selvig

[Growler1]

he is: an agile mobile seven footer, a legitimate outside threat that in any given game can lead the team in assists, points or rebounds. he's not: a bulky back-to-the basket post player. he's out of the european mold, not the montana tradition. he kept us in this game early, and disappeared only when the other guys got hot. his all-round skill was evident late in the game when he dribbled the ball up the court to break the press, and you had no fear at all of a seven-footer doing that. it's time for montana fans to start appreciating him for what he is, not what they want him to be. if you want a bona fide post player, go recruit one--or keep one in school. don't blame selvig.

Ci-tay, I could predict that you'd be starting a thread after this game telling what great skills Selvig possesses.

Where were you following the EWU game?

You guys are typical front-runners who gloat when you get a rare chance to try to prove your point. The problem is, you disappear when Selvig lays another egg, like he did in many games during the season.

I have only seen Derek play about 8-9 times in his career. But, it is very obvious that he has a decent game when he hits a couple of shots early, and then seems to shoot with confidence the rest of that game. However, if he misses a couple early, he becomes tentative, lacks confidence (and it shows on the court), and seems to allow that to effect all aspects of his game. He is a streaky player that can look very good at times, but will have you scratching your head at other times.

He is what he is. A team will live or die with his up and down games. Will be interesting to see how he performs in the NCAA.

you have only seen derek play 8-9 times in his career? are you serious? on here trying to prove ur point and you have only seen 8 or 9 griz games in the past 3 or 4 years...come on man u cant be serious.

How many times does a personal who has played the game, coached the game, and officiated the game have to see a player to know what that player's strong points and weak points are. How many times do you think athletes in football or basketball are scouted before they are drafted? I have seen enough of Selvig to be able to make valid observations about his skill set.

 

[Growler1]

You guys are typical front-runners who gloat when you get a rare chance to try to prove your point. The problem is, you disappear when Selvig lays another egg, like he did in many games during the season.

I have only seen Derek play about 8-9 times in his career. But, it is very obvious that he has a decent game when he hits a couple of shots early, and then seems to shoot with confidence the rest of that game. However, if he misses a couple early, he becomes tentative, lacks confidence (and it shows on the court), and seems to allow that to effect all aspects of his game. He is a streaky player that can look very good at times, but will have you scratching your head at other times.He is what he is. A team will live or die with his up and down games. Will be interesting to see how he performs in the NCAA.

You're a goddamned genius, Gump. You just described 95% of the college players in America. What you saw this year in Selvig was a guy who was able to understand his role and step back slightly as we witnessed the emergence of another great player in Kareem Jamar.

Find me another 7-footer in college who has a better 3-point stroke than Derek Selvig or is a better passer. Oh, and BTW, he led the team in rebounds per game (despite spending inordinate amounts of time AWAY from the basket) and collected 3 assists per game on top of averaging 9.2 ppg. Selvig got NO love from officials and was constantly in foul trouble, yet still managed double figures in points in 9 of 12 games down the stretch while shooting 15/32 (47%) from 3 point range.

He makes 71% of his FT's and 44% of his 3-pointers...he made 2 less 3-pointers this year in 150 LESS minutes, and had 5 MORE rebounds than last year despite the reduced minutes. With Cherry, Ward and Jamar he was not asked to score like last year and he understood that and accepted it. That's called being a TEAM player.

I'd take Selvig on my team ANY time. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Yeah, it must have been the officials who kept him down in his career. Those damned officials!

 

[Growler1]

he is: an agile mobile seven footer, a legitimate outside threat that in any given game can lead the team in assists, points or rebounds. he's not: a bulky back-to-the basket post player. he's out of the european mold, not the montana tradition. he kept us in this game early, and disappeared only when the other guys got hot. his all-round skill was evident late in the game when he dribbled the ball up the court to break the press, and you had no fear at all of a seven-footer doing that. it's time for montana fans to start appreciating him for what he is, not what they want him to be. if you want a bona fide post player, go recruit one--or keep one in school. don't blame selvig.

Ci-tay, I could predict that you'd be starting a thread after this game telling what great skills Selvig possesses.

Where were you following the EWU game?

Selvig played the best game that I had ever seen him play against Weber. I stated that fact in another thread. Just stop being a bandwagon fan every time this kid has a good game, because he tends to disappear in many games. It is the bandwagon B.S. and the hyperbole of Griz fans that I have a problem with.

i might ask you sunny, where were after his good games? or the game last night?

