Second Guessing in Perspective

[bigforkgriz]

Taken from an article on Yahoo from the post-game interview with Nick Saban -

Saban was asked after the game about Miles' decision to go for a field goal to take the late lead instead of trying for a touchdown. He didn't seem to appreciate the question.

"The difference between what you have to do and what I have to do and what Les Miles has to do is that all our decisions are final, and we have to live with the consequences," Saban said. "Everybody else gets to second-guess everything we do, and everything we do that doesn't work, is a bad decision."

I am sure we all have opinions on what played out during the EWU game and we are entitled to those. However, I think we still have two games to go and two wins may extend the season. Before blasting the coaches or the players why don't we support the staff and team whole-heartedly until the season is officially over. Believe me I want to win as much as everyone on this board and am highly frustrated but this is still just a game not a life or death matter AND the team deserves full support.

Sabah is correct, but it still doesn't change my enjoyment as a fan. My viewing of a game is undoubtedly armchair. What else is there? I can no longer play. I am going to be second guessing until I die. That is what makes it enjoyable and maddening at the same time. This board would be dead in the water if everyone got on here and made no critical statements. It has absolutely nothing to do with supporting the team. No matter how critical a poster is they still can support the team. Fan=fanatic. I am sure this makes no sense to you and seems contradictory, but in my world it is perfectly sane.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Sometimes coaches make an occasional mistake and we as fans don't have to like it (see our board after Baldwin's gaffe at NAU that probably cost us the game). However, your current coaching staff has made a habit of poor coaching decisions. There's a track record established and it's likely not going to change until the head guy changes. As fans, each of you has the right to voice your opinion. It doesn't make someone less of a fan of the Griz because they're fed up with poor coaching.

The reality is UM could be scary good next year and after. They certainly have the talent. However, I don't see things being much different for you by maintaining the status quo as it relates to your coaching staff.

Just my two cents from the outside looking in...

Give us some examples of UM's "poor coaching decisions" that had any impact on a game. I'll start. The punt defense late in the UM game 2 years ago.

Two kickoffs in Greeley. Sorry, but you asked. I'd also add wide receiver covered by a linebacker yesterday on a touchdown pass. Linebacker loses that match up 90% of the time. It was a poor coaching decision. Again, I'm sorry but you asked.

2 kickoffs at UNC had absolutely no impact on the game. Linebackers end up getting stuck covering receivers not infrequently. It occurs when a certain offensive play/formation matches up poorly with the particular defense. It happens to every team and it always will. Gamboa was in great position to make the play. He ran a 10.51 in high school. He's probably faster than that receiver. Doubt that this rose to the level of a poor coaching decision, but don't know for sure. Will try to ask what occurred.

I agree with PR to a certain extent. It is difficult to determine if poor coaching decisions or poor player execution is the reason for a poor outcome. A fan could argue that TG's poor game planning has allowed Eastern to "blitzkrieg" the Griz D two years in a row. TG has done nothing to change his tatics. But the reality is that the Griz D just doesn't match up well with
Eastern's quick strike offense. Especially the Griz secondary. TG is working with the talent he has. Let's look at the Poly game. I think that loss fell a little more on TG's shoulders. Don't get me wrong. Poly had great athletes but TG didn't look like he adjusted one thing in trying to stop the fake FB dive QB follow. That play alone sunk the Griz D. The triple option is a read and react offense where the first read by the QB determines whether he'll go to the dive or not. The QB's first read is the DE. TG did not move personnel around at all. He didn't even attempt to. If the DE doesn't move more inside, that dive play will continue to be run. Poly ran both the FB dive and the fake FB dive QB follow all night long for big yardage without one single adjustment from TG. I won't even bring up the QB draw play. Yes the triple option can be difficult to defend but you can't just sit there as a DC and let the samething happen over and over again without attempting to change things up. After awhile, it becomes Delaney's problem for not stepping in. As the HC, he is ulitmately responsible. In addition, Delany's clock management skills are not that great. This Griz team had too many delay of game calls
Yesterday. The early burning of TOs was an issue too. Those type of SNAFUs fall directly on Delany's lap.

