circumstances of recruiting at a school like School of Mines, recruiting within a conference like Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference. School of Mines is practically unique, and must represent one of the smallest recruiting pools in college football. Is it a destination for good football players and assistant coaches? Well, compared to what? FCS? FBS? Chadron State?

There's nothing "wrong" with it, but because of its uniqueness, that background provides little experience level for a successful FCS team. It also provides little predictive power to predict depressing failure or limitless optimism. It simply is what it is, and it is recruiting and staffing at a level that is substantially different and more constrained than the current challenges at UM.

If anyone honestly disagrees with that, they have put the cart, far, far ahead of its horse.

That said, I am more comfortable with "experience levels" as predictors of success. UM went through its phases of elevating high school coaches to college football. Didn't work out well, in either football or basketball. Gene Carlson? Lou Rocheleau?

But, at a different level, Pat Kennedy? Joe Glenn? Bobby Hauck? But, there are plenty of success stories as well.

On the other hand, all college HC appointments nearly invariably elevate someone with lesser experience. Fact of life. The bell-shaped curve says that 10% of those will do outstandingly well, and 10% will be dismal failures, with the rest falling somewhere on the curve of "acceptable to unacceptable" for any given program.

Stitt presents as a smart guy. Time will tell.

This years recruiting class for Montana as been called "the best in the FCS" by people who actually write for sports journals. It seems to me Caoch Stitt has caught on fairly quickly.

 

[PlayerRep]

"He has been unable to recruit FCS level athletes in the past." Valid Statement.

He has never had to recruit FCS athletes in the past. Valid Statement.

Notably on point.

I had nothing to say about Stitt, per se. I was pointing to the unique circumstances of recruiting at a school like School of Mines, recruiting within a conference like Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference. School of Mines is practically unique, and must represent one of the smallest recruiting pools in college football. Is it a destination for good football players and assistant coaches? Well, compared to what? FCS? FBS? Chadron State?

There's nothing "wrong" with it, but because of its uniqueness, that background provides little experience level for a successful FCS team. It also provides little predictive power to predict depressing failure or limitless optimism. It simply is what it is, and it is recruiting and staffing at a level that is substantially different and more constrained than the current challenges at UM.

If anyone honestly disagrees with that, they have put the cart, far, far ahead of its horse.

That said, I am more comfortable with "experience levels" as predictors of success. UM went through its phases of elevating high school coaches to college football. Didn't work out well, in either football or basketball. Gene Carlson? Lou Rocheleau?

But, at a different level, Pat Kennedy? Joe Glenn? Bobby Hauck? But, there are plenty of success stories as well.

On the other hand, all college HC appointments nearly invariably elevate someone with lesser experience. Fact of life. The bell-shaped curve says that 10% of those will do outstandingly well, and 10% will be dismal failures, with the rest falling somewhere on the curve of "acceptable to unacceptable" for any given program.

Stitt presents as a smart guy. Time will tell.

This years recruiting class for Montana as been called "the best in the FCS" by people who actually write for sports journals. It seems to me Caoch Stitt has caught on fairly quickly.

Haha, real funny.

 

[daGrizJ]

Are you being sarcastic PR?

http://herosports.com/collegefootball/montana-recruiting-arguably-best-country-lands-fcs-1-commit-week/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=FCSFootball#

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you being sarcastic PR?

http://herosports.com/collegefootball/montana-recruiting-arguably-best-country-lands-fcs-1-commit-week/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=FCSFootball#

I had previously seen that article, and chuckled at it. Recruiting classes haven't even been announced yet. Coaches haven't spoken on any recruit, and can't. Recruiting will continue for 6 more weeks. Recruits will commit and de-commit. Just because a top o-line recruit and a few others have verballed, doesn't mean UM has the best recruiting class in FCS. Even after signing day, I take with a huge grain of salt the analysis of any recruiting class. They may look good on paper, but they need to prove it on the field. UM's classes look good every year. Some turn out to be good; some don't.

Personally, I think there aren't any good national "sportswriters" for FCS, and they don't have a clue about what's being recruiting in FCS. Any "sportswriter" who makes a headline statement like that one, indicates to me that he doesn't have a clue about recruiting.

 

[maroonandsilver]

If you guys were not so cheap, you could access e-Griz Club to view the probable coaching line-up.

 

[daGrizJ]

Are you being sarcastic PR?

http://herosports.com/collegefootball/montana-recruiting-arguably-best-country-lands-fcs-1-commit-week/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=FCSFootball#

I had previously seen that article, and chuckled at it. Recruiting classes haven't even been announced yet. Coaches haven't spoken on any recruit, and can't. Recruiting will continue for 6 more weeks. Recruits will commit and de-commit. Just because a top o-line recruit and a few others have verballed, doesn't mean UM has the best recruiting class in FCS. Even after signing day, I take with a huge grain of salt the analysis of any recruiting class. They may look good on paper, but they need to prove it on the field. UM's classes look good every year. Some turn out to be good; some don't.

Personally, I think there aren't any good national "sportswriters" for FCS, and they don't have a clue about what's being recruiting in FCS. Any "sportswriter" who makes a headline statement like that one, indicates to me that he doesn't have a clue about recruiting.

I understand and agree with all of that. The point is Griz75, was questioning Coach Stitt's experience to recruite at the FCS level. No matter what this class ends up being, this is still a testament to his achievement
so far.