 

[becker2117]

he is: an agile mobile seven footer, a legitimate outside threat that in any given game can lead the team in assists, points or rebounds. he's not: a bulky back-to-the basket post player. he's out of the european mold, not the montana tradition. he kept us in this game early, and disappeared only when the other guys got hot. his all-round skill was evident late in the game when he dribbled the ball up the court to break the press, and you had no fear at all of a seven-footer doing that. it's time for montana fans to start appreciating him for what he is, not what they want him to be. if you want a bona fide post player, go recruit one--or keep one in school. don't blame selvig.

Ci-tay, I could predict that you'd be starting a thread after this game telling what great skills Selvig possesses.

Where were you following the EWU game?

You guys are typical front-runners who gloat when you get a rare chance to try to prove your point. The problem is, you disappear when Selvig lays another egg, like he did in many games during the season.

I have only seen Derek play about 8-9 times in his career. But, it is very obvious that he has a decent game when he hits a couple of shots early, and then seems to shoot with confidence the rest of that game. However, if he misses a couple early, he becomes tentative, lacks confidence (and it shows on the court), and seems to allow that to effect all aspects of his game. He is a streaky player that can look very good at times, but will have you scratching your head at other times.

He is what he is. A team will live or die with his up and down games. Will be interesting to see how he performs in the NCAA.

you have only seen derek play 8-9 times in his career? are you serious? on here trying to prove ur point and you have only seen 8 or 9 griz games in the past 3 or 4 years...come on man u cant be serious.

How many times does a personal who has played the game, coached the game, and officiated the game have to see a player to know what that player's strong points and weak points are. How many times do you think athletes in football or basketball are scouted before they are drafted? I have seen enough of Selvig to be able to make valid observations about his skill set.

honestly, i dont care what you think...because everybody who likes derek accepts him for the player he is, a roll player, nobody claims he is a star, derek plays a roll on this team and if u saw more than 3 games a year you would know that...the critics, like you, do not accept him and his roll on this team..you always state the obvious...he doesnt take over a game, he goes away if he isnt hot right away..

im just curious why u even post here when over the last 3 years you have watched an avg of 3 games a year....why even bother?...crazy how ur so objective, but is it hard to be objective when u have only watched 10% of the games over a 3-4 year span? How can u be sure what ur missing int he other 90% of the games? by looking at the box score? im just curious, maybe u can help me understand

 

[Growler1]

If I "state the obvious", why is it that most of you don't see what should be "obvious"? Talk in circles much, dude?

 

[becker2117]

If I "state the obvious", why is it that most of you don't see what should be "obvious"? Talk in circles much, dude?

yes, you state the obvious of a roll player...a guy who doesnt force the issue if he isnt feeling it..a guy who doesnt always look to put up shots, doesnt mind passing the ball, a senior willing to take the back seat when others are hot....derek is a ROLL player, and if you would just accept that and not expect him to put up 20 and 10 every night you might really enjoy watching the 2 or 3 games a year you actually take the time to watch

 

[becker2117]

growler, i could see how u could make that mistake with only seeing 3 games a year...hard to get a feel for a guys roll on the team if you dont watch the games...you see he is a 7 footer and has a good shot..so u just assume he should be a star....too bad u didnt get to see more games you might have enjoyed watching our team play..we are a very good team who doesnt rely on just one player. If u like i can share more about this team with you since u didnt get to see the games..im sure there are others who would take the time to do this for you too if you simply asked

 

[zengriz]

growler, i could see how u could make that mistake with only seeing 3 games a year...hard to get a feel for a guys roll on the team if you dont watch the games...you see he is a 7 footer and has a good shot..so u just assume he should be a star....too bad u didnt get to see more games you might have enjoyed watching our team play..we are a very good team who doesnt rely on just one player. If u like i can share more about this team with you since u didnt get to see the games..im sure there are others who would take the time to do this for you too if you simply asked

...we have...
...a winner...

... ...

 

[becker2117]

growler, i could see how u could make that mistake with only seeing 3 games a year...hard to get a feel for a guys roll on the team if you dont watch the games...you see he is a 7 footer and has a good shot..so u just assume he should be a star....too bad u didnt get to see more games you might have enjoyed watching our team play..we are a very good team who doesnt rely on just one player. If u like i can share more about this team with you since u didnt get to see the games..im sure there are others who would take the time to do this for you too if you simply asked

...we have...
...a winner...

... ...

all i know is if i was posting on a board, and claiming to have all this knowledge about a team and player, i would definatly omit the fact i have seen 8-9 games over the course of 3 or 4 years! :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

You're a goddamned genius, Gump. You just described 95% of the college players in America. What you saw this year in Selvig was a guy who was able to understand his role and step back slightly as we witnessed the emergence of another great player in Kareem Jamar.