 

[monte is a character]

Give us some examples of UM's "poor coaching decisions" that had any impact on a game. I'll start. The punt defense late in the UM game 2 years ago.

Two kickoffs in Greeley. Sorry, but you asked. I'd also add wide receiver covered by a linebacker yesterday on a touchdown pass. Linebacker loses that match up 90% of the time. It was a poor coaching decision. Again, I'm sorry but you asked.

2 kickoffs at UNC had absolutely no impact on the game. Linebackers end up getting stuck covering receivers not infrequently. It occurs when a certain offensive play/formation matches up poorly with the particular defense. It happens to every team and it always will. Gamboa was in great position to make the play. He ran a 10.51 in high school. He's probably faster than that receiver. Doubt that this rose to the level of a poor coaching decision, but don't know for sure. Will try to ask what occurred.

I agree with PR to a certain extent. It is difficult to determine if poor coaching decisions or poor player execution is the reason for a poor outcome. A fan could argue that TG's poor game planning has allowed Eastern to "blitzkrieg" the Griz D two years in a row. TG has done nothing to change his tatics. But the reality is that the Griz D just doesn't match up well with
Eastern's quick strike offense. Especially the Griz secondary. TG is working with the talent he has. Let's look at the Poly game. I think that loss fell a little more on TG's shoulders. Don't get me wrong. Poly had great athletes but TG didn't look like he adjusted one thing in trying to stop the fake FB dive QB follow. That play alone sunk the Griz D. The triple option is a read and react offense where the first read by the QB determines whether he'll go to the dive or not. The QB's first read is the DE. TG did not move personnel around at all. He didn't even attempt to. If the DE doesn't move more inside, that dive play will continue to be run. Poly ran both the FB dive and the fake FB dive QB follow all night long for big yardage without one single adjustment from TG. I won't even bring up the QB draw play. Yes the triple option can be difficult to defend but you can't just sit there as a DC and let the samething happen over and over again without attempting to change things up. After awhile, it becomes Delaney's problem for not stepping in. As the HC, he is ulitmately responsible. In addition, Delany's clock management skills are not that great. This Griz team had too many delay of game calls
Yesterday. The early burning of TOs was an issue too. Those type of SNAFUs fall directly on Delany's lap.

We don't "match up well" with EWU's offense??? After our pummeling by Cal Poly, posters were writing that we "didn't match up well" with Poly's option game! Who do we match up well with, a Little Grizzly team?

I get so sick of the excuses for our team getting beat. Do you think North Dakota State worries about their defense matching up well to their opponent? Do you think Bobby Hauck, while coaching here, worried about how well we matched up? No. They DICTATE to the opponent, and let that opponent worry about how to match up with THEM!

That's what previous Griz teams did.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Two kickoffs in Greeley. Sorry, but you asked. I'd also add wide receiver covered by a linebacker yesterday on a touchdown pass. Linebacker loses that match up 90% of the time. It was a poor coaching decision. Again, I'm sorry but you asked.

2 kickoffs at UNC had absolutely no impact on the game. Linebackers end up getting stuck covering receivers not infrequently. It occurs when a certain offensive play/formation matches up poorly with the particular defense. It happens to every team and it always will. Gamboa was in great position to make the play. He ran a 10.51 in high school. He's probably faster than that receiver. Doubt that this rose to the level of a poor coaching decision, but don't know for sure. Will try to ask what occurred.

