Oldschoolhornet said:Feel free to ask Bobby if he considers SAC a rivalry game after losing to them three times in a row.
CatsRback said:Wow… and I thought I was the problem. This site is on auto-pilot stupid.
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ilovethecats said:Oldschoolhornet said:Rivalry…definition…competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field.
You guys are correct. Since the Griz haven’t been competitive with SAC in the Bobby 2.0 era this game can’t be considered a rivalry.
Even if the Griz can find a way to win this November they will be 1-3. RTD.
I'm sorry, but that is just dumb. If we're going to pretend that is truly the definition of rivalry in sports, then every single team is a rival of every single team. Are not both teams in every single contest competing for the same objective and superiority on the field? Winning? Just doesn't make sense.
Griz have one single rivalry. They have the upper hand overall, Cats have the upper hand recently.
mthoopsfan said:ilovethecats said:I'm sorry, but that is just dumb. If we're going to pretend that is truly the definition of rivalry in sports, then every single team is a rival of every single team. Are not both teams in every single contest competing for the same objective and superiority on the field? Winning? Just doesn't make sense.
Griz have one single rivalry. They have the upper hand overall, Cats have the upper hand recently.
A good post for someone from MSdUi. Ha.
Da Boyz Mom said:CatsRback said:Wow… and I thought I was the problem. This site is on auto-pilot stupid.
#ReturnToDoormat
What else do you expect? You and your cronies spend all your free time on your rivals message board and constantly stir the pot and you expect that Griz fans will just lay down and die? We're fans. We're going to keep being fans even if our team sucks. But the reality is our team doesn't suck. Are we where we want to be? Of course not. But you and your compatriots just want to constantly stir up crap and then somehow act like you're the victims. Good Lord it's annoying.
CatsRback said:Da Boyz Mom said:What else do you expect? You and your cronies spend all your free time on your rivals message board and constantly stir the pot and you expect that Griz fans will just lay down and die? We're fans. We're going to keep being fans even if our team sucks. But the reality is our team doesn't suck. Are we where we want to be? Of course not. But you and your compatriots just want to constantly stir up crap and then somehow act like you're the victims. Good Lord it's annoying.
I don’t think I’m a victim at all. I actually just commented how I miss bwahl’s pregame threads which I throughly enjoy. Sometimes I come over here to see what’s new, yes I do like to keep tabs on what’s going on. Then I’ll see over half the threads are about MSU. I’ve made playful bets with Alabama gris and Elrod. Sure, sometimes the pot is stirred, but sometimes I’m gone weeks at a time and I’ll return to see dumpster fire threads that have nearly zero or even zero cat fan interactions that mods toss out because you all fling crap at each other. Trolls are not the problem… You/ egris posters are not the victim either, as much as you’d like to believe.
CatsRback said:"... threads that have nearly zero or even zero cat fan interactions..."
Da Boyz Mom said:CatsRback said:Wow… and I thought I was the problem. This site is on auto-pilot stupid.
#ReturnToDoormat
What else do you expect? You and your cronies spend all your free time on your rivals message board and constantly stir the pot and you expect that Griz fans will just lay down and die? We're fans. We're going to keep being fans even if our team sucks. But the reality is our team doesn't suck. Are we where we want to be? Of course not. But you and your compatriots just want to constantly stir up crap and then somehow act like you're the victims. Good Lord it's annoying.
Da Boyz Mom said:CatsRback said:I don’t think I’m a victim at all. I actually just commented how I miss bwahl’s pregame threads which I throughly enjoy. Sometimes I come over here to see what’s new, yes I do like to keep tabs on what’s going on. Then I’ll see over half the threads are about MSU. I’ve made playful bets with Alabama gris and Elrod. Sure, sometimes the pot is stirred, but sometimes I’m gone weeks at a time and I’ll return to see dumpster fire threads that have nearly zero or even zero cat fan interactions that mods toss out because you all fling crap at each other. Trolls are not the problem… You/ egris posters are not the victim either, as much as you’d like to believe.
And? Why does it matter so much to you what the fans of your rival do on their own board? How many Griz fans spend all their time on bobcat Nation complaining about what cat fans are saying? If you don't like it go away.
CatsRback said:Da Boyz Mom said:And? Why does it matter so much to you what the fans of your rival do on their own board? How many Griz fans spend all their time on bobcat Nation complaining about what cat fans are saying? If you don't like it go away.
No I love it here. It’s like a mini “Ripley’s believe it or not”. Some of the stuff I see here has me on the edge of my seat.
My point was simply that the cats don’t derail every thread on here like you or others want to believe.
mthoopsfan said:bigsky33 said:Hoops, I understand your points on the Cats. I am not disputing that. My post was just about looking at the Griz expectations from an outsider . I was always impressed with how fans had high expectations for their success. Like I said, the Griz lived up to them. My question is why does it seem expectations are lower now? I have read posts on here that they already have returned to dominance. I just don’t see that compared to earlier years when the Griz had that long streak. Calling them dominant now just doesn’t seem to compare with the dominance they had back then.