Find me another 7-footer in college who has a better 3-point stroke than Derek Selvig or is a better passer. Oh, and BTW, he led the team in rebounds per game (despite spending inordinate amounts of time AWAY from the basket) and collected 3 assists per game on top of averaging 9.2 ppg. Selvig got NO love from officials and was constantly in foul trouble, yet still managed double figures in points in 9 of 12 games down the stretch while shooting 15/32 (47%) from 3 point range.

He makes 71% of his FT's and 44% of his 3-pointers...he made 2 less 3-pointers this year in 150 LESS minutes, and had 5 MORE rebounds than last year despite the reduced minutes. With Cherry, Ward and Jamar he was not asked to score like last year and he understood that and accepted it. That's called being a TEAM player.

I'd take Selvig on my team ANY time. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Yeah, it must have been the officials who kept him down in his career. Those damned officials!

Way to completely miss the point, jackass. :roll: :roll:

 

[becker2117]

You're a goddamned genius, Gump. You just described 95% of the college players in America. What you saw this year in Selvig was a guy who was able to understand his role and step back slightly as we witnessed the emergence of another great player in Kareem Jamar.

Find me another 7-footer in college who has a better 3-point stroke than Derek Selvig or is a better passer. Oh, and BTW, he led the team in rebounds per game (despite spending inordinate amounts of time AWAY from the basket) and collected 3 assists per game on top of averaging 9.2 ppg. Selvig got NO love from officials and was constantly in foul trouble, yet still managed double figures in points in 9 of 12 games down the stretch while shooting 15/32 (47%) from 3 point range.

He makes 71% of his FT's and 44% of his 3-pointers...he made 2 less 3-pointers this year in 150 LESS minutes, and had 5 MORE rebounds than last year despite the reduced minutes. With Cherry, Ward and Jamar he was not asked to score like last year and he understood that and accepted it. That's called being a TEAM player.

I'd take Selvig on my team ANY time. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Yeah, it must have been the officials who kept him down in his career. Those damned officials!

Way to completely miss the point, jackass. :roll: :roll:

dont bother, he will never get the point, how could he..he has watched 9 games in the past 3-4 years...there is no way he could get the point

 

[Growler1]

You're a goddamned genius, Gump. You just described 95% of the college players in America. What you saw this year in Selvig was a guy who was able to understand his role and step back slightly as we witnessed the emergence of another great player in Kareem Jamar.

Find me another 7-footer in college who has a better 3-point stroke than Derek Selvig or is a better passer. Oh, and BTW, he led the team in rebounds per game (despite spending inordinate amounts of time AWAY from the basket) and collected 3 assists per game on top of averaging 9.2 ppg. Selvig got NO love from officials and was constantly in foul trouble, yet still managed double figures in points in 9 of 12 games down the stretch while shooting 15/32 (47%) from 3 point range.

He makes 71% of his FT's and 44% of his 3-pointers...he made 2 less 3-pointers this year in 150 LESS minutes, and had 5 MORE rebounds than last year despite the reduced minutes. With Cherry, Ward and Jamar he was not asked to score like last year and he understood that and accepted it. That's called being a TEAM player.

I'd take Selvig on my team ANY time. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Yeah, it must have been the officials who kept him down in his career. Those damned officials!

Way to completely miss the point, jackass. :roll: :roll:

Uh, I got the point. You are just too dense to see that your "point" is not worth addressing. "jackass"??? Whoa, you hurt me so badly. Can't remember such pain sdince 8th grade.

 

[Growler1]

If I "state the obvious", why is it that most of you don't see what should be "obvious"? Talk in circles much, dude?

yes, you state the obvious of a roll player...a guy who doesnt force the issue if he isnt feeling it..a guy who doesnt always look to put up shots, doesnt mind passing the ball, a senior willing to take the back seat when others are hot....derek is a ROLL player, and if you would just accept that and not expect him to put up 20 and 10 every night you might really enjoy watching the 2 or 3 games a year you actually take the time to watch

ZZZZZZZZZZZ. Just accept the fact that you will never get it, and continue being a good little Griz fan. I have seen enough of Derek to totally understand his strenghts and weaknesses. You could watch him in 100 games and not know. It's O.K., there is nothing wrong with being a pedestrian fan. 90% of Griz fans are, so you will not feel pregnant.

 

[becker2117]

If I "state the obvious", why is it that most of you don't see what should be "obvious"? Talk in circles much, dude?

yes, you state the obvious of a roll player...a guy who doesnt force the issue if he isnt feeling it..a guy who doesnt always look to put up shots, doesnt mind passing the ball, a senior willing to take the back seat when others are hot....derek is a ROLL player, and if you would just accept that and not expect him to put up 20 and 10 every night you might really enjoy watching the 2 or 3 games a year you actually take the time to watch

ZZZZZZZZZZZ. Just accept the fact that you will never get it, and continue being a good little Griz fan. I have seen enough of Derek to totally understand his strenghts and weaknesses. You could watch him in 100 games and not know. It's O.K., there is nothing wrong with being a pedestrian fan. 90% of Griz fans are, so you will not feel pregnant.