I agree with PR to a certain extent. It is difficult to determine if poor coaching decisions or poor player execution is the reason for a poor outcome. A fan could argue that TG's poor game planning has allowed Eastern to "blitzkrieg" the Griz D two years in a row. TG has done nothing to change his tatics. But the reality is that the Griz D just doesn't match up well with
Eastern's quick strike offense. Especially the Griz secondary. TG is working with the talent he has. Let's look at the Poly game. I think that loss fell a little more on TG's shoulders. Don't get me wrong. Poly had great athletes but TG didn't look like he adjusted one thing in trying to stop the fake FB dive QB follow. That play alone sunk the Griz D. The triple option is a read and react offense where the first read by the QB determines whether he'll go to the dive or not. The QB's first read is the DE. TG did not move personnel around at all. He didn't even attempt to. If the DE doesn't move more inside, that dive play will continue to be run. Poly ran both the FB dive and the fake FB dive QB follow all night long for big yardage without one single adjustment from TG. I won't even bring up the QB draw play. Yes the triple option can be difficult to defend but you can't just sit there as a DC and let the samething happen over and over again without attempting to change things up. After awhile, it becomes Delaney's problem for not stepping in. As the HC, he is ulitmately responsible. In addition, Delany's clock management skills are not that great. This Griz team had too many delay of game calls
Yesterday. The early burning of TOs was an issue too. Those type of SNAFUs fall directly on Delany's lap.

We don't "match up well" with EWU's offense??? After our pummeling by Cal Poly, posters were writing that we "didn't match up well" with Poly's option game! Who do we match up well with, a Little Grizzly team?

I get so sick of the excuses for our team getting beat. Do you think North Dakota State worries about their defense matching up well to their opponent? Do you think Bobby Hauck, while coaching here, worried about how well we matched up? No. They DICTATE to the opponent, and let that opponent worry about how to match up with THEM!

That's what previous Griz teams did.

I don't disagree with you. But are the Griz of the last three years less talented than the Griz teams of the past or are they just more poorly coached? It's a legitimate argument to have IMO.

 

[PlayerRep]

Sometimes coaches make an occasional mistake and we as fans don't have to like it (see our board after Baldwin's gaffe at NAU that probably cost us the game). However, your current coaching staff has made a habit of poor coaching decisions. There's a track record established and it's likely not going to change until the head guy changes. As fans, each of you has the right to voice your opinion. It doesn't make someone less of a fan of the Griz because they're fed up with poor coaching.

The reality is UM could be scary good next year and after. They certainly have the talent. However, I don't see things being much different for you by maintaining the status quo as it relates to your coaching staff.

Just my two cents from the outside looking in...

Give us some examples of UM's "poor coaching decisions" that had any impact on a game. I'll start. The punt defense late in the UM game 2 years ago.

Two kickoffs in Greeley. Sorry, but you asked. I'd also add wide receiver covered by a linebacker yesterday on a touchdown pass. Linebacker loses that match up 90% of the time. It was a poor coaching decision. Again, I'm sorry but you asked.

2 kickoffs at UNC had absolutely no impact on the game. Linebackers end up getting stuck covering receivers not infrequently. It occurs when a certain offensive play/formation matches up poorly with the particular defense. It happens to every team and it always will. Gamboa was in great position to make the play. He ran a 10.51 in high school. He's probably faster than that receiver. Doubt that this rose to the level of a poor coaching decision, but don't know for sure. Will try to ask what occurred.

EWU went to 5 wide. UM was in man blitz. 5th receiver was on Gamboa's side. He took the receiver instead of blitzing. Another backer did the blitz. Receiver went long. Gamboa was right with him. Pass was good but lucky, as it fell in low and to the side, and landed in the receivers left hand (and he made a nice one-handed catch).

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Alpha, when did they let you out? I did have the money for bail but never got the call.

"I" post on here as much as "I" always have. Thanks for the bail money it may come in handy soon.

ITS ALIVE>>>>!!!!!!!!!!

 

[garizzalies]

Give us some examples of UM's "poor coaching decisions" that had any impact on a game. I'll start. The punt defense late in the UM game 2 years ago.

Two kickoffs in Greeley. Sorry, but you asked. I'd also add wide receiver covered by a linebacker yesterday on a touchdown pass. Linebacker loses that match up 90% of the time. It was a poor coaching decision. Again, I'm sorry but you asked.

2 kickoffs at UNC had absolutely no impact on the game. Linebackers end up getting stuck covering receivers not infrequently. It occurs when a certain offensive play/formation matches up poorly with the particular defense. It happens to every team and it always will. Gamboa was in great position to make the play. He ran a 10.51 in high school. He's probably faster than that receiver. Doubt that this rose to the level of a poor coaching decision, but don't know for sure. Will try to ask what occurred.