The Griz fans still have high expectations. I don't know if they are the same or lower now. In the glory days, I used to say that the Griz fans' expectations were too high and unrealistic, the fans didn't realize how good they had it, and the Griz would not stay on top forever.
The Griz fans know that going to or near the top doesn't occur overnight. Almost no FCS teams have every achieved that. We will see if NDSU can stay on it, as they have a challenger now. NDSU might be able to stay there. By the way, a former Griz player who worked with the athletic department at NDSU in the past half dozen or so years, told me that the program reminded him of Bobby's program. Said there were remarkable similarities.
Most of the current debate is over the progress Bobby has made. I and others believe the progress has been very good, and last year's slight dip, was a blip and due to Johnson's two injuries.
No one has said the Griz have returned to dominance except me, and I was mostly blowing smoke back at a Cat troll. But, as I wrote my posts, I realized that, but for last season, the team had gone towards the top very fast. At the end of 2021, the Griz were sitting good and just clobbered the Cats. I agree that the Griz, even at end of 2021, were not dominant like the old days. Of course, the Cats aren't dominant either, and never have been.
No one in Griz nation thinks that last year was okay. However, some of us understand the game well enough to be able to see most of what happened last year. This year's Griz team should be very good. Subject to how good the qb's are, and the couple holes that are still being filled. Besides transfers, there are younger guys in each of those holes.
The Cat running game is very good, and a bit unique, but it is not unstoppable (except for the Griz, ha). The overall offense is good too, especially with all the long pass jump balls there were successful last year. I still think there was some luck there. And the receiver making most of them is gone, I believe. Had Ifanse stayed, the offense would have been better. Ya, I know he was out most of last year, but he's a terrific rb. The Cat D has some weak players, and I've been told that by my coach friends (not Griz coaches). Your DC is not liked/respected by players, and doesn't even know the names of any but the best players. Calls them by number and not name. In your spring game, he was yelling at numbers.
poorgriz said:Da Boyz Mom said:What else do you expect? You and your cronies spend all your free time on your rivals message board and constantly stir the pot and you expect that Griz fans will just lay down and die? We're fans. We're going to keep being fans even if our team sucks. But the reality is our team doesn't suck. Are we where we want to be? Of course not. But you and your compatriots just want to constantly stir up crap and then somehow act like you're the victims. Good Lord it's annoying.
I'm not sure how long you've been a griz fan, but if it's been fairly recently - you might not understand the history. It's the best rivalry in the world, and fans on both sides are incredibly passionate. During the drought years for MSU, when the griz actually were dominant, most griz fans were so obnoxious about it as to literally be almost unbearable. It got really, really bad. So, not that the Cats are back on top again (Make no mistake... the Cats ARE back on top), some of us are just throwing stuff back a little. Blame it on years of pent up frustration. :lol: Is it childish and immature? Absolutely. Are we all going to keep pitching schitt back and forth? Absolutely!
As you were.
CatsRback said:Da Boyz Mom said:And? Why does it matter so much to you what the fans of your rival do on their own board? How many Griz fans spend all their time on bobcat Nation complaining about what cat fans are saying? If you don't like it go away.
No I love it here. It’s like a mini “Ripley’s believe it or not”. Some of the stuff I see here has me on the edge of my seat.
My point was simply that the cats don’t derail every thread on here like you or others want to believe.
poorgriz said:Da Boyz Mom said:What else do you expect? You and your cronies spend all your free time on your rivals message board and constantly stir the pot and you expect that Griz fans will just lay down and die? We're fans. We're going to keep being fans even if our team sucks. But the reality is our team doesn't suck. Are we where we want to be? Of course not. But you and your compatriots just want to constantly stir up crap and then somehow act like you're the victims. Good Lord it's annoying.
I'm not sure how long you've been a griz fan, but if it's been fairly recently - you might not understand the history. It's the best rivalry in the world, and fans on both sides are incredibly passionate. During the drought years for MSU, when the griz actually were dominant, most griz fans were so obnoxious about it as to literally be almost unbearable. It got really, really bad. So, not that the Cats are back on top again (Make no mistake... the Cats ARE back on top), some of us are just throwing stuff back a little. Blame it on years of pent up frustration. :lol: Is it childish and immature? Absolutely. Are we all going to keep pitching schitt back and forth? Absolutely!
As you were.
Da Boyz Mom said:CatsRback said:No I love it here. It’s like a mini “Ripley’s believe it or not”. Some of the stuff I see here has me on the edge of my seat.
My point was simply that the cats don’t derail every thread on here like you or others want to believe.
I never once said you derail every thread. You must have imagined that (and the part about half the threads being about the cats). I did say you were incredibly annoying. I stand by that.