If by "good little griz fan" you mean somebody that actually watches the games, yes growler...i will continue to do that...like i said if u tuned in to more than 3 games a year we could have this discussin in depth..but i dont see a point spending any more time trying to get through to a guy who watched 3 games, what is the point..u saw what you wanted to see out of derek, pry in a few bad games a year which happened to be the only ones u watched...then u saw the box scores and noticed his solid games werent 20 and 10 and u made up ur mind...good for u...watch some griz games next year, then maybe somebody will take u serious, but i doubt it

 

[AZGrizFan]

You're a goddamned genius, Gump. You just described 95% of the college players in America. What you saw this year in Selvig was a guy who was able to understand his role and step back slightly as we witnessed the emergence of another great player in Kareem Jamar.

Find me another 7-footer in college who has a better 3-point stroke than Derek Selvig or is a better passer. Oh, and BTW, he led the team in rebounds per game (despite spending inordinate amounts of time AWAY from the basket) and collected 3 assists per game on top of averaging 9.2 ppg. Selvig got NO love from officials and was constantly in foul trouble, yet still managed double figures in points in 9 of 12 games down the stretch while shooting 15/32 (47%) from 3 point range.

He makes 71% of his FT's and 44% of his 3-pointers...he made 2 less 3-pointers this year in 150 LESS minutes, and had 5 MORE rebounds than last year despite the reduced minutes. With Cherry, Ward and Jamar he was not asked to score like last year and he understood that and accepted it. That's called being a TEAM player.

I'd take Selvig on my team ANY time. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Yeah, it must have been the officials who kept him down in his career. Those damned officials!

Way to completely miss the point, jackass. :roll: :roll:

Uh, I got the point. You are just too dense to see that your "point" is not worth addressing.

If the only point you "got" out of all those FACTS was that you thought I was blaming the officials for your misperception of his ability/role, then the dense one in the room is you.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I have seen enough of Derek to totally understand his strenghts and weaknesses. You could watch him in 100 games and not know.

You ARE a goddamned genius, Gump!

You sound suspicously like playarape here.... :roll: :roll:

 

[becker2117]

Yeah, it must have been the officials who kept him down in his career. Those damned officials!

Way to completely miss the point, jackass. :roll: :roll:

Uh, I got the point. You are just too dense to see that your "point" is not worth addressing.

If the only point you "got" out of all those FACTS was that you thought I was blaming the officials for your misperception of his ability/role, then the dense one in the room is you.

it seems with growlers past ...his disaproval of derek is right on point...its when growler starts to agree with you, then you might take a step back and make sure what your saying makes sense

 

[Growler1]

You two are like a 2-ringed circus. Frick-n-Frack patting each other on the back for being so smart. LOL That's O.K. dudes, Pedestrian fans need to stick to their element.

Keep trying to use Derek's "role" with the team to compensate for a discussion on his abilities. For the record, the two have zero relevance.

 

[becker2117]

You two are like a 2-ringed circus. Frick-n-Frack patting each other on the back for being so smart. LOL That's O.K. dudes, Pedestrian fans need to stick to their element.

Keep trying use Derek's "role" with the team to compensate for a discussion on his abilities. For the record, the two have relevance.

just curious growler..did you watch the BSC championship game? or was that another one u missed? because FYI ward was solid but had 6 points in teh first half and u clamied he was the only reason we werent down by 15? if u didnt see the game why would u post something like that? and if you did see the game...well then your even more clueless than i thought

 

[Growler1]

You two are like a 2-ringed circus. Frick-n-Frack patting each other on the back for being so smart. LOL That's O.K. dudes, Pedestrian fans need to stick to their element.

Keep trying use Derek's "role" with the team to compensate for a discussion on his abilities. For the record, the two have relevance.

just curious growler..did you watch the BSC championship game? or was that another one u missed? because FYI ward was solid but had 6 points in teh first half and u clamied he was the only reason we werent down by 15? if u didnt see the game why would u post something like that? and if you did see the game...well then your even more clueless than i thought

Have you ever played high school BB or above? I think we already know the answer to that one. Watching BB does not mean you understand the game. I coached the game for 5 years. Quit focusing on minutia to try to discredit me. It is obvious that you can not evaluate strengths and weaknesses of players. Do you have a man-crush on Derek?