EWU went to 5 wide. UM was in man blitz. 5th receiver was on Gamboa's side. He took the receiver instead of blitzing. Another backer did the blitz. Receiver went long. Gamboa was right with him. Pass was good but lucky, as it fell in low and to the side, and landed in the receivers left hand and he made a nice one-handed catch).

Can you ask if that was the same play (isolating the slot vs Will on a 9 route) that went for a td last year?

 

[PlayerRep]

Two kickoffs in Greeley. Sorry, but you asked. I'd also add wide receiver covered by a linebacker yesterday on a touchdown pass. Linebacker loses that match up 90% of the time. It was a poor coaching decision. Again, I'm sorry but you asked.

2 kickoffs at UNC had absolutely no impact on the game. Linebackers end up getting stuck covering receivers not infrequently. It occurs when a certain offensive play/formation matches up poorly with the particular defense. It happens to every team and it always will. Gamboa was in great position to make the play. He ran a 10.51 in high school. He's probably faster than that receiver. Doubt that this rose to the level of a poor coaching decision, but don't know for sure. Will try to ask what occurred.

EWU went to 5 wide. UM was in man blitz. 5th receiver was on Gamboa's side. He took the receiver instead of blitzing. Another backer did the blitz. Receiver went long. Gamboa was right with him. Pass was good but lucky, as it fell in low and to the side, and landed in the receivers left hand and he made a nice one-handed catch).

Can you ask if that was the same play (isolating the slot vs Will on a 9 route) that went for a td last year?

Almost positive it wasn't the same as the td last year, as I was told about the coverage/call last year and seem to recall that it was different from the one on Saturday.

 

[garizzalies]

Maybe not the same exact route but it was the same basic formation and theory (iso will) and problem (blitz)

 

[PlayerRep]

Maybe not the same exact route but it was the same basic formation and theory (iso will) and problem (blitz)

Blitzing has its pros and cons. When blitzes don't get to the qb, or cause pressure, there are fewer defenders and often defenders are on an island with no help.

 

[garizzalies]

That's the point--blitzing VA does not meet the risk/benefit analysis esp in that formation. I did like how they rushed 4 and used Gamboa as a spy. He got three sacks that way and there's not "fewer defenders." Too bad Baldwin will have a plan for that if we're lucky enough to meet them again

 

[PlayerRep]

That's the point--blitzing VA does not meet the risk/benefit analysis esp in that formation. I did like how they rushed 4 and used Gamboa as a spy. He got three sacks that way and there's not "fewer defenders." Too bad Baldwin will have a plan for that if we're lucky enough to meet them again

Gamboa was not the spy on Adams generally, but in certain passing formations, UM went to specific formation/defense, which put Gamboa in the middle and in position to spy on Adams. The game plan was not ncessarily set up specifically for Adams, as it was not know which qb would play. I think Gamboa may be be blitzing on one or more of the sacks, but yes Gamboa used his speed to go after Adams on one or more of the sacks. I re-looked at the game, and saw that you were at least partially correct in what you said.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

That's the point--blitzing VA does not meet the risk/benefit analysis esp in that formation. I did like how they rushed 4 and used Gamboa as a spy. He got three sacks that way and there's not "fewer defenders." Too bad Baldwin will have a plan for that if we're lucky enough to meet them again

It's pretty obvious that by "fewer defenders" he meant fewer pass defenders. Which is kind of a sure thing with a blitz. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this on my end.

 

[PlayerRep]

That's the point--blitzing VA does not meet the risk/benefit analysis esp in that formation. I did like how they rushed 4 and used Gamboa as a spy. He got three sacks that way and there's not "fewer defenders." Too bad Baldwin will have a plan for that if we're lucky enough to meet them again

It's pretty obvious that by "fewer defenders" he meant fewer pass defenders. Which is kind of a sure thing with a blitz. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this on my end.

Normally, teams only have fewer defenders, by gari's def, when there are less than 11 on the field.

 

[garizzalies]

Huh?