Alaska Griz said:poorgriz said:I'm not sure how long you've been a griz fan, but if it's been fairly recently - you might not understand the history. It's the best rivalry in the world, and fans on both sides are incredibly passionate. During the drought years for MSU, when the griz actually were dominant, most griz fans were so obnoxious about it as to literally be almost unbearable. It got really, really bad. So, not that the Cats are back on top again (Make no mistake... the Cats ARE back on top), some of us are just throwing stuff back a little. Blame it on years of pent up frustration. :lol: Is it childish and immature? Absolutely. Are we all going to keep pitching schitt back and forth? Absolutely!
As you were.
You literally just repeat your same stupid poop day after day here and are a pathetic excuse for a person. The degree to which are affected by Grizzly football is bordering on psychosis.
bigsky33 said:mthoopsfan said:The Griz fans still have high expectations. I don't know if they are the same or lower now. In the glory days, I used to say that the Griz fans' expectations were too high and unrealistic, the fans didn't realize how good they had it, and the Griz would not stay on top forever.
The Griz fans know that going to or near the top doesn't occur overnight. Almost no FCS teams have every achieved that. We will see if NDSU can stay on it, as they have a challenger now. NDSU might be able to stay there. By the way, a former Griz player who worked with the athletic department at NDSU in the past half dozen or so years, told me that the program reminded him of Bobby's program. Said there were remarkable similarities.
Most of the current debate is over the progress Bobby has made. I and others believe the progress has been very good, and last year's slight dip, was a blip and due to Johnson's two injuries.
No one has said the Griz have returned to dominance except me, and I was mostly blowing smoke back at a Cat troll. But, as I wrote my posts, I realized that, but for last season, the team had gone towards the top very fast. At the end of 2021, the Griz were sitting good and just clobbered the Cats. I agree that the Griz, even at end of 2021, were not dominant like the old days. Of course, the Cats aren't dominant either, and never have been.
No one in Griz nation thinks that last year was okay. However, some of us understand the game well enough to be able to see most of what happened last year. This year's Griz team should be very good. Subject to how good the qb's are, and the couple holes that are still being filled. Besides transfers, there are younger guys in each of those holes.
The Cat running game is very good, and a bit unique, but it is not unstoppable (except for the Griz, ha). The overall offense is good too, especially with all the long pass jump balls there were successful last year. I still think there was some luck there. And the receiver making most of them is gone, I believe. Had Ifanse stayed, the offense would have been better. Ya, I know he was out most of last year, but he's a terrific rb. The Cat D has some weak players, and I've been told that by my coach friends (not Griz coaches). Your DC is not liked/respected by players, and doesn't even know the names of any but the best players. Calls them by number and not name. In your spring game, he was yelling at numbers.
Thanks for clarifying things Hoops. You make some good points. I do agree the Griz should do well this year especially with that schedule thatis similar to what the Cats had last year. I respectfully disagree a bit on your evaluation of the Cats. They are still loaded at RB that now includes a transfer from Wisconsin and a highly touted freshman out of Seattle. Couple them with Sumner, Elliot , Coon and Marquis Johnson and that is a solid group. They also brought on a couple of very good transfer WR. Also, I think the defense will be fine.
In any event, looking forward to an exciting season as it unfolds. We are fortunate to have two good teams here in Montana.
Alaska Griz said:poorgriz said:I'm not sure how long you've been a griz fan, but if it's been fairly recently - you might not understand the history. It's the best rivalry in the world, and fans on both sides are incredibly passionate. During the drought years for MSU, when the griz actually were dominant, most griz fans were so obnoxious about it as to literally be almost unbearable. It got really, really bad. So, not that the Cats are back on top again (Make no mistake... the Cats ARE back on top), some of us are just throwing stuff back a little. Blame it on years of pent up frustration. :lol: Is it childish and immature? Absolutely. Are we all going to keep pitching schitt back and forth? Absolutely!
As you were.
You literally just repeat your same stupid poop day after day here and are a pathetic excuse for a person. The degree to which you are affected by Grizzly football is bordering on psychosis.
poorgriz said:Da Boyz Mom said:What else do you expect? You and your cronies spend all your free time on your rivals message board and constantly stir the pot and you expect that Griz fans will just lay down and die? We're fans. We're going to keep being fans even if our team sucks. But the reality is our team doesn't suck. Are we where we want to be? Of course not. But you and your compatriots just want to constantly stir up crap and then somehow act like you're the victims. Good Lord it's annoying.
I'm not sure how long you've been a griz fan, but if it's been fairly recently - you might not understand the history. It's the best rivalry in the world, and fans on both sides are incredibly passionate. During the drought years for MSU, when the griz actually were dominant, most griz fans were so obnoxious about it as to literally be almost unbearable. It got really, really bad. So, not that the Cats are back on top again (Make no mistake... the Cats ARE back on top), some of us are just throwing stuff back a little. Blame it on years of pent up frustration. :lol: Is it childish and immature? Absolutely. Are we all going to keep pitching schitt back and forth? Absolutely!
As you were.